Plantation of Ireland.

Torq:

Just to make one thing clear - I DO NOT support the request of making Polish
the official language in Ireland. If you go to a foreign country you have to learn
their language and live according to their laws, because you're a guest. And if you
chose to stay permanently then even more you should learn the language and try
to integrate as much as possible into the culture and way of living of the host country.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:23 / #
Barney: The only new plantation is in your mind. Maybe its a poppy plantation ! He may be holucinating. could explain the whole thread to a tee.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 22:25 / #
RevokeNice: Polish community claim that there are up to 500,000 Poles here Links please. Until you provide them I will consider this a blatant lie. Hate to quote my own posts, but the point stays valid: Torq: And how do they know? You can only judge the number of Poles in Ireland by the number of PPS numbers issued and that's waaay below the ridiculous 500 thousand that you are talking about. Plus, a lot of people who received PPS numbers have already come back to Poland.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 22:27 / #
Ireland32 Importing up to 500,000 Poles, the majority of whom have no interest in Ireland or no interest in integrating with the Irish people is a plantation. It is moving one nationality into a country with the sole aim of setting up their own Polish areas, shops, social centres, and syphoning as much money as they can from the Irish state back to Poland or among their fellow Polish nationals. Torq The source is from the Polish media outlets in Ireland. http://www.krakowpost.com/article/665

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:33 / #
RevokeNice: Importing up to 500,000 Poles, the majority of whom have no interest in Ireland or no interest in integrating with the Irish people is a plantation. It is moving one nationality into a country with the sole aim of setting up their own Polish areas, shops, social centres, and syphoning as much money as they can from the Irish state back to Poland or among their fellow Polish nationals. As far as I know they have'nt burned us out of our homes, raped our women, stole our land and made us pay rent for the homes we built. Yeah they have some shops. Good on them. If they work hard and contribute, pay there rates, taxes etc then more power to them. There are irish bars all over the world. Arent you being a bit of a hypocrite here. What about the Chinese. There are more chinese takeaways in Ireland than Polish shops. There are more Pakistani clothes shops in Ireland than Polish shops in Ireland. what is your point?

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Jun 21, 09, 22:37 / #
Ireland32: Yeah they have some shops. Good on them. If they work hard and contribute, pay there rates, taxes etc then more power to them. There are irish bars all over the world. Arent you being a bit of a hypocrite here. i told him this earlier Ireland32: What about the Chinese. There are more chinese takeaways in Ireland than Polish shops. There are more Pakistani clothes shops in Ireland than Polish shops in Ireland. what is your point? Nail on the head, post of the night

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 22:39 / #
RevokeNice: The source is from the Polish media outlets in Ireland. http://www.krakowpost.com/article/665 "Different sources give different numbers, ranging from 170,000 according to the Polish Embassy in Dublin to 500,000 according to Polish media in Ireland." So, the Polish embassy, who has no exact data (because they don't gather it) but has insight into population and tax data in Poland and government agencies investigating the overall phenomenon of emigration, says 170000 (which still sounds a bit too high). On the other hand, some Polish organisations in local media claim that there are 500,000. You chose to believe the Polish organisations in Ireland, which would obviously always give higher numbers (in that case ridiculously high) in hope of having more influence, receiving more funds or getting a special status for Polish language in Ireland. You must see that you're not being sensible here. Just to make one thing clear - I DO NOT support the request of making Polish the official language in Ireland. If you go to a foreign country you have to learn their language and live according to their laws, because you're a guest. And if you chose to stay permanently then even more you should learn the language and try to integrate as much as possible into the culture and way of living of the host country.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:43 / #
Torq: I DO NOT support the request of making Polish the official language in Ireland Think you mean the third official language.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:43 / #
Ireland32: what is your point? His point is - Ireland for Irish! And is fair as long as he can win an election as I said #93

