Poland continues to milk Ireland dry.

LukeXX:

Having said that, who is to blame for this except the Irish government? Other EU countries such as Germany put the EU directives on the free movement of labor on hold, because they were expecting Poles to move in in their millions. And that was of course not going to work.

LukeXX:

Why on earth do so many large corporations have their European headquarters in Ireland? Isn't that simply because of Ireland's low taxation and government incentives?
If Ireland have been implementing and promoting unfair competition towards the rest of Europe, it should not be the one to complain if now another country, Poland, is just does exactly the same.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 14:32 / #
Mister H: Posting on here will not get you far. Some will agree with you and some won't, but regardless of however many agree, nothing will change. I am here to get an opposing view. I could post on an Irish forum, but I would be preaching to the choir in the vatican! Mister H: Have you ever written to any of your elected representatives ? ok, it probably won't make a lot of difference, but you should still make the effort. Yes, I have also had letters printed in the newspapers. Mister H: Immigration will be the elephant in the room at the next election. Isnt it always, granted now more so than ever. Recessions and unemployment are like kryptonite to mass immigration.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	Aug 23, 09, 14:35 / #
RevokeNice: I am here to get an opposing view. I could post on an Irish forum, but I would be preaching to the choir in the vatican! Hmm. So you admit it.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 14:37 / #
PlasticPole: Hmm. So you admit it. Admit what?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Aug 23, 09, 14:44 / #
RevokeNice: I am here to get an opposing view. no your not. RevokeNice: I could post on an Irish forum, but I would be preaching to the choir in the vatican! You keep getting banned from the irish forum and have to rejoin using a new user name.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	Aug 23, 09, 14:54 / #
RevokeNice: Admit what? Here to get "opposing views" otherwise known as trolling. I am not here to get opposing views exclusively but to have what I hope are productive discussions.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 14:59 / #
PlasticPole: Here to get "opposing views" otherwise known as trolling. I am not here to get opposing views exclusively but to have what I hope are productive discussions. Bit of both, really. A lot of people on here claim mass immigration is a good thing. Yet, nobody can tell me why. Maybe you could?

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,868 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER	Aug 23, 09, 15:12 / #
oh well that's a bit hypocritic of her to say isn't it, if the immigration policies were tougher than maybe she herself wouldn't slip through the net? we're talking about people who sponge off the state.

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,868 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER	Aug 23, 09, 15:19 / #
RevokeNice: They laughed and say it would never happen. They wouldnt allow it. the borders are open so you Paddys can feel free to come and settle there. the Poles can't do anything about it. the bureaucracy, taxman and things like that might put you off though.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 15:29 / #
JustysiaS: the borders are open so you Paddys can feel free to come and settle there. the Poles can't do anything about it. the bureaucracy, taxman and things like that might put you off though. Maybe, or maybe the local skinheads would crack some Paddy's skull. Heres the stats. Poles in Ireland 200,000-250,000 Irish in Ireland 3,500,000 Poles in Poland 38,000,000 Now, the equivalent of mass immigration from Poland into Ireland, would be nearly every Irish citizen emigrating to Poland.

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Edited by: dtaylor5632 Aug 23, 09, 15:38 / #
RevokeNice: Heres the stats. Poles in Ireland 200,000-250,000 Irish in Ireland 3,500,000 Poles in Poland 38,000,000 Now, the equivalent of mass immigration from Poland into Ireland, would be nearly every Irish citizen emigrating to Poland. Oh not this bag of crap again...tut tut, how many times will u post the same thing? http://www.polishforums.com/polonia-uk-ireland-31/belfast-telegraph-wo nt-print-comment-36598/4/

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Edited by: Ireland32 Aug 23, 09, 16:39 / #
RevokeNice: Tax payer for all my adult life. You? I pay my 42% and 2% levy every month as is required under current income taxation laws in this country. You talk of your 'Ireland for the Irish'. what you ever done to further that aspiration? RevokeNice: You are some clown. Would rather be a clown than a bigot anyday. Clowns are handy at childrens parties. Bigots have no place in society. RevokeNice: Tell us who pays the bearded ones wages these days? As an elected representative (something neither you or your like will ever be) he is entitled to his wage.

