Recruitment agencies advertise for Polish only workers

Archer2009:

They were interviewing a bar owner in London and talking about having Polish Staff working there and he said quite simply, when he employed Brits they looked shabby, slacked off, turned up to work late, took lots of sicks days, etc.

He said when he employed people from Poland they came into work on time, their clothes were nicely ironed, they were polite to customers, didn't take sick days, always reliable, etc

Basically their entire work ethic was totally different

glaswegians	Apr 7, 09, 20:15 / #
A study of migrant workers in Bristol and Hull by research organisation Centre for Cities found that in Hull, migrants are "unofficially" channelled through 'Polish only' recruitment agencies to work in factory work, particularly food processing and packaging. www.personneltoday.com/articles/2009/03/16/49826/hull-recruitment-agen cy-places-only-polish-workers-in.html Whos country is this ?

bluebirdThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Oct 19, 08	Apr 10, 09, 11:47 / #
I blame the Companies themselves. Most Brits would not work for the lousy wages and poor job security that they offer. So rather than pay a decent wage, and treat their employees as human, they exploit the poor Polish. Employment Agencies in general are the scum of the earth! If you earn £6 an hour, the agency gets £9+ from the firm. Why can't they just pay £8 an hour? Bastards!

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Edited by: niejestemcapita Apr 10, 09, 11:56 / #
bluebird: I blame the Companies themselves. Absolutley bluebird: Most Brits would not work for the lousy wages and poor job security that they offer. The only British that used to do these jobs were students living with their parents for a few weeks in the summer bluebird: If you earn £6 an hour, the agency gets £9+ from the firm. More like 20

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Apr 10, 09, 15:27 / #
glaswegians: Recruitment agencies advertise for Polish only workers what a hospitality :-)

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Edited by: sledz Apr 10, 09, 15:56 / #
bluebird: Most Brits would not work for the lousy wages and poor job security that they offer. So rather than pay a decent wage, and treat their employees as human, they exploit the poor Polish. Its sounds like the same problem that we have in the US with the Illegal Mexicans, big companies hire them a low wages and work long hours, fortunatly there a laws in place now to take action against this criminal activity:) Most legal ones gets jobs at sweaty factories, McDonalds, landscaping, etc.. Jobs most Americans dont want. Someone from Poland would be able to find a better paying job here in Chicago being that theres alot of Polish speaking businesses. Not being able to speak English would greatly dimish your abilityto succeed anywhere else outside the Polish community.

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08	Apr 10, 09, 16:00 / #
bluebird: Why can't they just pay £8 an hour? Because they are in it to make as much profit as possible, which is pretty much what most businesses are about, so I don't understand why people complain about it all the time.

Archer2009Threads: - Posts: 6 Joined: Jul 12, 09	Jul 12, 09, 03:08 / #
bluebird: I blame the Companies themselves. Most Brits would not work for the lousy wages and poor job security that they offer. So rather than pay a decent wage, and treat their employees as human, they exploit the poor Polish. Another way to also look at it is in something I saw on TV They were interviewing a bar owner in London and talking about having Polish Staff working there and he said quite simply, when he employed Brits they looked shabby, slacked off, turned up to work late, took lots of sicks days, etc. He said when he employed people from Poland they came into work on time, their clothes were nicely ironed, they were polite to customers, didn't take sick days, always reliable, etc Basically their entire work ethic was totally different

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Jul 12, 09, 03:23 / #
Well to be honest Archer if i was getting 4-5 times more per hour than i do now i would kiss ass and make sure my boss was happy with me. If i had the chance to improve my life by a huge amount i would take the chance and work my butt off so its more a case of a bigger incentive and not work ethic. As the old saying goes "you pay peanuts you get monkeys" but maybe it should be changed to "you pay peanuts you get polish".

