Polish Education Grading and Uk Edu. Grading?

Slawek076:

What a bull shi.? If you have made Cambrige or Oxford regulated certificates you will be able to speak, read and even better than some of you write even if you made this certificate on planet x. Does it mean you don't accept your own most known English certificates? By the way, the xxx named colleges can't issue Cambrige or Oxford certificates without those bodies agreement for that. Without this it's illegal to issue your certificated because it's just breaking the law. This fact means that these colleges have to face the highest teaching standards which are provided by most known bodies. Example: I'm at the airport, the border immigration offices gives me some application pack for your Cambridge Univ. regulated test, I explain to this guy in English that I can speak well plus I've got your certificate you ask me in this situation to pay twice. I showed that guy my Cambridge certificate and I talk talk in your language explaining to him why....Does it make any sense in this situation to even ask me to do next copy of the paper I've actually got? Isn't it ripping people for next 20 pounds and isn't it ignorance to that what your bodies issued to me even if it's issued outside your island? Isn't it a crazy sound?

frd:

Test before work? Rubbish. When you're looking for an employer it is his god given right to test you, and it is in his best interest to do that ( wait actually the mechanism you mentioned already exists it's called job interview ). As for self-employed - these people are usually building up their own image as workers, so if they are dodgy, or you've heard bad things about them you don't have to employ them - that's an international truth not some "watch for false polish electricians" stuff. If you were a patriot you would have employed british electricians, but noo, you go for a bargain and that's what you get.

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 10, 09, 20:55 / #
frd: from what I see you're giving us IT guys a bad name reading every second word of what people write in here. Because if you were reading everything you would have noticed im Polish. Why bother posting in here if you are not reading what other people post? I do not bother. I'm just giving you the facts. Why? Easy to understand. If we could have the same start like all other West countries from beginning after WW2 we wouldn't have been in situation like now. 50 years after...well now maybe 30 years after all West (i'm not saying about goods but about infrastructure and economy)because as you said as there are some people in Poland whose work hardly instead of goverments. By the way, I consider that many of you here is Polish including me. nincompoop_not: you have completely different rules re: electricity that Poland has and many of really good electricians had to go through courses here to be able to do these kind of jobs Well...physics is everywhere the same, just solutions are different. I agree that our electricians need to study your sollutions before they're dealing with them, but I don't think they are bad electricians without the knowledge about your solution but with the right knowledge about electricity physics and safety. I agree your solutions are specific which haven't been used in any other country but still there are some standards you have got and these standards are the same everywhere.

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Edited by: nincompoop_not Nov 10, 09, 21:03 / #
slawek re: electricity - it wasn't to you as i said before - and I repeat - you are crap at multitasking (reading and understanding what you read) as for communism - you are younger then I am and I don't think you can blame communism for everything. If I was you, I;d say - Im grateful for the experience frd don't get me started on the IT people :) It's my pet hate

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 10, 09, 21:08 / #
nincompoop_not: as i said before - and I repeat - you are crap at multitasking (reading and understanding what you read) Don't you understand what I'm really saying or you just don't want to...Stick your multitasking in your brown e.e

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Edited by: frd Nov 10, 09, 21:12 / #
Slawek076: I do not bother. I'm just giving you the facts. What facts? It's still generalizing, in 50 years there will still be many lazy and bad people in Poland introducing us to their bad ideas. That's why the ring main is a shabby argument to point out, beside you didn't even contrargument laddy, you just attacked him without countering what he said. That's why I'm telling you again you should revise what you want to post before you post. And start trying to come up with some sensible arguments. Slawek076: By the way, I consider that many of you here is Polish including me. What does considering people being polish has to do with you taking me for somebody from UK? Nothing. It still means you are bad in absorbing information. nincompoop_not: don't get me started on the IT people :) It's my pet hate Oh come on.. was it that bad? You've just met the wrong people ;)

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Nov 10, 09, 21:16 / #
frd: I'm telling you again you should revise what you want to post before you post. And start trying to come up with some sensible arguments. It seems to be a waste of time on this forum to type anything even you are talking about green aliens.