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jun 21, 09, 22:46 / #
Ireland32: Think you mean the third official language. Third, fourth, fifth - whatever. The idea is nonsense. There are two official languages in Ireland - your own Irish Gaelic and English that most of your people chose to speak over their native one. There's no reason to change that in my opinion. If you go to work in a foreign country, you should at least have a decency to learn how to speak their language. Simple as that.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:47 / #
PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2009-11,007 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2008-42,554 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2007-79,816 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2006-93,787 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2006-64,731 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2005-27,295 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2004- 3,828 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2003- 2,649 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2002- 2,259 PPS numbers issued to Poles in 2001- 570 Issued before 2001 - 9,564 That leaves us with 338,060 Poles issued with PPS numbers in Ireland. Now this does not take into account the number of Polish children in Ireland,stay at home partners, those working in the black market, parents or grandparents coming over to mind children, younger relatives etc etc. Source http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_2008.aspx My concern is about the number of Poles settling here. The definition of a plantation is as follows,An original settlement in a new country; a colony. That is what the Poles are doing in Ireland. The numbers speak for themselves.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Jun 21, 09, 23:11 / #
I think this is great. This is a defining notion within us, it unifies us Irish and Polish, our culture, our history, US :) I am serious, this edgit comes on and we all understand. I am very glad to be on this forum with my fellow Irish people who I agree with. So I thank you RevokeNice, you are the fool who strengthens our resolve. I am proud of ever person who speaks up against this. Ha, it is great to have it stirred, brilliant, get to the straight and narrow :)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07	Jun 21, 09, 23:14 / #
Poles are decent immigrants.Please send them to Greece to relieve us from Albos,pakis and scam rest.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 23:21 / #
I love this, it shows what real Irish and real Polish understand. This is great :) Goodness, I have been going about this forum all wrong ha ha ha But i will still continue to post my some what boring, posts. ha ha ha Ah we need you RevokeNice, you are the repugnant vile that binds us together.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jun 21, 09, 22:53 / #
RevokeNice: this does not take into account the number of Polish children in Ireland,stay at home partners, those working in the black market, parents or grandparents coming over to mind children, younger relatives etc etc. This does also not take into account the people who got their PPS numbers but are back home in Poland and do not plan to ever come back to Ireland (except for holidays every now and again - like myself :)). Anyway - if someone doesn't have a PPS number then he/she is not entitled to any social benefits, so most of the people you mentioned usually apply for PPS number.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:53 / #
Torq: If you go to work in a foreign country, you should at least have a decency to learn how to speak their language. Simple as that. I agree with you but for most people who have english as a first language....when we go to a foreign country......we expect the people to speak and understand english as the international language. Do you think this is right? I personally think it is good manners to have a basic knowledge of the language of the host country to which we visit.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Edited by: Nathan Jun 21, 09, 22:53 / #
Torq: Just to make one thing clear - I DO NOT support the request of making Polish the official language in Ireland. If you go to a foreign country you have to learn their language and live according to their laws, because you're a guest. And if you chose to stay permanently then even more you should learn the language and try to integrate as much as possible into the culture and way of living of the host country. This should be an unbreakable law in all countries of the world. If someone has a brain of a pea, unable to learn language of a country one moved into, or due to some disease or simple inability - just have politeness to sit quiet and munch your own language instead of imposing your letters on the nation you should be grateful to be visiting.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:56 / #
Torq I do not know. The numbers are all over the place. Children do not need PPS numbers, either do students. Your guess on the number of Poles here is as good as mine. 63,000? - From the census 170,000? -From the Polish embassy 200,000? -From the Minister of Integration 500,000? -From Polish media in Dublin. It is a ridiculous situation.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 22:57 / #
RevokeNice: My concern is about the number of Poles settling here. The definition of a plantation is as follows,An original settlement in a new country; a colony. That is what the Poles are doing in Ireland. So what of the Chinese, Pakistans, Indians etc. when do you anticipate they will have their colonies or planty thingys up and running. Should we start having sexual relationships with our relatives in an effort to breed all these folk out.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jun 21, 09, 23:00 / #
Ireland32: I personally think it is good manners to have a basic knowledge of the language of the host country to which we visit. My sentiments exactly. As for English being a modern lingua franca, it is a fact that no one today is questioning and in European countries the overwhelming majority of educated people speak English (at different levels of fluency, of course).

