Pole injured in RIRA's attack (Real-IRA)

Trevek:

Interesting. In 25 years there were no foreigners killed or hurt in the Provisional IRA's actions.

So far, the so-called "REAL-IRA" have had 2 major actions which have injured one foreigner (a Pole) and killed several (Spaniards in Omagh).

Can't they understand that pople are sick of it.

miranda	Edited by: Moderator Mar 9, 09, 12:10 / #
here is a whole article A Dublin-based newspaper has received a call supposedly from the Real IRA which claimed responsibility for the attack at Massereene army base. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7930995.stm I just found out from the Polish press that one of the pizza delivery man was Polish and in in critical condition.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 9, 09, 12:26 / #
Interesting. In 25 years there were no foreigners killed or hurt in the Provisional IRA's actions. So far, the so-called "REAL-IRA" have had 2 major actions which have injured one foreigner (a Pole) and killed several (Spaniards in Omagh). Can't they understand that pople are sick of it.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Mar 9, 09, 12:36 / #
Trevek: Interesting. In 25 years there were no foreigners killed or hurt in the Provisional IRA's actions. So far, the so-called "REAL-IRA" have had 2 major actions which have injured one foreigner (a Pole) and killed several (Spaniards in Omagh). Can't they understand that pople are sick of it. Sorry Travek does it matter if someone is foreign or not? The point is they don't give a shite, neither did the Provos.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 9, 09, 13:20 / #
Granted Shelley, I'm not exactly a fan of the Provos either. My point is that the Provos actually realised that there was no use in the armed struggle and they had the sense to take a better road. These people who claim to be "real" have shown themselves again and again as mere thugs who care even less about human life.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 9, 09, 13:24 / #
Calm heads are called for. Let us show ourselves to be above what is happening in Gaza. We can defy the laws of physics on this one, for every action a reaction. To fire back will only be to open a can of worms. Let this be an occasion to show how perseverance can pay off and that democracy and collaboration can shine through.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Mar 9, 09, 13:44 / #
Trevek: Granted Shelley, I'm not exactly a fan of the Provos either. My point is that the Provos actually realised that there was no use in the armed struggle and they had the sense to take a better road. Wrong, it was the Provos that planted incendiary devices in Manchester, in bushes which were planted to go off at 08:45am - this is a busy time in my city! I was trapped in a city which was cordened off for 12 hours!!!! http://chrisell.blogspot.com/2005/07/ira-for-historically-challenged.h tml http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE4DE173EF937A35751C 1A964958260&sec=&spon=

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 9, 09, 20:15 / #
Shelley, what I said was that the Provos realised after 25+ years that it was not going anywhere. I think they'd proved what they were capable of and what their commitment was when it came to killing people. Still, they did not 'target' foreigners. Tourists were not targetted (unlike in Basque regions or in Turkey). How the hell they never killed or injured any I don't know, considering some of the atrocities they did carry out, but they didn't (at least not in NI). The so-called "Real-IRA" not only managed to kill tourists but have now actually targetted a foreign worker because they say he was a 'colaborator' in a struggle he probably neither knew much about or cared about (and, indeed, is supposedly over). The fact people like Adams are condemning the act is significant. Just a point, I'm ex-army and have frinds and family who have either served or are serving in security in NI, so I'm not trying to make excuses for the Provos.

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,276 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Mar 9, 09, 20:21 / #
from... The News. pl The 32 year old Pole was shot when delivering food for the Domino Pizza delivery firm at the Massareene Army base, half an hour’s drive north from Belfast. The man and another delivery worker are in a “serious but stable condition’ say press reports.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Mar 9, 09, 20:29 / #
miranda: I just found out from the Polish press that one of the pizza delivery man was Polish and in in critical condition. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, just like anyone caught up in such terrible events. Awful.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Edited by: Ireland32 Mar 9, 09, 20:31 / #
As a member of Sinn Fein I condemn this attack and the people who carried it out. They have nothing to offer this country. They have no support in the community. I think this was quite obvious yesterday when the local catholic community paid their respects at the scene of the shooting after Mass.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 9, 09, 20:38 / #
I trust you mean "do not condone" or "condemn". It's good to hear that members of the Republican community do not support this. Thanks for this.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 9, 09, 20:44 / #
Trevek: It's good to hear that members of the Republican community do not support this. Thanks for this. The Republican community are committed to the achievement of a 32 county socialist republic, iclusive of all its peoples, by peaceful and democratic ways. We have demonstrated this over the last number of years and will continue to do so. My sympathy goes out to the families who lost loved ones yesterday and to those who were injured in the attack.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Mar 9, 09, 20:46 / #
My condolences to the familes also.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 9, 09, 20:48 / #
ragtime27: I believe Shawn realised that he made a fool of himself Doesnt take a genius to work that out.....it says 'edited' on top right hand corner of my post.....duh !

