Pole injured in RIRA's attack (Real-IRA)

Ireland32:

Guys Guys Guys....dont you get it......bring the SAS and the british soldiers back onto the streets of the North of Ireland is exactly what these people want.....they want an excuse for us to row behind them......history has taught us that. They have no support. their struggle is futile and their ranks are filled with people who cannot hold their piss !!

Remember that the greatest war in Ireland was the propoganda war.......by the look of some of these posts....we are heading that direction again.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 12, 09, 13:19 / #
What ever happened about the taxis? I remember hearing a lot of the black cabs were run by paramilitaries on both sides and would only work in the areas which they belonged to (Loyalist or Republican). One cabby told me that they operated as a bus service because buses didn't (couldn't) go into some of the outlying districts. Have bus services been restored or are the cabs still as big as they were. I don't recall seeing quite as many when I was studying in Belfast a few years ago.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Mar 12, 09, 15:28 / #
Ireland32: Guys Guys Guys....dont you get it......bring the SAS and the british soldiers back onto the streets of the North of Ireland is exactly what these people want.....they want an excuse for us to row behind them......history has taught us that. They have no support. their struggle is futile and their ranks are filled with people who cannot hold their piss !! Remember that the greatest war in Ireland was the propoganda war.......by the look of some of these posts....we are heading that direction again. The Police have stated categorically that they do not need the Army back on the street, so up to now things are be played well and not in to the hands of those that committed the murders. Looks like history did teach someone something.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 13, 09, 01:38 / #
Trevek: What ever happened about the taxis? I remember hearing a lot of the black cabs were run by paramilitaries on both sides and would only work in the areas which they belonged to (Loyalist or Republican). One cabby told me that they operated as a bus service because buses didn't (couldn't) go into some of the outlying districts. Have bus services been restored or are the cabs still as big as they were. I don't recall seeing quite as many when I was studying in Belfast a few years ago. Trevek.....alot of what you say here is true......the black taxi company set up as bus services in areas where public transport buses refused to go because they were hijacked and burnt out. People has no public transport so they provided that service. Normal service has restored over the last few years so the black taxis have deminished through time.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 13, 09, 09:39 / #
Ireland32: so the black taxis have deminished through time. Thanks. That's interesting. I assume the violence against drivers has also diminished? When I was at Queens one of the PhD students was researching Protestants who were learning the Irish language (he was teaching Irish, as well). Some of his students were middle class intellectuals but there were also working class prods, including some cabbies. One of th reasons the cabbies wanted to learn was so that they could understand if the passengers started speaking Irish and were plotting to attack them. It was explained about the violence on cabbies from both sides if they were near a border line area especially.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Mar 13, 09, 22:25 / #
Trevek: What ever happened about the taxis? Always did my head in how the taxi would only go so far and then you would have to get another taxi to take you further.

miranda	Mar 15, 09, 15:19 / #
I just found out that there are riots in Lurgan, NI as a result of some arrest.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 16, 09, 20:37 / #
miranda: I just found out that there are riots in Lurgan, NI as a result of some arrest. 9 people have been taken in for questioning over the murders. Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein has also been threatened with his life for attending the funeral of the deceased Police Man.

miranda	Mar 16, 09, 20:38 / #
Ireland32: 9 people have been taken in for questioning over the murders. Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein has also been threatened with his life for attending the funeral of the deceased Police Man. doesn't look promising at all.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 16, 09, 20:43 / #
miranda: doesn't look promising at all The majority of the people in Ireland will not tolerate the actions of these thugs.

miranda	Mar 16, 09, 20:55 / #
Ireland32: The majority of the people in Ireland will not tolerate the actions of these thugs. good to know.

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 21, 09, 06:28 / #
The only point I disagree with is saying that Fine Gael are corrupt. They haven't had a chance to be corrupt as they've not been in power for 20 years. Fianna Fail, on the other hand, are the downfall of Ireland. They will be put out in the wilderness for a long time soon please god. Its really going to be very interesting to see what will happen now. The UK is on the verge of bankruptcy. Scotland are looking for independence under the SNP. (a referendum was planned for 2010, but the RBS situation may have changed that somewhat)

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Mar 21, 09, 13:17 / #
dannyboy: Scotland are looking for independence under the SNP. Keeps gaining momentum - yippee! dannyboy: RBS situation may have changed that somewhat Not really, in the face of global collapse I dont see Ireland clamouring to get back to the bosom and security of mother England :-)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Mar 28, 09, 06:47 / #
szkotja2007: I dont see Ireland clamouring to get back to the bosom and security of mother England An England that doesn't want Ireland, especially the northern bit.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Mar 28, 09, 10:37 / #
Or tow it out into the Atlantic and off the continental shelf. I don't know how much British opinion gets heard in the Republic of Ireland, but I don't hear much opinion from there about the north. This group calls themselves the Real IRA. Why don't we call them the fake IRA? The actual IRA were bad enough, but... Dunno. Just lost interest in the whole thing before even finishing that sentence. Anyone got a fleet of tugs?

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Mar 17, 09, 00:10 / #
Ireland32: Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein has been threaten a few times...there not going to shoot him an u know it

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 28, 09, 09:21 / #
osiol: An England that doesn't want Ireland, especially the northern bit. I've met a few people in Ireland who don't want the northern bit either... A suggestion I heard a few times was "Chip it off and let it float away!"

