Poles claim UK benefits after working only one year instead of going home

PolskaDoll:

Don't quote per cents at me. Someone who may have only worked one day in their lives falls into your 99% of those who have had a job. They've still spent the rest of their lives scrounging. (That doesn't include the people who have been declared unfit to work and are legitimate).

glaswegians	Edited by: Administrator Apr 13, 09, 21:32 / #
British people have been paying national insurance for their whole lives, polish newcomers pay a pittance and ride out the recession on the british tax payers expense

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Apr 13, 09, 21:33 / #
Anybody else apart from noimagination buy the Daily Mail ?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 13, 09, 21:38 / #
Well, that's the fault of the system and not the Poles. The Polish system doesn't allow me to ride out the recession on the Polish taxpayers' expense. I pay my way and more. I get my own back by sometimes riding for free on public transport.

espanaThreads: 39 Posts: 2,200 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Edited by: espana Apr 13, 09, 21:40 / #
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169663/Credit-crunch-pushes-P oles-jobs-UK-benefits-system.html

derek trotterThreads: 12 Posts: 252 Joined: Apr 10, 09	Apr 13, 09, 21:47 / #
Thousands? don't read this crap, they stir conflict ( Daly Mail ) just like usual.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 13, 09, 22:45 / #
And it was the fault of the Poles that they lost their jobs? We all go through transitional phases and we can't live in a vacuum. Benefits should be seen as sth for transitory stages in our lives. Besides, the authorities monitor it more now under JSA.

glaswegians	Apr 13, 09, 22:50 / #
If I was living in a foreign country I would go HOME. Infact that foreign country would expect me to go home. The pittance in tax that the poles have paid for a few years pay does NOT cover JSA, Child Benefit, Housing Allowance, NHS, public services, council tax ommission, childs education (£5000 per child) etc. etc.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 13, 09, 22:58 / #
Well, we still clearly see them as assets and are willing to hold onto them. They just need to weather the storm and many need that money as they have put down roots.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Apr 13, 09, 22:59 / #
glaswegians: British people have been paying national insurance for their whole lives, SOME have. SOME have never paid a single penny. glaswegians: polish newcomers pay a pittance Well it's more than some British people are paying. If Polish people are paying a pittance then at least they are contributing something. So we'll keep the contributors and bounce out Dodgy Donna down the street because she's never paid a penny.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Apr 13, 09, 23:02 / #
The Poles are not tax dodgers as the bureaucratic penalties for evasion/avoidance are quite severe. The tax office is a feared institution here. I have to go there soon and submit my PIT :( Any non payments may be through a lack of familiarity with the system or negligence in not registering (though their employers will/should keep them right). Nobody's perfect.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Apr 13, 09, 23:10 / #
Seanus: Well, that's the fault of the system and not the Poles A young (15) girl is walking down the street wearing a mini skirt. Some old f*ck pervert rapes her. Do you believe we should blame her for wearing that mini skirt or him for raping her?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 13, 09, 23:14 / #
Don't you use your options in America or do you waiver your rights and entitlements away? :) Why not blame the mini-skirt manufacturers? ;) Causality and proximate cause n'all.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Edited by: freebird Apr 13, 09, 23:17 / #
Seanus: Why not blame the mini-skirt manufacturers? ;) Causality and proximate cause n'all. I like you, at least you're funny man, lol.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Apr 13, 09, 23:19 / #
espana: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169663/Credit-crunch-pushes-P oles-jobs-UK-benefits-system.html From the above article: "Ania Heasley, who runs an employment agency and advice service for eastern Europeans in London, said Polish workers were becoming 'very well-versed' in the UK benefits system, adding: 'People are now coming to me for advice on whether they are eligible to claim Jobseekers Allowance, which was unheard of six months ago.'" I bet they're becoming "very well-versed" ! The system is at fault, however, as it is too easy to exploit, by both foreigners and British people. However, if people seem content to live a pretty meagre existence on state hand-outs, then let them get on with it. You just never know when you might be the next one in the queue, so I'm reluctant to complain too much. However, if I was the next person in the queue to sign-on, I think hearing nothing but foreign jibber-jabber being spoken all around me would grate on my nerves. I've been paying NI and tax for almost 20 years, so it would annoy me for people receiving benefits when they have only paid in for around 12 months.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Apr 13, 09, 23:21 / #
That's the plan, Sir, that's the plan :) There's too much seriousness and hostility in the world :( You know, you could get into all kinds of lines of thought here. Some would say, with some grounds, that we owe the Poles for WWII and not honouring them properly. That kind of talk doesn't sit well with Brits but, hey, if they want blue-on-blue..... ;) The above to firebird :)

glaswegians	Apr 13, 09, 23:54 / #
PolskaDoll: SOME have. SOME have never paid a single penny. NO, most britons have. only less then 1% have never had a job.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Apr 14, 09, 00:07 / #
glaswegians: only less then 1% have never had a job. Don't quote per cents at me. Someone who may have only worked one day in their lives falls into your 99% of those who have had a job. They've still spent the rest of their lives scrounging. (That doesn't include the people who have been declared unfit to work and are legitimate).

