A question to immigrants

isthatu2:

I don't witness anything bad happening to Poles. I work with Poles and the English and Poles have a laugh with each other. I've played football matches with Poles. I've taken Poles to Old Trafford to watch England v Andorra in the Euro 2008 Qualifier and 2 of them already had England shirts in their possession. We have a bit of banter and sometimes someone throws their dummy out of the pram. I'm guilty of this. But at the end of the day there's no hostility. If any of you asked Polish people in Nottingham if they received any hostility they will say no. The English go drinking with the Polish there. If you asked the Polish in Preston if they receive any hostility I also think they'll say no. However on one occasion I worked in Blackpool. Four Polish people started. It was just an agency job until I got settled as I had just moved here. I remember they were silent with me at first and stuck to their own. Then I asked them to come out for a drink and had a laugh with them. I remember one of them telling me he assumed that all English people were anti-Polish. When I asked why? He told me he had problems with some English at his previous jobs and assumed that there was a vibe against Poles. They were the only Poles I have heard of that had received any hostility against them by the English.
It was shocking as in Nottingham nationality is pushed aside with Poles and English and they go out for a pissup, or partying.
I got kicked out of my parents' house in Nottingham years ago and it was a Polish couple that gave me accommodation for a few days til I sorted myself out. They were disappointed when I left!

Hostility against Polish people isn't everywhere and it isn't from anyone. Nottingham even has bars with signs on the windows that encourages Polish people to enter.

FirestormThreads: 7 Posts: 511 Joined: Nov 29, 06	Apr 22, 08, 17:50 / #
uk_1993_: EbonyandBathory I dont give a rats ass what his name is.. I think your deserve a medal for excepting his nationality. Personaly i would reject his sorry ass back to the slime pool he crawled out of. HE DOESNT want it. Dont give him credibility by identifying his miserable existance. He obviously doesnt give a crap about his heritage. And i for one dont want any more to do with the lowlife.

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 22, 08, 17:51 / #
isthatu2: I don't witness anything bad happening to Poles. I work with Poles and the English and Poles have a laugh with each other. I've played football matches with Poles. I've taken Poles to Old Trafford to watch England v Andorra in the Euro 2008 Qualifier and 2 of them already had England shirts in their possession. We have a bit of banter and sometimes someone throws their dummy out of the pram. I'm guilty of this. But at the end of the day there's no hostility. If any of you asked Polish people in Nottingham if they received any hostility they will say no. The English go drinking with the Polish there. If you asked the Polish in Preston if they receive any hostility I also think they'll say no. However on one occasion I worked in Blackpool. Four Polish people started. It was just an agency job until I got settled as I had just moved here. I remember they were silent with me at first and stuck to their own. Then I asked them to come out for a drink and had a laugh with them. I remember one of them telling me he assumed that all English people were anti-Polish. When I asked why? He told me he had problems with some English at his previous jobs and assumed that there was a vibe against Poles. They were the only Poles I have heard of that had received any hostility against them by the English. It was shocking as in Nottingham nationality is pushed aside with Poles and English and they go out for a pissup, or partying. I got kicked out of my parents' house in Nottingham years ago and it was a Polish couple that gave me accommodation for a few days til I sorted myself out. They were disappointed when I left! Hostility against Polish people isn't everywhere and it isn't from anyone. Nottingham even has bars with signs on the windows that encourages Polish people to enter. Yeah I know some folks are not opposed to Poles, I just get annoyed with the Poles more than the angry Brits. Until 2004 everyone here remembered the Polish as a small nation who stood up against Hitler and then tried to free themselves from the yoke of communism. Now that reputation (to me it seems) is being replaced by a far less pleasant one. 10 years ago I would have had a Polish name with pride, it caused me no problems until a couple of years ago.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Apr 22, 08, 17:51 / #
isthatu2: tosspot,nf is soooo 1980s..... gdj67: Don't feed the troll..............go play the 'where in the world' game. Miranda is getting to good, someone needs to bring her down a peg or two ;) why all the anger, can't you see beyond the racist comments that the guy is actually trying to make a point, while he is way way way out of order, instead of picking on the language or making threats to have his career finsihed why don't you answer the question or make a post on the point :) i mean if your going to slag him of you could stay on topic at the same time :)

isthatu2Threads: 12 Posts: 4,856 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 22, 08, 17:53 / #
tornado2007: surely you wouldn't be that sad and goody goody would you?? nah,west mids is about the only force i DONT know people on....full of crooks and people on the take innit ;) tornado2007: While what he is saying is out of order, obviously he needs to let of a bit of steam. Go jogging then, tornado2007: I'm sure underneath the anger the man has a point that could be portraid in a better way Yes,that he is a brainless idiot that judges people by the colour of ther skin,and like all brain dead idiots like this he has no point,either on here or in continuing using valuable oxygen...