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Mar 28, 09, 11:00 / #
Trevek: "Chip it off and let it float away!" osiol: Or tow it out into the Atlantic and off the continental shelf. I dislike when people talk about my country like this.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 28, 09, 13:25 / #
The IRA had a clear agenda. They were not granted what they had a legitimate claim too so they took matters into their own hands. I am not anti-IRA. Although I don't condone the bombing of innocent people, they had to make the government sit up and take notice. I don't profess to be an authority here but they were something like hobby reading for me. I was gonna do my dissertation on police brutality but I chose internment.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Mar 28, 09, 18:02 / #
SeanBM: I dislike when people talk about my country like this. Im with SeanBM on this one.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Mar 28, 09, 18:49 / #
Seanus: I am not anti-IRA your terror group of choice, any others? i.n.l.a, al qaeda,

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 28, 09, 18:54 / #
I understand their motives, that much I can say.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Mar 28, 09, 19:07 / #
how about the motives of the uvf or the uff?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 28, 09, 19:09 / #
Well, they believed the opposite. I can understand their remit too.

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Edited by: irishdeano Mar 28, 09, 23:47 / #
time means: your terror group of choice, any others? i.n.l.a, al qaeda The IRA were not a terror Group they were men fighting for there country for 100's of years. They were fighting a foreigner force on there land. Same as if England was taken over by the scotland tomorrow an scottish took control. The english would fight for there country back Im glad there is peace. Its best thing ever

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Edited by: Trevek Mar 29, 09, 10:07 / #
SeanBM: I dislike when people talk about my country like this. Sean and Ireland32, Of course you don't, nobody should. However I wasn't saying it myself, I was repeating things I'd heard in conversation with Irish citizens in the Republic and a number of people in the north. It was interesting to find that a number of people in RoI actually questioned whether the Troubles were worth it and whether or not they were just a blight on the reputation of the country. In UK/Britain there is/was often an idea that all the Irish in the south were rabid republicans who wanted to bomb any Brit they found. I was once buying a tent in England and commented it was for a hitch-hiking trip to Ireland. The guy went all serious and asked, "Aren't you worried? Is it safe?" As it was I rarely encountered any trouble (north or south) and people were actually often very helpful and concerned for my safety in some areas (where I shouldn't really have been). People were often happy to talk about the Troubles (they'd usually bring the subject up) and ask how people in Britain saw it all. Again, I'm not making a comment either way, just pointing out the fact that some people felt this way. Thankfully now more people are able to visit both countries without fear or danger (real or imaginary) and people are learning that communities both sides of the border have some wonderful, friendly people in them. I think this will help things along politically a lot more than shooting pizza delivery teams.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Mar 29, 09, 10:48 / #
Pole injured in RIRA's attack (Real-IRA) How is the Polish man who was shot?. Trevek: I wasn't saying it myself, I was repeating things I'd heard in conversation with Irish citizens in the Republic and a number of people in the north. I understand, yet what would you expect me to say?. I love my country and when people make such horrible comments about it (even if the information is just being passed on), I will state my disapproval. Trevek: In UK/Britain there is/was often an idea that all the Irish in the south were rabid republicans who wanted to bomb any Brit they found. I was once buying a tent in England and commented it was for a hitch-hiking trip to Ireland. The guy went all serious and asked, "Aren't you worried? Is it safe?" I have had many similar experiences in England and others directed at me. I was always astounded at the low level of people's knowledge about Ireland and what was going on. I am very happy the war is over.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Mar 29, 09, 14:38 / #
SeanBM: I understand, yet what would you expect me to say?. I understand totally and respect your reaction (just pointing out it isn't my own view). SeanBM: I was always astounded at the low level of people's knowledge about Ireland and what was going on. Yeah, it used to blow my mind... especially if I met some Irish Americans whose ideas seemed locked in some vision of "The Quiet Man" SeanBM: I am very happy the war is over. Likewise, I'm glad for my friends both sides of the border(s). I studied in Belfast and spent a good while hitch-hiking and playing music (and living) in the Republic.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Mar 29, 09, 14:45 / #
Trevek: Yeah, it used to blow my mind... especially if I met some Irish Americans whose ideas seemed locked in some vision of "The Quiet Man" Ha ha ha yeah, that is hillarious. Have you seen the latest Simpson's episode? . Trevek: Likewise, I'm glad for my friends both sides of the border(s). I studied in Belfast and spent a good while hitch-hiking and playing music (and living) in the Republic. Where are you from Trevek?. I thought you were English but I am afraid I have never met a person from England who has travelled extensively all over Ireland, it is a real pity. (or perhaps I don't meet enough people)

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Mar 29, 09, 14:47 / #
irishdeano: The IRA were not a terror Group lol yeah right. why were civillians targerted? irishdeano: foreigner force on there land How are serving soldiers of the udr (as it was then) foreign?

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08	Edited by: Trevek Mar 29, 09, 14:47 / #
I am from England, although part of my father's side of the family are Scottish. I finished with the army in 1986 (never served in the north) and dropped out, went to live in Galway and hitched around. There are/were quite a few English folk I met who knew Ireland intimately and loved her too. SeanBM: Have you seen the latest Simpson's episode? . haven't seen it. I look forward to it.