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Apr 14, 09, 00:32 / #
glaswegians: NO, most britons have. only less then 1% have never had a job. Do you have something to back up those figures ? They sound very low. (A link to the BNP website doesn't count). PolskaDoll: Don't quote per cents at me. Someone who may have only worked one day in their lives falls into your 99% of those who have had a job. They've still spent the rest of their lives scrounging. Exactly, there are plenty of British boneheads claiming benefits that they probably don't deserve. The system as a whole is a shambles.

glaswegians	Apr 14, 09, 00:33 / #
PolskaDoll: Don't quote per cents at me. Someone who may have only worked one day in their lives falls into your 99% of those who have had a job. They've still spent the rest of their lives scrounging. (That doesn't include the people who have been declared unfit to work and are legitimate). The vast, vast majority of British people have been in employment all their lives, the number of people that have never had a job in britain is really tiny. Polish people should go to poland if they are unemployed not scrounging off of the british taxpayers and sucking out the honey from britannias breasts

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Edited by: PolskaDoll Apr 14, 09, 00:50 / #
Mister H: Exactly, there are plenty of British boneheads claiming benefits that they probably don't deserve. The system as a whole is a shambles. Exactly. Those so called "threatening" adverts the government came out with about cracking down on benefit cheats make me cringe and they probably make the benefit cheats laugh. glaswegians: the number of people that have never had a job in britain is really tiny. That's my point. Work for one day and you'll appear on a list that says you have had a job in your life. Work one day, fall into a different set of statistics and then just cheat as much as you can off the state but you can tell people you had a job! If a Polish person works and contributes for one year then they've contributed more than a substantial number of Brits have (ie - the benefit cheats). So why should that Polish person be forced to return home if they have to claim a benefit for being out of work? Plenty of people have to go on unemployment benefit (or whatever they call it now) to help them manage between jobs and that I don't mind. People are being made redundant left, right and centre at the moment and if they've been working and contributing to this country then this country should help them stay on their feet and find employment again, regardless of their nationality.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Apr 14, 09, 00:51 / #
glaswegians: The vast, vast majority of British people have been in employment all their lives, the number of people that have never had a job in britain is really tiny. You need to provide a source to support what you are saying or you may as well not say it.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Apr 14, 09, 05:32 / #
Oh yeah we suck you dry! and thats only Poles I guess? poor, poor British people..... Where are gone the glorius old days ....say before 1833!

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 14, 09, 12:05 / #
glaswegians: glaswegians Bore off. Your fishing is of poor quality, especially as you know very little about the demography of benefit claimants in the UK. Ironside: Where are gone the glorius old days ....say before 1833! I think you've answered your own, rather irrelevant question.

wiesiekThreads: 1 Posts: 41 Joined: Sep 21, 08	Apr 14, 09, 18:35 / #
glaswegians: Polish people should go to poland if they are unemployed not scrounging off of the british taxpayers and sucking out the honey from britannias breasts I read a report about a year ago that the majority of people who were born and raised in Scotland do not now live in Scotland, because they have migrated elsewhere. Yes I need to give you a source, but if it is true then the Scots would be sucking the ENGLISH dry.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Apr 14, 09, 19:18 / #
glaswegians: The vast, vast majority of British people have been in employment all their lives, the number of people that have never had a job in britain is really tiny. glaswegians: not scrounging off of the british taxpayers Note - the weegie scrounges off taxpayers. Note - the weegie has never been in full time employment. Note - the weegie takes money from the state. glaswegians: The pittance in tax that the poles have paid Note - the weegie does not pay as much tax as Poles in employment.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07	Apr 14, 09, 19:26 / #
glaswegians: Polish people should go to poland if they are unemployed not scrounging off of the british taxpayers and sucking out the honey from britannias breasts Remind me: does Scotland contribute more to the British budget than it receives or take more out than it contributes?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 14, 09, 21:03 / #
That's neither here not there, harry. Stop causing antagonism with that guff. It's a union, things are shared. Glaswegians, check Britain's unemployment figures. They don't make for pretty reading. Did you think Thatcher created anything even remotely close to full employment? She couldn't care less if the working class sufferred. Blair wasn't a major success story either.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Edited by: szkotja2007 Apr 14, 09, 22:44 / #
Harry: Remind me: does Scotland contribute more to the British budget than it receives or take more out than it contributes? With pleasure Harry - The reality is that Scotland more than pays its own way in the UK. That is proved by the most recent analysis in the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) report, which shows that Scotland had a budget surplus of £837 million in 2006-07, compared to a UK deficit of £4.3 billion. Government report

glaswegians	Apr 14, 09, 23:01 / #
wiesiek: I read a report about a year ago that the majority of people who were born and raised in Scotland do not now live in Scotland, because they have migrated elsewhere. Yes I need to give you a source, but if it is true then the Scots would be sucking the ENGLISH dry. There are an estimated 5 million scotland born british citizens working in england. Whats your point.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 14, 09, 23:04 / #
The Scots like to travel, wisiek, that has been the case for a long time now. The SNP even dubbed 2009 as the year of Scottish Homecoming, envisaging many Scots returning to their natural climes.