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Nov 10, 09, 21:27 / #
Slawek076: It seems to be a waste of time on this forum to type anything even you are talking about green aliens. i agree because years and years ago I was able to understand Polish English (grammar wise). I am unable now, and it's difficult to understand what's your point. One solutions - start making your poiint to me IN POLISH Advanced level?...I must be native then frd: Oh come on.. was it that bad? You've just met the wrong people ;) you know how it works..you dread this phonecall from me so you pass it to the person who can deal with me ;) no, it wasn't so bad. Enough to say I avoid IT managers and 1st helpdesk. Something in the middle is the most competent :)

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 10, 09, 22:29 / #
Slawek076: Don't you understand what I'm really saying or you just don't want to... nincompoop_not: One solutions - start making your poiint to me IN POLISH Advanced level?...I must be native then It is some waste of time to talk with people like you because they just don't wanna listen...it's not my Polish English ....it's just you...I know many natives here and they understand my English well enough...What's your level? Stubborn English? MY POINT IS LEAVE POLISH IMMIGRANTS IN PEACE...GO FIGHT WITH SOMEONE ELSE YOU HATE OR YOU DON'T LIKE AND DON'T BLAME ONLY POLISH FOR ANYTHING YOU'VE DONE...UNDERSTOOD NOW? I dont think you are native 'One solutions'

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Nov 10, 09, 22:41 / #
nincompoop_not: Advanced level?...I must be native then Slawek076: it's not my Polish English ....it's just you.. I think you stroke a chords with him there ; ) Slawek076: MY POINT IS LEAVE POLISH IMMIGRANTS IN PEACE...GO FIGHT WITH SOMEONE ELSE YOU HATE OR YOU DON'T LIKE AND DON'T BLAME ONLY POLISH FOR ANYTHING YOU'VE DONE...UNDERSTOOD NOW? Well, yelling and insulting is one way and providing proper contrarguments is another. If you prefer the first solution it's your choice.

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Nov 10, 09, 22:52 / #
Slawek076: It is some waste of time to talk with people like you because they just don't wanna listen..[...].I know many natives here and they understand my English well enough...What's your level? Stubborn English? see...the problem is I used to understand people talikng Polish-translated-straight0into-English i think you wanted to say something like: it's a waste of time to talk to people like you. You dont want to listen. [...] I know many natives understanding MY English. Whta's your level? [...]? My level- I dare to say - is knowing the language.

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 10, 09, 23:09 / #
nincompoop_not: it's a waste of time to talk to people like you. You dont want to listen. [...] I know many natives understanding MY English. Whta's your level? [...]? It's the same in different tense... What's the point to play word game? both versions are correct and if you saying that one is incorrect you know b... s... about English. Come here talk to people and you will see something more than your computer program you use to learn that language. I actually think my version is more correct than yours. By the way - check what wanna means and belive me it's correct and you can use it in both ways - want to or wanna I don't wanna say 'I know many natives understanding MY English' I wanted to say ' I know many natives here and they understand my English well enough' and it's nothing wrong with it. To tak jakby powiedziec : Twoja wersja Znam wielu miejscowych ktorzy rozumijea moj Angielski/ Moja wersja . Znam wielu miejscowych tutaj ktorzy rozumieja moj Angielski wystarczajaco dobrze. Nie widze zadnego problemu by powiedziec to tak czy inaczej Go to the school to learn English and after we can talk. When you learn some language not everything is just the translation of its meaning. Slawek076: It is a waste of time to talk with people like you because they just don't wanna listen..[...].I know many natives here and they understand my English well enough...What's your level? Stubborn English?

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Edited by: ShelleyS Nov 10, 09, 23:51 / #
Slawek076: Grey or Gray - both are correct... Said the guy with the "Cambridge" certificate! Grey is the correct spelling if you are in England. We dont spell it gray, unless its someones surname. Slawek076: GCSE graduate opinion? Im a native speaker, GCSE was a mere formality. Your might want to check out your link, it referred to spellings in the US not England.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 11, 09, 01:34 / #
Polish education is seen as higher and I can testify, first hand, that young Poles are generally very bright and sharp. My question is, what happens to them? I think they get squeezed by harsh reality and their conditions are often not as good as in the UK. They seem to go off the boil.

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Edited by: nincompoop_not Nov 10, 09, 23:19 / #
Slawek076: It's the same in different tense... What's the point to play word game? both versions are correct and if you saying that one is incorrect you know b... s... about English. Come here talk to people and you will see something more than your computer program you use to learn that language. I actually think my version is more correct than yours. By the way - check what wanna means and belive me it's correct and you can use it in both ways - want to or wanna believe me - I didn;t want this two Polish people arguiing about English yes, I know what 'wa/o/nna/gonna' means...I don't speak American English. Sorry Any kind of word game? dare to say you wouldn't survive the first minute of it and I know much more about English than you'd ever know edit: and you make me hate Polish people with this kind os unsustained superior - now - where - idea - where - from attitiude

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 10, 09, 23:24 / #
nincompoop_not: yes, I know what 'whanna/gonna' means...I don't speak American English. Sorry...American/British...There's only one English...Somehow English natives understand American natives and vice versa. How come that these languages are different? Any kind of word game? dare to say you wouldn't survive the first minute of it...Are you sure about it? and I know much more about English than you'd ever know - How come? From your computer program? Or maybe you are a teacher. If you do, yes I'm sure you know

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Nov 10, 09, 23:26 / #
Slawek076 you are an IT person and you have problem with html?!

