Plantation of Ireland.

Seanus:

Was never about religion? That's not true, it played a large part as your identification with a group was an identification with a religious denomination. Look at the Protestant Orangemen march. If it wasn't about religion, why did so many object?

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 23:24 / #
Ireland32 Mass Immigration from eastern europe started in 2005. The Celtic Tiger started in 1996. To link the two is absurd. The Poles came because of the boom, they had no involvement in creating it. Sinn Feiners: Brits Out Poles In!

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:28 / #
Torq: Sounds very sensible to me, but I bet there are some people in Ireland who would debate the "regardless of religion or culture" bit. The struggle in Ireland was never about religion. It is about reunification of the island.....the land that was taken from us by the British establishment. It was that same establishment that done what they did in every country they invaded....divide (through religion) and conquer. Unfortunately they suceeded and thus the sectarian divide was created. Heaveb forbid they might have let us live side by side.....we might have actually liked each other !!

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Jun 21, 09, 23:30 / #
RevokeNice: SeanBM Are you drink? Or having a breakdown? Ha! why do you ask?. Just because you are alone and have united us? this has nothing to do with me. But I do thank you for making us unite. I do not expect you to understand, as you seem to have a problem grasping the simplest of notions but anyway....

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:32 / #
RevokeNice: Many Mexicans are just returning to their ancestors land. Many could argue that they are indegenous, unlike yourself. ;) O yea, lots of indegenous Mexicans in Vermont or Illinois or even Kentucky. You are confusing, for example, Aztecs with the many assorted Amerindians who lived north of the Rio Grande River. You know, the ones who constantly attacked each other and displaced each other. Most Amerindians did not believe in the concept of land ownership except in the area of burial grounds. But those massive Irish immigrations displaced these Amerindians as well, right?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 21, 09, 23:32 / #
Was never about religion? That's not true, it played a large part as your identification with a group was an identification with a religious denomination. Look at the Protestant Orangemen march. If it wasn't about religion, why did so many object? Geographically, unification would be a nice thing but, again, identification plays a large part.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 23:33 / #
SeanBM Like you with spelling and grammar. You are traitor to the Irish people. You are a disgrace to every Irishman that has ever lived and those yet to be born. Selling out your people for a bit of foreign muff.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:33 / #
RevokeNice: Mass Immigration from eastern europe started in 2005. The Celtic Tiger started in 1996. To link the two is absurd. The Poles came because of the boom, they had no involvement in creating it. Sinn Feiners: Brits Out Poles In! I dont give 2 flying fecks when they came....look out your window. Look around you. When Paddy was lying in his bed scratching his ball bag, these people built the infrastructure that allows me to get to Dublin in 55 minutes. Go play a game of tig on the M50 will ya.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:35 / #
Ireland32 The M50 was built before 2005. Seriously, the Irish as a hard working as anybody. Another sell out for a bit of foreign muff. Castle Catholics, if you will.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Jun 21, 09, 23:36 / #
RevokeNice: Like you with spelling and grammar. You are traitor to the Irish people. You are a disgrace to every Irishman that has ever lived and those yet to be born. Selling out your people for a bit of foreign muff. Ha ha ha ha, that is what you fear, RevokeNice: RevokeNice: BritishEmpire Yes, they set up a campaign. As I said, its a plantation. everyone, with the exception of the so called "British empire" has disagreed with you. Ha ha ha ha, Plantation of Ireland.ha hahaha... Agian our strength is your weakness.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:37 / #
Seanus: Was never about religion? That's not true, it played a large part as your identification with a group was an identification with a religious denomination. Look at the Protestant Orangemen march. If it wasn't about religion, why did so many object? Purely a symptom of the conflict Seanus and you know that. These objections came long after the poisonous seeds were planted in the mind and still to this day have not been decommissioned. The struggle in Ireland was the love of the land, the country, self identity....religion was never it...sure look at the flag and its meaning !

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 23:42 / #
SeanBM Let us say you are off your head. Let us say you are a disgrace to every Irishman and women that has ever lived and those who are yet to be born. Let us say nobody refuted my claims that Poles are a drain on the economy(backed up with facts). Let us say we should scrap the free movement of labour and issue a work permit scheme. Let us say my work here is done. Let us say I have delved into the minds of my enemies and I now more than ever want Ireland free of them.

BarneyThreads: 14 Posts: 1,469 Joined: May 26, 08	Jun 21, 09, 23:44 / #
RevokeNice When are you going to post the Down's Syndrome picture?

