A question to immigrants

Vietnam Nike Strike Ends As Workers Win Modest Pay Increase - 04/04/08

A three-day strike by 15,000 workers at a factory that makes shoes for Nike has come to an end. The workers walked off the job demanding a monthly pay raise of 200,000 dong, or roughly $12.40 in U.S. currency. The workers returned to work, agreeing to management's offer of a pay increase of 100,000 dong, the equivalent of $6.20 per month. The workers are currently paid between the equivalent of $49 and $65 dollars per month, and were demanding the wage increases to offset the rising inflation in the country. Consumer prices for essentials, such as rice, have jumped by more than 16 percent since this time last year.

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Apr 27, 08, 02:39 / #
taiji000: I have had english people who told me that they have been for more than 3 years in spain and could say only up to 10 words in spanish. And they were complaining that they staff couldnt or didnt want to speak english. lol taiji000: yes it is unpolite and i proly lose some customers, but i couldt care less, the satisfaction and the fun is to great ot miss it :):). mmmm i`d love to have that type of satisfaction. if only i could have been like that to customers in my previous work. it would be perfectamente!

morals	Apr 27, 08, 21:02 / #
the british wil all be learning spanish too escape the poles

KaylynThreads: - Posts: 24 Joined: Apr 22, 08	Apr 27, 08, 23:23 / #
Look I have the best solution to this problem or imaginary problem(?). All Poles everywhere should come live in America!! There are alot of them in Chicago, Pittsburgh and New York but the rest of the country needs more Poles please. I love Polish people so much :'''( :D

LAGirlThreads: 13 Posts: 598 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Apr 28, 08, 13:28 / #
this sounds like germany 1939 my god cant we get along here its only right if the immigrants no matter what country they come from come there legally and speak English and be respectful then they have everyright to live in the Uk or here in America as long as they contribute to the economy. but I dont go for the immigrants no matter what country I have nomrespect for the ones who come here dont learn the language do things illigally do crimes and dont contribute. there is nothing wrong with the Polish People Poland had been through hard times and so has the UK. if I was a immagrant I would learn the language contribute and do things legally. I am of british backround. uk1993 stop being so racist maybe there are some not good ones out there but dont hate the whole of Polish I know how you fel we have the same with mexicans but you have to calm down and just only deal with the good ones.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Apr 28, 08, 13:37 / #
LAGirl: I have nomrespect for the ones who come here dont learn the language do things illigally do crimes and dont contribute. Hey chicken... I'm against mass immigration myself. The floodgates should have been shut a long time ago. It has come to the point where immigration in this country no longer benefits the economy. I have more of a problem with immigrants coming from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Africa etc. The huge difference in culture is vast and are not willing to assimilate. I personally hold no grudge for Europeans that migrate here. If non-eu member states can come then why can't our Europeans neighbours? It's the government that is a shambles. I believe EVERYONE that comes into this country SHOULD HAVE TO speak English otherwise they cannot enter. This is a view I hold strongly. What are your opinions though of British expats that move to Spain that don't learn the Spanish language?

MakdaamThreads: - Posts: 34 Joined: Mar 7, 08	Apr 28, 08, 15:37 / #
Arise_St_George: I believe EVERYONE that comes into this country SHOULD HAVE TO speak English otherwise they cannot enter. This is a view I hold strongly. What are your opinions though of British expats that move to Spain that don't learn the Spanish language? Oh great, now I have to learn italian just to visit Venice despite the fact that I can communicate with most Italians quite fluently :) P.S. Just try to mix up declination while in Poland, we'll be more than happy to deport you.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Edited by: szarlotka Apr 28, 08, 15:39 / #
Makdaam: I believe EVERYONE that comes into this country SHOULD HAVE TO speak English **** - all Scousers like me are going to be deported. Calm down, calm down Sorry - quoted wrong poster (again)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Apr 28, 08, 16:03 / #
Arise_St_George: I believe EVERYONE that comes into this country SHOULD HAVE TO speak English otherwise they cannot enter. Oddieithr... Bore da. Bore da. Sut mae? Gweddol. O ble dych chi`n dod yn wreiddiol? Dw i`n dod o Gwlad Pwyl. I may have messed up the soft mutation in the second sentence, but I had to make a note of that, otherwise I'd be breaking too many rules by not posting in English.