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Nov 10, 09, 23:28 / #
nincompoop_not: you are an IT person and you have problem with html?! I don't I just wanted to put it in nice grey frame to allow you to read it more :)

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Nov 10, 09, 23:33 / #
Slawek076: nincompoop_not: you are an IT person and you have problem with html?! I don't I just wanted to put it in nice grey frame to allow you to read it more :) you meant grAy frame of course? it's a spelling difference...

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Edited by: ShelleyS Nov 10, 09, 23:38 / #
Slawek076: What a bull shi.? If you have made Cambrige or Oxford regulated certificates you will be able to speak, read and even better than some of you write even if you made this certificate on planet x. Does it mean you don't accept your own most known English certificates? By the way, the xxx named colleges can't issue Cambrige or Oxford certificates without those bodies agreement for that. Without this it's illegal to issue your certificated because it's just breaking the law. This fact means that these colleges have to face the highest teaching standards which are provided by most known bodies. Example: I'm at the airport, the border immigration offices gives me some application pack for your Cambridge Univ. regulated test, I explain to this guy in English that I can speak well plus I've got your certificate you ask me in this situation to pay twice. I showed that guy my Cambridge certificate and I talk talk in your language explaining to him why....Does it make any sense in this situation to even ask me to do next copy of the paper I've actually got? Isn't it ripping people for next 20 pounds and isn't it ignorance to that what your bodies issued to me even if it's issued outside your island? Isn't it a crazy sound? Yawn...There are plenty out there who have a piece of paper who cant communicate on a basic level. There are those out there who had private lessons in Poland and speak, read and write English well. nincompoop_not: I have NO certificates in English - Cambridge or otherwise; I haven't attended ANY English language school in the UK nor Poland I arrest my case. I could mention the the point that my friend took the necessary steps to learn to speak, read and write English before he came to England, his friend has been here for 5 years, has just finished an English "course" and could hardly read the certificate he was given! Slawek076: Go to the school to learn English and after we can talk I hate to tell you this Slawek, but I thought that Ms N-N was a native speaker and not Polish...So I'd personally say her English is near to perfect and "flows" better than yours. frd: Test before work? Rubbish. When you're looking for an employer it is his god given right to test you, and it is in his best interest to do that ( wait actually the mechanism you mentioned already exists it's called job interview ). As for self-employed - these people are usually building up their own image as workers, so if they are dodgy, or you've heard bad things about them you don't have to employ them - that's an international truth not some "watch for false polish electricians" stuff. If you were a patriot you would have employed british electricians, but noo, you go for a bargain and that's what you get. Im not completely sure about the building trade but Im almost sure they dont really "interview" electricians, they take them at their word (stupid I know!)...Only through their work they can tell if they're good or not. As to going for a bargain, this is true, but as we ways "all that glitters isnt necessarily gold" ...As for reputation, how is a person to know what a person reputation is if they not a "local" tradesman? nincompoop_not: yes, I know what 'wa/o/nna/gonna' means...I don't speak American English. Sorry Im not quite sure Id say its "American" English, its just very common and not particularly good English, lazy in fact. :D

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 10, 09, 23:47 / #
nincompoop_not: you meant grAy frame of course? it's a spelling difference... Grey or Gray - both are correct... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey You with perfect language, you don't know, how come? ShelleyS: I hate to tell you this Slawek, but I thought that Ms N-N was a native speaker and not Polish...So I'd personally say her English is near to perfect and "flows" better than yours. GCSE graduate opinion?

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 10, 09, 23:55 / #
ShelleyS: Grey is the correct spelling if you are in England That's what I used, your perfect one used gray, but anyway both are correct.

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Edited by: nincompoop_not Nov 10, 09, 23:57 / #
Slawek076: GCSE graduate opinion? and you have a better judgement because of yours 'advanced' level in whatever it is? I don't need anyone to assess your language skills as for 'gray'...you'd know it's ENGLISH and - if you knew some people with this kind of surname. you'd notice how sensitive they are about 'e' v 'a'

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Nov 10, 09, 23:59 / #
Slawek076: That's what I used, your perfect one used gray, but anyway both are correct. Its probably been her only mistake, I neither have the time nor the inclination to go through your posts. They are both correct, one is correct in England the other in America, if I submitted a report with the word "grey" written "gray" in the UK it wouldn't be acceptable. So for arguments sake, I am right and you are wrong in this matter.