AjbThreads: 12 Posts: 340 Joined: Jul 14, 08	Aug 23, 09, 18:50 / #
RevokeNice: RevokeNic Your a cock

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Aug 23, 09, 18:58 / #
RevokeNice: Why? Why? because without it we would stiil be living in caves,We all learn from each other, its called advancement. If you are going to give some garbage reply, without any content or substinance, please don't reply. Besides why don't you wage an all out war on your politicians, those are the ones that are "raping" your contry, far more that immigrants. Oh and whilst we are on the subject of rip-off merchants, your very own "flagship" Ryanair are doing a pretty good job of the modern day piracy!

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Aug 23, 09, 19:08 / #
lexi: Oh and whilst we are on the subject of rip-off merchants, your very own "flagship" Ryanair are doing a pretty good job of the modern day piracy! Did somebody put a gun to your head and make you fly with them? Our "flagship" airline is Aer Lingus, not RyanAir. As for the rest of your post, no valid points just balderdash. Typical.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 15:45 / #
dtaylor5632 I suggest you learn basic maths. Then move onto your ABCs. For every 100 Irish citizens in Ireland, there are 17.5 Poles in Ireland. That is a fact. Now for the equivalent of this to hold true, via Irish citizens emigrating to Poland. That would mean nearly every Irish citizen would have to emigrate to Poland to make up a similar ratio.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Aug 23, 09, 15:49 / #
"Poland continues to milk Ireland dry" Aaah, it's always nice to hear some good news :)

LukeXXThreads: 4 Posts: 77 Joined: Aug 15, 09	Edited by: LukeXX Aug 23, 09, 17:39 / #
RevokeNice: Now, the equivalent of mass immigration from Poland into Ireland, would be nearly every Irish citizen emigrating to Poland. Well, I'd agree the problem is not immigration but mass immigration, movements of people on a large scale. And the figures you quote make some sense. Having said that, who is to blame for this except the Irish government? Other EU countries such as Germany put the EU directives on the free movement of labor on hold, because they were expecting Poles to move in in their millions. And that was of course not going to work. There is always a need for immigrants because in industrialized countries some low skilled/paid jobs the locals just don't want to do. So the newcomers are doing the host country a good service. But in my opinion immigration is a blessing and does work only when it is very tightly controlled. RevokeNice: Dell left Ireland and relocated to Poland. This is really hypocritical. Why on earth do so many large corporations have their European headquarters in Ireland? Isn't that simply because of Ireland's low taxation and government incentives? If Ireland have been implementing and promoting unfair competition towards the rest of Europe, it should not be the one to complain if now another country, Poland, is just does exactly the same.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 18:21 / #
LukeXX: So the newcomers are doing the host country a good service. Myth. Tell me, who worked these jobs before mass immigration? LukeXX: Having said that, who is to blame for this except the Irish government? Other EU countries such as Germany put the EU directives on the free movement of labor on hold, because they were expecting Poles to move in in their millions. And that was of course not going to work. True, we should have issued a work permit scheme, such fears where labelled "racist". LukeXX: Why on earth do so many large corporations have their European headquarters in Ireland? Isn't that simply because of Ireland's low taxation and government incentives? If Ireland have been implementing and promoting unfair competition towards the rest of Europe, it should not be the one to complain if now another country, Poland, is just does exactly the same. Read my opening post. Ireland is paying Poland 50 million, look at the sweetner they are giving Dell. Ironic really.

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Aug 23, 09, 18:42 / #
LukeXX: Having said that, who is to blame for this except the Irish government? Other EU countries such as Germany put the EU directives on the free movement of labor on hold, because they were expecting Poles to move in in their millions. And that was of course not going to work Also other EU contries as well. I am all for multi-culuralism, however, it has to be controlled, as without control it benefits no-one and only leads to unrest and resentment. However the British government and their side-kicks are only interested in how much they can make out of expenses, rob the taxpayer blind before the next general election. Just look at the banking scandal and the bonuses they receive. Can you imagine a plumber going to do a job, totally f....s it up and the client saying oh well the bill was supposed to be £600 but here is £l000, not your fault. Not dissimilar to the Head of Hbos, totally F.....g up and then being given a large pension. Dosn't really matter how may plebs have lost their money, it was not his fault. Noone is accountable anymore for their actions. I bet the CO of HBos would not have been so thoughtless and risk-taking with his own money, infact he comes out "smelling of roses".