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:01 / #
Ireland32 If thats what you are into work away. I am happy enough with my Galway girl. The Poles are our largest minority, the numbers are unsustainable.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:07 / #
RevokeNice: If thats what you are into work away. I am happy enough with my Galway girl. So was the rugby team on Saturday night lol..... Ah lighten up will you for god sake. There is a more realistic chance of a United Ireland (and thats a while away) than a Polish Plantation.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 23:10 / #
RevokeNice: It is a ridiculous situation. Well, we finally have something we can agree on. We differ, however, on the ways of solving that situation. I would like to see all those people back in Poland, but I'm willing to wait as I am confident that an overwhelming majority of them will eventually come back home. You, on the other hand, would like to see them all "sent back", "deported" - whatever, as soon as possible, which is legally and practically impossible. You also seem to have a lot of contempt for my fellow compatriots who, according to you, are not worthy to live among "the great Irish nation", "are not wanted or needed in Ireland" blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada. Obviously, I do not take kindly to that kind of attitude BUT, seeing as we have similar ultimate goal - that is bringing the Poles back to Poland, I will give you a piece of advice: change your rhetoric - do not show open contempt and hatred to Polish people and it will make it much easier for you to finally reach your (our) goal.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:12 / #
Ireland32 When the current wave upon wave of Polish immigration ends and the majority go home, then and only then, will I be happy with immigration from Eastern Europe. It benefits nobody but big businesses, builders, and slum landlords. The Irish people pay the massive social costs while the rich make the profits. It cannot continue.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:12 / #
I'll trade you 15 million of our ILLEGAL Mexicans (in the U.S.) for 150,000 Poles. I'll throw in 4 Macedonians. Poles are pollinating in Ireland? What next, all of Britania? Maybe Greenland? Any Poles who are scamming the system should be thrown out. As guests they should be cordial and even grateful to the host country. Poles who are contributing to a country's economy should be welcomed. Simple as that.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:17 / #
Torq: are not worthy to live among "the great Irish nation Freedom, Justice, Peace & Equality. These are the foundations from which the Irish Republic was built. Equality for all the citizens of the Republic regardless of religion or culture but with one common goal. A Republic built by the people for the people.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 23:19 / #
Ireland32 Ireland32: A Republic built by the people for the people. Indeed, not for eastern europeans or 3rd worlders. Ireland for the Irish. Zimmy Many Mexicans are just returning to their ancestors land. Many could argue that they are indegenous, unlike yourself. ;)

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:19 / #
SeanBM: Ha, it is great to have it stirred, brilliant, get to the straight and narrow :) You really are enjoying this Sean

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jun 21, 09, 23:20 / #
Ireland32: Freedom, Justice, Peace & Equality. These are the foundations from which the Irish Republic was built. Equality for all the citizens of the Republic regardless of religion or culture but with one common goal. A Republic built by the people for the people. Sounds very sensible to me, but I bet there are some people in Ireland who would debate the "regardless of religion or culture" bit.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 23:22 / #
Torq Repatriate those who do not swear allegiance to the Irish state. Ireland for the Irish, not for London, Brussels, or Rome. SeanBM Are you drinking? Or having a breakdown?

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:22 / #
RevokeNice: Indeed, not for eastern europeans or 3rd worlders. Ireland for the Irish. Do not misquote me....An Irish Republic built by the people for the people........thankyou to the skills of many non Irish tradesmen who have help us on our way.....and for bringing us out of the 3rd world.