F15guyThreads: 1 Posts: 230 Joined: Jan 14, 08	Apr 30, 08, 08:31 / #
Osiol: Oddieithr... Bore da. Bore da. Sut mae? Gweddol. O ble dych chi`n dod yn wreiddiol? Dw i`n dod o Gwlad Pwyl. Lol. Hee haw! Hee haw!

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Edited by: Arise_St_George Apr 30, 08, 08:53 / #
Makdaam: Oh great, now I have to learn italian just to visit Venice despite the fact that I can communicate with most Italians quite fluently :) P.S. Just try to mix up declination while in Poland, we'll be more than happy to deport you. I'm not Italian. I'm also not living in Poland but what the government does in their own countries are of no concern to mine. I don't believe those here on holiday should have to speak our language but anyone that chooses to live MUST learn our language. I would be happy to learn Spanish if I was to move to Spain. I would be happy to learn French if I was to move to France, I'm not bad at French anyway. It helps you around. It helps you to mingle with the nationals. It's vital for jobs and the way of life for that particular country. osiol: Bore da. Bore da. Sut mae? Gweddol. O ble dych chi`n dod yn wreiddiol? Dw i`n dod o Gwlad Pwyl. Anyone that speaks Welsh speaks English themselves so there is no flaw in that one. Welsh is the 2nd language in Wales, English being 1st.

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 30, 08, 09:17 / #
uk_1993_: uk_1993_ Absolute rubbish from start to finish.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Edited by: z_darius Apr 30, 08, 09:37 / #
grahambarb: they see immigrants keeping local wages down Look at the back of your computer's monitor, or under your laptop. See where it's made. If you use a mouse check where it's made.A telephone on your desk? I wonder where that was manufactured. Now a little exercise to maintain health and safety at a workplace: 1. stand up 2. take your pants down and check where they were made 3. take your undies down and check where it was manufactured 4. Now take your shirt off and look behind the collar. There should be a little lable saying where it was made. If you're into more strenuous exercise take a walk around your place and check everything you find for the country of origin. Do you still think immigrants keep the wages down in the UK?

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 30, 08, 09:45 / #
z_darius: z_darius Good point. People embrace the benefits of the global economy whilst btching about the flip-side. I doubt the people calling for Poles to go home care (or even give thought to the fact) that their plasma TV was as cheap as it was because a chinese worker was paid sweet fck all to manufacture it!

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Edited by: IronsE11 Apr 30, 08, 10:21 / #
Arise_St_George: Migration is no longer a benefit to the British economy now. It reached it's peak a long time. Now it's just spiralling out of control. How so? There are obviously still jobs available to such workers. Migrant labour is therefore of benefit to the economy, if the said labour is cheaper and/or better.

grahambarbThreads: - Posts: 24 Joined: Feb 26, 08	Apr 30, 08, 09:24 / #
solalice: What would you work for such a person in the first place? the fact is that the majority of brits in the north and highly working class have this opinion , it's not racist and they didn't ask for an open door policy i think they see immigrants keeping local wages down at a time when prices are soaring and i think a lot of core labour voters have realised that the labour party which was set up by working people to represent them which it did back in the day, now they have no representation whatsoever the back bone of the country , no one cares what they think and i imagine that like every pole would like to do is look after their own people in their own country first , just like a lot of brits would like and i would presume every country would , there is just to many polish here it's a joke , most people are worse off as a result it does nothing to the host country and there is very little benefit if anything whatsoever to natives as stated by the peers in the house of lords, i actually think the tolerance of the brits has been brilliant to pollacks and i know for sure if over 1 million people went to poland and were undercutting working people in poland the poles would've been a hell of a lot more hostile that's for sure