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 18:49 / #
lexi: I am all for multi-culuralism Why?

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Aug 23, 09, 19:20 / #
RevokeNice: Did somebody put a gun to your head and make you fly with them? No like everybody else who choose to fly with this bandit airline, we are short of cash and yes Mr O'leary milks this to the end, he is the one who should have the gun pressed to his head. His underhand practices are disgraceful to any law-abiding citizen. Brings it home to you dosen't it and Irishman ripping off his own!

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 19:30 / #
lexi: Brings it home to you dosen't it and Irishman ripping off his own! He is not ripping you off, he is providing a service. If you dont like it go elsewhere, it is rather simple. O'Leary is a cuunt by the way, his airline operate all the eastern european routes, thus making it easier for the capitalist scum to import more cheap labour from slav ville.

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Aug 23, 09, 19:41 / #
RevokeNice: He is not ripping you off, he is providing a service No he is providing a service whilst proceeding in ripping you off. He changes his policies without any form of advertisement, scales are rigged at the airport, and any complaints you have to use the premium line of £1 per minute, that's not ripping you off? Anyone out there don't use this airline, it is cheaper in the long run to use another budget airline, because, when Ryanair add on all the extras it is really no cheaper at all, and at least you avoid all the hasstle at the airport when you want to start your long earned holiday.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Aug 23, 09, 19:44 / #
lexi Fair enough, I have no love for RyanAir either. I use AerLingus. Unfortunately, they seem to be hiring a lot of foreigners these days too. I try and buy from Irish companies, that employ Irish citizens, whenever I can.

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Aug 23, 09, 19:50 / #
RevokeNice: Fair enough, I have no love for RyanAir either. I use AerLingus. Unfortunately, they seem to be hiring a lot of foreigners these days too. I try and buy from Irish companies, that employ Irish citizens, whenever I can. Fair play then, your are doing your bit for Ireland.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Aug 23, 09, 21:28 / #
lexi: Fair play then, your are doing your bit for Ireland. RN has never done anything for his country. He is a bigot and I am ashamed of his vile arrogant comments of this forum.

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Aug 23, 09, 21:35 / #
Ireland32: RN has never done anything for his country. He is a bigot and I am ashamed of his vile arrogant comments of this forum. I can equally understand this also.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Aug 23, 09, 21:48 / #
He is an armchair patriot who would rather poison the pages of this forum with his horse shite than get off his ass and work to change the policies that this government saw fit to implement. Change wont happen by insulting the people of this forum.

LukeXXThreads: 4 Posts: 77 Joined: Aug 15, 09	Edited by: LukeXX Aug 23, 09, 21:55 / #
RevokeNice: Read my opening post. Ireland is paying Poland 50 million, look at the sweetner they are giving Dell. Ironic really. He he. Well that would not surprise me. RevokeNice: Myth. Tell me, who worked these jobs before mass immigration? But that is just my point. As a country gets richer, there are very few of the local people around who are willing to take up the low paid low skilled jobs. That goes for cleaners, carers, factory workers etc. RevokeNice: lexi: I am all for multi-culuralism Why? Multi-culturalism is just another of those nice ideals that don't work in practice. Plus, it implies that the newcomers are all nice fellows who are willing to integrate and fit in into the new culture. Which is rarely the case.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Aug 23, 09, 22:03 / #
LukeXX: Myth. Tell me, who worked these jobs before mass immigration? The jobs were not there. Why you think we were immigrating to US, England and Aus. Jobs came with the celtic tiger. There were not enough people to fill them and thus they were filled with foreign nationals.......as this country encouraged.