EbonyandBathoryThreads: 7 Posts: 349 Joined: Feb 14, 08	Apr 22, 08, 17:54 / #
uk_1993_: these infantile reactions None of us, immeadiately went for the old N-word card. If your point was to start controversy I'm afraid you failed. No one could argue that you're a clown. No controversy there.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Edited by: Arise_St_George Apr 22, 08, 17:55 / #
uk_1993_: Yeah I know some folks are not opposed to Poles, I just get annoyed with the Poles more than the angry Brits. Until 2004 everyone here remembered the Polish as a small nation who stood up against Hitler and then tried to free themselves from the yoke of communism. Now that reputation (to me it seems) is being replaced by a far less pleasant one. 10 years ago I would have had a Polish name with pride, it caused me no problems until a couple of years ago. That was my post not isthatu's. Your problem lies with the government and not with the Poles. If Poland paid 3 times as much as they did here then I would head to Poland to work. It's what any normal , sane person would do. It's what I attempt to do in the future. I'm attempting to get a career behind me and then eventually move to another country, perhaps New Zealand, where I won't have to pay as much tax and insurance. Where I'll have money to play with, to buy a fancy car and a nice house. I hope to be doing that in the next 10 years. I agree with you about muslims though. I would rather have Eastern European migrants in Britain than "Asians and Africans."

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Edited by: uk_1993_ Apr 22, 08, 17:55 / #
No you're right I don't want to be a Pole and I'll do anything to shed that reputation. Throughout history people have Anglicised their surnames, mine was Kaponowski but I've changed it. Most people by the name of Smith in America never had a progenitor named Smith they were all Smits and Schmidts who Anglicised their names to integrate. The ONLY people who don't want to integrate are those who hold on to old customs from their ancestors' countries instead of wanting to be British. That's what annoys me about Somalians they flat out refuse to integate. P.S. NF may be 1980s but the BNP won't have me. Once again, "Thank you Mr.EUimmigrantski" since 2004 the BNP are getting increasingly anti-Polish but the NF will take anyone who is White.

isthatu2Threads: 12 Posts: 4,856 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 22, 08, 17:58 / #
uk_1993_: That's what annoys me about Somalians they flat out refuse to integate. ...what,you mean like the OXFORD EDUCATED and BBC journolist who was born in Somalia that obviously figured on your "wank for hate" TV viewing the other night? Get a life child,cowards like you have no place on any Police force period.

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 22, 08, 17:59 / #
You mean Rageh Omaar the guy who did the recent series on immigration on Channel 4? Yeah he gets a pass though, but even he still identifies as a Somali, why?

FirestormThreads: 7 Posts: 511 Joined: Nov 29, 06	Apr 22, 08, 18:00 / #
<-- Confiscates all snacks. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL..

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Apr 22, 08, 18:15 / #
uk_1993_: And true to my hopes 600,000 Poles did come, followed by another 600,000 and then almost another 600,000. BS... uk_1993_: Anyway my question is do any of you realise that this situation WILL boil over into the likes of the Brixton riots. So bring It on.

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:21 / #
"Bring it on"? Cyber-tough guy now. Well when someone's torching your home because you called him a British bastard I'll be one of the riot policeman looking on as, once again, hostile immigrants dig themselves a hole. Have you learned nothing? Trying to take on a host country never works, the Blacks tried it (they failed), the Asians tried it (they too failed) and now the Poles will.

ZeusThreads: - Posts: 40 Joined: Apr 23, 08	Apr 24, 08, 14:47 / #
Yes it is true. You are very right!! The Polish have been headline of the English Newspaper and it was not for their efforts to push the British economy but for bringing crime!, prostitution, Sexual transmitted disease, and many other nasty stuff!!

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Apr 24, 08, 14:51 / #
Zeus: The Polish have been headline of the English Newspaper and it was not for their efforts to push the British economy but for bringing crime!, prostitution, Sexual transmitted disease, and many other nasty stuff!! You must read some dodgy newspapers. I may point out that the Daily Mail/Daily Express etc are not papers we could consider as carrying "quality" content.

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Edited by: uk_1993_ Apr 22, 08, 18:01 / #
Well who knows maybe I'll join the police or maybe I won't. Considering teaching, any inner city school. I feel there would be some good fun to be had punishing them endlessly. I'm only 16 so I've still got my GCSEs to complete and then my A-Levels.