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Edited by: IronsE11 Apr 30, 08, 09:33 / #
If everyone is so bothered by this, why don't they vote for a party that will redress the situation... ...oh wait...none of the parties will. People moan, but they have a vote. If hostility towards the Poles is so widespread in Britain (which it clearly isn't despite what some of the brain-dead Brits and Poles on here think), why does a government which allows such immigration remain? The fact is, cheap leabour is good for the economy. Maybe not for lazy or relatively unskilled workers, but we live in a global economy. If the Brits in Britain can't get paid enough for the jobs they want, or are trained to do, they should get better qualifications/skills, or move to a country where the cost of living is lower. It's pretty simple. The world has changed and it's those getting left behind who continually b*tch about it.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Apr 30, 08, 09:55 / #
IronsE11: heir plasma TV was as cheap as it was because a chinese worker was paid sweet fck all to manufacture it! I'm not sure what the plasma would cost if manufactured in the UK or elsewhere in EU, but there are other telling examples of the so called "lower" prices - Nike. Vietnam Nike Strike Ends As Workers Win Modest Pay Increase - 04/04/08 A three-day strike by 15,000 workers at a factory that makes shoes for Nike has come to an end. The workers walked off the job demanding a monthly pay raise of 200,000 dong, or roughly $12.40 in U.S. currency. The workers returned to work, agreeing to management's offer of a pay increase of 100,000 dong, the equivalent of $6.20 per month. The workers are currently paid between the equivalent of $49 and $65 dollars per month*, and were demanding the wage increases to offset the rising inflation in the country. Consumer prices for essentials, such as rice, have jumped by more than 16 percent since this time last year. The price of decent quality Nike shoes (not all are of decent quality) is still in the neighborhood of $100 and up.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Apr 30, 08, 10:15 / #
IronsE11: The fact is, cheap leabour is good for the economy. Migration is no longer a benefit to the British economy now. It reached it's peak a long time. Now it's just spiralling out of control.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Apr 30, 08, 10:32 / #
IronsE11: How so? There are obviously still jobs available to such workers. Migrant labour is therefore of benefit to the economy, if the said labour is cheaper and/or better. Many Brits are being pushed aside for low-skilled jobs. How is migration benefiting the British economy when migrants are saving up to spend in their own native land? Immigration no longer benefits Britain http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/03/31/ do3105.xml

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 30, 08, 10:50 / #
Arise_St_George: Many Brits are being pushed aside for low-skilled jobs I''ll have a 'pint of bothered' with your finest pack of 'give a f*ck dry roasted nuts' please barman. Get some better skills/qualifications or live somewhere you can afford to. Low skilled jobs (should) pay low wages, not over-inflated ones in order to 'look after' indigenous Brits. Low wages reduce costs and encourage investment and therefore benefit the economy. Why should a British plumber continue to charge a fortune for his services when there is a whole global workforce who can do the job better/cheaper. As a customer, I would rather get better value for money than subsidize someone based on their nationality.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Apr 30, 08, 12:54 / #
IronsE11: I''ll have a 'pint of bothered' with your finest pack of 'give a f*ck dry roasted nuts' please barman. Get some better skills/qualifications or live somewhere you can afford to. Low skilled jobs (should) pay low wages, not over-inflated ones in order to 'look after' indigenous Brits. Low wages reduce costs and encourage investment and therefore benefit the economy. Why should a British plumber continue to charge a fortune for his services when there is a whole global workforce who can do the job better/cheaper. As a customer, I would rather get better value for money than subsidize someone based on their nationality. IMMIGRATION DOES NOT BENEFIT TO ECONOMY. I had to check your profile as I find it hard to believe you're British-born. I notice you're from East London.... need I say more.

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 30, 08, 12:59 / #
Arise_St_George: IMMIGRATION DOES NOT BENEFIT TO ECONOMY What a wonderfully constructed argument. Arise_St_George: I had to check your profile as I find it hard to believe you're British-born. I notice you're from East London.... need I say more. I don't really know what your point is. I'm English, i'm from East London and...? Why should I care if the plumber I employ is British or Polish?