Shawn_H	Edited by: Shawn_H Mar 9, 09, 20:49 / #
ragtime27: I believe Shawn realised that he made a fool of himself I am quite capable of making a fool of myself, but not this time, thanks.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 9, 09, 20:50 / #
Thankyou Shawn

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Mar 9, 09, 20:51 / #
Ireland32: Doesnt take a genius to work that out.....it says 'edited' on top right hand corner of my post.....duh ! I missed that bit(to slow),i guess i jump t conclusion .....duh

Shawn_H	Mar 9, 09, 20:53 / #
Ireland32: Thankyou Shawn No problem.

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Mar 9, 09, 20:53 / #
Shawn_H: I am quite capable of making a fool of myself, but not this time, thanks. my apologise,i thought you're picking on him,come surprise to me after Ireland32 condemn the act.

Shawn_H	Mar 9, 09, 20:54 / #
ragtime27: my apologise No problem.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Mar 9, 09, 22:53 / #
There is a rumour that the IRA knew that there was a Pole there, and deliberately tried killing him. Is this true? Why are they issuing a warning to all Poles? Simple fierce nationalism, or are Poles becoming too involved somehow in other aspects of society?

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Edited by: szkotja2007 Mar 9, 09, 22:55 / #
During the time of the "troubles" the Paramilitaries made a lot of money from extortion and protection rackets. I'm wondering if these gangs still operate or has all this ceased?

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Mar 10, 09, 11:26 / #
Trevek: The so-called "Real-IRA" not only managed to kill tourists but have now actually targetted a foreign worker because they say he was a 'colaborator' in a struggle he probably neither knew much about or cared about (and, indeed, is supposedly over). He was delivering a pizza and got in the way again, the fact he was foreign had nothing to do with it, wrong time wrong place, he was not "targetted" Trevek: Still, they did not 'target' foreigners England and Ireland are multi-cultural places, it would be difficult to avoid killing a foreigner in a large town or city! They target civilians, if foreigners happen to be in the vicinity then that their bad luck same as it's bad luck for an English or Irish person! Trevek: The fact people like Adams are condemning the act is significant. Adams can do what he likes, he's still a scum bag! Filios1: There is a rumour that the IRA knew that there was a Pole there, and deliberately tried killing him. Is this true? Why are they issuing a warning to all Poles? Simple fierce nationalism, or are Poles becoming too involved somehow in other aspects of society? See my posts above, they're more interested in kills soliders not pizza boys, he was just in the wrong place!

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 10, 09, 12:00 / #
ShelleyS: He was delivering a pizza and got in the way again, the fact he was foreign had nothing to do with it, wrong time wrong place, he was not "targetted" I'm not saying he was targetted for being Polish. The gunmen apparently used the pizza delivery as a chance to carry out the shooting and therefore involved civilians, also allowing them to become targets. The fact that the RIRA attempt to excuse themselves by calling the pizza delivery guys "collaborators" with British rule just shows how pathetic and degraded they are. It also shows they were quite happy to kill (had it happened) the guys without checking who they were (or caring). http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090308/ap_on_re_eu/eu_northern_ireland

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 10, 09, 13:34 / #
Seems I've contradicted mself in the above posts, which Shelley has quite rightly picked up on. I didn't mean to suggest that the Polish guy was targetted for being Polish, I meant that as a civilian worker dealing with security forces he was regarded as a 'legitimate target' by RIRA... not because he was foreign. Apologies for the misunderstanding. My fault.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 10, 09, 18:35 / #
Can I just add that the RIRA and the CIRA do not support the current political process in Ireland. Unlike the PIRA who have shown leadership throughout the process and during political vacuums over recent years. The statement made by Martin McGuinness (Sinn Fein) today branded the people who carried this act out as 'Traitors'. I would also like to add that the Polish people in Ireland are an intrical part of the community here and as a previous post pointed out.......unfortunately he got caught up in the madness of these people.

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Mar 10, 09, 21:12 / #
My sympathy goes out to the families of the victims. Ireland32: Can I just add that the RIRA and the CIRA do not support the current political process in Ireland Do you think RIRA and CIRA have a large support amongst the people there? is RIRA and CIRA are working together now?

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 10, 09, 21:30 / #
CIRA and RIRA are pretty much as one. They have no support in the local communities here. The people of the North of Ireland are too used to the peace we now live in. Our children grow up in a different atmosphere than we did......I no one here wants them to experience the childhood we once had.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Mar 10, 09, 21:37 / #
Filios1: There is a rumour that the IRA knew that there was a Pole there, and deliberately tried killing him. Is this true? Why are they issuing a warning to all Poles? Simple fierce nationalism, or are Poles becoming too involved somehow in other aspects of society? I don't know of any rumours or threats made against Poles, they will just target anyone who gets in the way of them doing their "job". The local communities will grass these wimps up, I don't expect much trouble to continue.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Mar 10, 09, 21:40 / #
dtaylor: Filios1: There is a rumour that the IRA knew that there was a Pole there, and deliberately tried killing him. Is this true? Why are they issuing a warning to all Poles? Simple fierce nationalism, or are Poles becoming too involved somehow in other aspects of society? Thats ridiculous