EbonyandBathoryThreads: 7 Posts: 349 Joined: Feb 14, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:02 / #
Tornado, while I already did answer the kid's question, it ceases to become an intelligent dialogue when he lashes out the way he did. His question is valid, he is not. uk_1993_: Most people by the name of Smith in America never had a progenitor named Smith they were all Smits and Schmidts who Anglicised their names to integrate. The ONLY people who don't want to integrate are those who hold on to old customs from their ancestors' countries instead of wanting to be British. It was the holding on to those customs and the mixing of those customs that made America a great nation of progressive and inventive thinkers. Immigration creates the molding of cultures into a greater culture consciousness. Rock n' Roll, Jazz, Baseball, Democracy, all direct descendance of immigration and people "hold[ing] on to old customs from their ancestors' countries."

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:04 / #
The only troll here is the person who took my entire submission to this forum picked out the one remotely racialist statement and blew it out of all proportion thereby diverting discussion from the question itself. All I meant by I'd rather have a European than an African is that Europeans can racially assimilate but Blacks stick out like a sore thumb.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:06 / #
uk_1993_: but Blacks stick out like a sore thumb. And they smell of poo :P

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:07 / #
I concede your point, America was made great by immigration but Britain is different. We have our own distinct culture and if you want to come here, from wherever, then subscribe to our culture not any other. If you come here from Pakistan and 45 years down the line are still wearing your robes and talking in Urdu then you are REFUSING TO ASSIMILATE.

EbonyandBathoryThreads: 7 Posts: 349 Joined: Feb 14, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:07 / #
uk_1993_: All I meant by I'd rather have a European than an African is that Europeans can racially assimilate but Blacks stick out like a sore thumb. But unlike you, they can't change that.

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:08 / #
uk_1993_: And they smell of poo :P LOL post that on Stormfront, not here (an insecure mixed race person may jump out of the woodwork and cyber-berate you).

EbonyandBathoryThreads: 7 Posts: 349 Joined: Feb 14, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:10 / #
uk_1993_: If you come here from Pakistan and 45 years down the line are still wearing your robes and talking in Urdu then you are REFUSING TO ASSIMILATE. Not true. There is a difference between assimilating and disregarding where one comes from. Immigrating to Britain doesn't mean you stop being Pakistani, or Polish or whatever it is, people are what they are. Assimilating means respecting the laws of your new country, not disregarding your old one.

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Edited by: uk_1993_ Apr 22, 08, 18:11 / #
You're right, they can't change their race but they CAN make every effort to be British. If they do that then they have my respect if nothing else. I saw a cab being driven by an Asian (nothing new there lol) a few days ago and he had on his Pakistani music, his vehicle adorned in Pakistani flags and a big banner reading "I LUV PAKISTAN" covered the back window. I listened as the passenger got in and the driver was clearly British born so why did he not have a Union Jack? ANSWER:He wants to be a Pakistani, not a Brit. If he loves Pakistan so much then I'm in half a mind to say he should take his cab and his flags and eff off there.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Edited by: Grzegorz_ Apr 22, 08, 18:24 / #
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uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Edited by: uk_1993_ Apr 22, 08, 18:27 / #
uk_1993_: What you say, British bastard ? Ah being acknowledged as British, the most satisfying feeling I have had all week. BTW this is a forum not a boxing ring if you don't know what I said you need some better glasses because it's on the screen in front of you.

uk_1993_Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 22, 08, 18:30 / #
A friendly tip it's "What DID you say" not "What you say". When you say British bastard you mean "Bastard who gave me oppurtunity to work for 12 times as much money as in Poland".

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Apr 22, 08, 18:38 / #
The only opportunity you are giving is the one for parents to point at you and tell their kids "look, If you don't learn more, you will end up like this trash".

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Apr 24, 08, 13:55 / #
uk_1993_: but Blacks stick out like a sore thumb. and you can stick that thumbs up your a$$ uk_1993_: I'm only 16 ok, that explains a lot. i`m glad that you changed your name and don`t want to have anything to do with your polish roots, cuz a racist like yourself is a shame to any nation!

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,868 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER	Apr 24, 08, 14:42 / #
uk_1993_: You're right, they can't change their race but they CAN make every effort to be British. If they do that then they have my respect if nothing else. move to a foreign country and stop being who you are? come to UK and put on a stupid accent, eat crumpets and drink tea 5 times a day, is that what assimilating is to you? you are only young and like most of teenagers you are trying to fit in and desperately looking for acceptance. you are not proud and you dont deserve respect, you are a coward who changed everything about himself just to fit in, you have no personality and no identity. it's very sad to see someone so young take such desperate attempt to get rid of everything real about yourself. if you can't make people accept you and respect you for the person you are, changing your name, image and accent won't fix it, you will be a laughing stock for both British and Polish. it's the lowest thing one can do - blend into the society and be just like everyone else.

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,868 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER	Apr 24, 08, 14:53 / #
Zeus: The Polish have been headline of the English Newspaper and it was not for their efforts to push the British economy but for bringing crime!, prostitution, Sexual transmitted disease, and many other nasty stuff!! are you related to michal by any chance????