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:47 / #
SeanBM It is very easy to turn the Irish against mass immigration from eastern europe. The facts speak for themselves. Ignore them if you will, but you cannot refute them. Recessions are like kryptonite to mass immigration. It is human nature.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:48 / #
Seanus: Tell me, Ireland32, do you feel there to be a major difference between a Protestant and a Catholic? Seanus, i live in the north for most my life up until 6 years ago. I lived in a catholic area, went to a catholic school, went to mass, catholic bars, clubs etc. That was the divide. Each to their own. If a stranger walked in you looked at them. When you walked down the street you looked over your shoulder. When you went to work you wondered was someone a protestant or catholic because at this point the divide broke. when I came to the south its the last thing on your mind. none of the above even come into play. You do not question religion or the beliefs of your neighbour or friend. That is why I will never live in north again. the mind set will never change up there.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 23:37 / #
SeanBM Your strength? What strength? The only reason you support mass immigration is because it was the only way you would get your rock and roll.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:39 / #
RevokeNice: The M50 was built before 2005. Seriously, the Irish as a hard working as anybody. I was on it yesterday. Its undergoing construction into 3 lanes over the last 2 years.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 23:39 / #
RevokeNice: The only reason you support mass immigration is because it was the only way you would get your rock and roll. Let us say you are not Irish. Let's say you do not understand Irish history. Let us say you are making us stronger. Let us say the truth.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 21, 09, 23:41 / #
Sorry, it played a major part. Look at Shankhill Road, the ideological divide between Catholics and Protestants. It was the subject of much discussion in Scotland as Rangers Vs Celtic debates sparked it. Religion is practised on the land, the country and forms self identity. Tell me, Ireland32, do you feel there to be a major difference between a Protestant and a Catholic?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Jun 21, 09, 23:45 / #
RevokeNice: Let us say you are off your head. Let us say you are a disgrace to every Irishman and women that has ever lived and those who are yet to be born. Apart from the multi personalities you have, I see NO "us" in those sentences, just hateful you :)

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 23:50 / #
RevokeNice: The facts speak for themselves. Ignore them if you will, but you cannot refute them. Recessions are like kryptonite to mass immigration. It is human nature. Irish, biggest nation of emigrants in the world. The funny thing is, you do not realise what a service you are doing. Until now the posters that have voiced their disgust at the hatred you spew have been singular, doing their thing and contributing to the forum. You have single handedly done what no one else could have, you have united us.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:51 / #
SeanBM It is a poxy internet forum of Poles and Irish traitors. Unite you? And what will you achieve?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 21, 09, 23:52 / #
So if you were to reunite the peoples of the north and of the south, problems would arise. Is that what is needed? As for the central debate here, Irish employers were filling vacancies in the market. If they are willing to supply jobs, the Poles are the demand. People deserve a chance and they don't have super options here for the most part.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 23:54 / #
RevokeNice: Unite you? And what will you achieve? You may say I am a dreamer, but I am not the only one :)

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:58 / #
SeanBM Look, happy, care to refute any of the facts I brought to this forum or are you just going to resort to personal attacks. If so, I will leave and return to gloat when welfare entitlements and access to our open labour marker are taken away from the accession states.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 21, 09, 23:59 / #
RevokeNice Gotta go, hope you meet a 'nice Polish girl' and have lots of Irish/Polish babies ...

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Jun 22, 09, 00:00 / #
Ireland32: these people built the infrastructure that allows me to get to Dublin in 55 minutes. Actually my old company who are British had a large part in the design and build of that nice little bit of infrastructure ;0) As for your point about the Brits dividing all of the countries they "invaded" by religion, I think you'll find the hindus and muslims had issues with each other before we came along (you might be interested to know that it was the muslims that wanted their own state, it wasnt a choice that the Brits made!), also where else did we divide countries by religion? I dont remember Australia having any problems ;0) RevokeNice: RevokeNice Should we send all of the Irish who are settled abroad back to Ireland? Your infrastructure would be in a bad way if that happened :0) (of course Im not suggesting for one moment that we should do that)

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 22, 09, 00:03 / #
RevokeNice: If so, I will leave Slan.......dont slam the door on your way out.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 22, 09, 00:04 / #
ShelleyS My quarrell is with mass immigration from Eastern Europe. I have no problem with others settling in Ireland at reasonable numbers. Tell you what, when you give is Northern Ireland back we can return the people you planted here as a swap for the Irish over in the UK, many of whom who emigrated there when Ireland was still part of the UK. Only fair. You cannot colonise half the world and complain when the natives decide to move to the UK. ZIMMY Never happen, my children will be Irish, not slavic. Ireland32 Your beloved parties support for mass immigration has caused it to slump and die in the south. Sinn Fein Brits Out Poles In!

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 22, 09, 00:05 / #
ShelleyS: As for your point about the Brits dividing all of the countries they "invaded" by religion They divided and conquered. In Irelands case it was division by religion. I did not state they divided by religion in every country they invaded.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 22, 09, 00:07 / #
They don't want to reunite, according to statistical data.