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 11, 09, 00:40 / #
ShelleyS: Its probably been her only mistake, I neither have the time nor the inclination to go through your posts. They are both correct, one is correct in England the other in America, if I submitted a report with the word "grey" written "gray" in the UK it wouldn't be acceptable. So for arguments sake, I am right and you are wrong in this matter As you said as both are correct. That's agreed. Grey and Gray are still English and one used in England and other in the USA. By the way, your friend gave me some interesting focus on that word. Without it, I wouldn't even know that Gray exists. I've always been told it's "grey". I'm not saying, I know more about English than you "native". I'm saying, I know enough to communicate well and my Cambridge Advance is not whatever but yes, it will still be not as much as ''native'' being. As I said as I'm still working on my language. So, please understand me in this point but don't tell me you don't understand it because you understand it well enough. You would even say all new immigrants should pass English at proficiency level to be able to get cleaners job. What a fun!

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Nov 11, 09, 01:04 / #
Slawek076: I'm not saying, I know more about English than you "native". I'm saying, I know enough to communicate well and my Cambridge Advance is not whatever but yes, it will still be not as much as ''native'' being. As I said as I'm still working on my language. So, please understand me in this point but don't tell me you don't understand it because you understand it well enough. You would even say all new immigrants should pass English at proficiency level to be able to get cleaners job. What a fun! Sorry could you repeat that please?

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Nov 11, 09, 01:13 / #
Slawek076: grey and Gray are still English and one used in England and other in the USA. By the way, your friend gave me some interesting focus on that word. Without it, I wouldn't even know that Gray exists. I've always been told it's "grey". for some reason i thought you live in the UK ?

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 11, 09, 01:16 / #
ShelleyS: Sorry could you repeat that please? It's ignorance. Nothing much to say! I wish, you will be ignored one day as you act to ignore me now. If you don't understand use google translator! nincompoop_not: for some reason i thought you live in the UK ? I would prefer to live in the USA if only I could legally live there. Believe me.

nincompoop_notThreads: 4 Posts: 229 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Edited by: nincompoop_not Nov 11, 09, 01:23 / #
Slawek076: , I know more about English than you "native". I'm saying, I know enough to communicate well and my Cambridge Advance is not whatever but yes, it will still be not as much as ''native'' being. I am not f*** NATIVE can you apprehend for once and for all that yoru excuses are lame?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 11, 09, 01:27 / #
Sławek, you do a course. As an experienced teacher, I disagree. There are many students with FCE and CAE that really aren't up to scratch. Those certificates don't cut the mustard a lot of the time. It will give you some confidence with the language but it's just the start of your learning curve. It's like the CELTA, it's a baseline course and there are many ways to build on it. You come out of it with a basic awareness of methodological issues but, truth be told, you barely scrape the surface. It depends what you need. Your English is more than good enough for communicating. Your article use is a little askew but, then again, I can say the same about Polish teachers of English.

Slawek076Threads: - Posts: 87 Joined: Nov 4, 09	Edited by: Slawek076 Nov 11, 09, 01:28 / #
nincompoop_not: I am not f* NATIVE can you apprehend for once and for all that yoru excuses are lame? READ BELOW, PLEASE FOR GOD'S SAKE... IT WASN'T TO YOU. WHO SAID YOU ARE NATIVE? ShelleyS:** Its probably been her only mistake, I neither have the time nor the inclination to go through your posts. They are both correct, one is correct in England the other in America, if I submitted a report with the word "grey" written "gray" in the UK it wouldn't be acceptable. So for arguments sake, I am right and you are wrong in this matter Me As you said as both are correct. That's agreed. Grey and Gray are still English and one used in England and other in the USA. By the way, your friend gave me some interesting focus on that word. Without it, I wouldn't even know that Gray exists. I've always been told it's "grey". I'm not saying, I know more about English than you "native". I'm saying, I know enough to communicate well and my Cambridge Advance is not whatever but yes, it will still be not as much as ''native'' being. As I said as I'm still working on my language. So, please understand me in this point but don't tell me you don't understand it because you understand it well enough. You would even say all new immigrants should pass English at proficiency level to be able to get cleaners job. What a fun!

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Edited by: frd Nov 11, 09, 01:30 / #
ShelleyS: ...As for reputation, how is a person to know what a person reputation is if they not a "local" tradesman? I would probably stick to some local craftsman over an unknown bloke from abroad, beside around here everyone knows somebody who's a builder, plumber or an electrician, on a friend of a friend basis. Although that isn't the best situation when they break something there's this problem with whose gonna pay for the damage, despie that it's always better to know the person who tinkers with your stuff. As for people like builders, they usually sign a contract which assumes that they'll pay for any inconveniences. Sending electricians unexperienced with certain local circuit standards is a failure on the "command" level. Somebody somewhere made a mistake by sending these out. Slawek076: Slawek076 I completely wouldn't mind you, and what your blabbering about but come on, you dare to finger somebody's mistakes out when your statements make an unintelligebale mess and you go even further and boast about how great you are...