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Apr 30, 08, 13:02 / #
Whatever you say about a 'based argument' that statement about immigration not helping our economy is true :) As for the British based Plumber compared to a Polish one, to be honest i would rather be giving money to the British economy than have somebody send it back to whatever country they come from :)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Edited by: osiol Apr 30, 08, 13:57 / #
Arise_St_George: Anyone that speaks Welsh speaks English themselves so there is no flaw in that one. Welsh is the 2nd language in Wales, English being 1st. So what? Theoretically, there are places, especially in North Wales, where you could get by without speaking a word of English, but still doing that thing we like to call 'yr integru'. That doesn't mean I'd recommend any Polish kids skip their English lessons at school to study a bit of Cymraeg on the side, then move to Walton-on-the-Naze. tornado2007: giving money to the British economy than have somebody send it back to whatever country they come from There are so many Polish people who don't send money home. What about British people who spend their money on holidays? More importantly, who owns what? Who are the shareholders in (insert the names of some of the world's biggest companies here)? Where does any money go? If you want to stop the pound heading for Poland, start a business that will lure Poles in the UK to part with their money in your till before they even consider sending any out of the country.

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 30, 08, 17:37 / #
tornado2007: Whatever you say about a 'based argument' that statement about immigration not helping our economy is true :) Once again Torny (with all due respect), simply stating something does not make it so. osiol: There are so many Polish people who don't send money home. What about British people who spend their money on holidays? More importantly, who owns what? Who are the shareholders in (insert the names of some of the world's biggest companies here)? Where does any money go? If you want to stop the pound heading for Poland, start a business that will lure Poles in the UK to part with their money in your till before they even consider sending any out of the country. Good point. I spend a very large percentage of my income on holiday. Whenever I buy a West Ham United shirt/season ticket/merchandise I am funding an Icelandic business. The very fact that cheap labour is available encourages companies to invest in the UK. Why do you think British based companies set up their call centres in India? Who's economy does this benefit? The immigrants who choose to send their savings home have every right to do so. They still have to pay tax and fund their living expenses whilst they reside here. I work in benefits, and I can tell you that a fair amount of non-working immigrant's money is being used to fund Bengali real estate. When you consider this is tax-payers money which has not been earnt, it puts the issue of immigrant workers sending their own money back home in to perspective.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 30, 08, 17:41 / #
I go along with that. Poles have secured jobs and are thus entitled to regulate their disposable income as they see fit. The fruits of their labour are seen in British industry, don't swipe their earnings back or claim that they should invest further in British business. Investment is a choice, not an obligation.

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 30, 08, 18:04 / #
Seanus: I go along with that. Poles have secured jobs and are thus entitled to regulate their disposable income as they see fit. The fruits of their labour are seen in British industry, don't swipe their earnings back or claim that they should invest further in British business. Investment is a choice, not an obligation. Exactly what I was trying to say (but far better put)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 30, 08, 18:10 / #
Hmm...not really. U put it more than well enough

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Apr 30, 08, 18:13 / #
IronsE11: Once again Torny (with all due respect), simply stating something does not make it so. what so you want me to trundle through the whole report about it??? i'm not sure what your asking me to do, its pretty self explanatory isn't it?? Seanus: I go along with that. Poles have secured jobs and are thus entitled to regulate their disposable income as they see fit. The fruits of their labour are seen in British industry, don't swipe their earnings back or claim that they should invest further in British business. Investment is a choice, not an obligation. while i accept that point, the question was asked 'why would you prefer to employ a british plumber than a polish one??' so i answered why i would employ a british plumber. If the Polish want to do that with their money its their choice, so therfore it should be my choice on who i employ???

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 30, 08, 18:15 / #
Nobody in their right mind would deny that, but British employers employ Poles. British plumbers are generally very good but the Poles are a bit cheaper and know their trade well