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Edited by: Mister H Jul 12, 09, 12:45 / #
Archer2009: Another way to also look at it is in something I saw on TV Not from real life then ? TV documentaries always have an agenda and tend to come out with the same tired old nonsense. Archer2009: They were interviewing a bar owner in London and talking about having Polish Staff working there and he said quite simply, when he employed Brits they looked shabby, slacked off, turned up to work late, took lots of sicks days, etc. He said when he employed people from Poland they came into work on time, their clothes were nicely ironed, they were polite to customers, didn't take sick days, always reliable, etc Basically their entire work ethic was totally different I'm sure that there are plenty of British people that could have done a brilliant job for this guy had they been able to manage on the wages. How far above minimum wage is bar work ? Not very much I would have thought. If you want decent staff, then you have to be prepared to pay them enough to live on and I would suspect that his rate attracted those at the bottom of the British barrell. This "oh the Polish work so hard and the British are so lazy" stuff is such a crock of shite. This bar manager guy is part of the problem as he's essentially just employing cheap foreign labour and using the "lazy British" as an excuse for his p!ss poor wages. BritishEmpire: As the old saying goes "you pay peanuts you get monkeys" Exactly.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jul 12, 09, 22:05 / #
Is this not illegal?

ArienThreads: 6 Posts: 1,604 Joined: Oct 20, 08	Jul 13, 09, 00:11 / #
I do however, condemn these little idiots who go stabbing foreigners with screwdrivers. I have no sympathy for this kind of behaviour whatsoever. So whatever you choose to do, don't blame these foreigners for your situation. They're poor people just like you, trying to survive just like you. It's the employers (Not ALL employers!) businessmen and politicians who are responsible for all this mess in the first place. (And please don't give me any excuses about how easy it is to blame people up in the office, because they simply are responsible in this case!) Another gory detail: We pay taxes to support agricultural business, but these farmers will not or hire as less Dutch people as possible. So they are the worst parasites I can think of in my society. They're okay with the fact I pay taxes, (For THEM!) but they don't want to hire me? WTF? Is this having a sense of community?? Yeah, I'm pissed off. People like us are being played against eachother here, and the worst part is, some of us actually buy all this crap and get violent to one another. I think better solutions are petitions, researches, questionnaires, and a lot of protesting. (Just like they do in France!) In other words, solidarity. We're decent people right?

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jul 13, 09, 00:22 / #
Arien I condemn all violent attacks on innocent people, regardless of nationality. I blame my government, especially this man.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Edited by: ShelleyS Jul 13, 09, 00:37 / #
dtaylor5632: You could also argue that if the job wasnt applied for within 4 weeks of it being posted in the job center, then the company could have the right to look elsewhere. These are relatively new ruliings, before they brought this in, companies were advertising abroad straight away, therefore not even giving an indiginous English person a chance at applying for the job based in England.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 13, 09, 00:37 / #
Big business does gain through undercutting. The local population loses out but nobody said the world was fair. As best you can, you just have to be yourself and clock in for the ride. I just don't feel that the Poles would do the same in reverse and that's a little disappointing.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Jul 12, 09, 23:06 / #
RevokeNice: Is this not illegal? Well, technically it is, but it happens, a company is not allowed to discriminate based on nationality, sex, age or religion, but as we see, there are companies out there seeking to employ people based on their nationality. Can you imagine if an ad. was posted stating they only wanted English people, oh was a stir that would cause, we'd be called racist and all sorts! Archer2009: He said when he employed people from Poland they came into work on time, their clothes were nicely ironed, they were polite to customers, didn't take sick days, always reliable, etc Gosh how did a country that colonised half the world ever manage before they entered the EU? LOL..

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Jul 12, 09, 23:11 / #
You could also argue that if the job wasnt applied for within 4 weeks of it being posted in the job center, then the company could have the right to look elsewhere.

ArienThreads: 6 Posts: 1,604 Joined: Oct 20, 08	Jul 12, 09, 23:43 / #
dtaylor5632: You could also argue that if the job wasnt applied for within 4 weeks of it being posted in the job center, then the company could have the right to look elsewhere. Bull. I recall numerous visits to the local Job Centre, and they told me on various occasions employers weren't employing at the time, because they didn't have work. I know my area like the back of my hand, and lived here all my life, so ofcourse I found out this wasn't the truth. Truth is, these employers liked the cheap wages, and didn't tell the Job Centre they had work. (Or someone at the Job Centre was lying, because I've also experienced on quite a few occasions that someone at the Job Centre would direct me to a recruitment agency for a job!) bluebird: Most Brits would not work for the lousy wages and poor job security that they offer. I'll be honest, that's probably true in most cases, but I would've preferred a lousy long-term job over a few months of work. (Hey, you have to start somewhere?) Mister H: How far above minimum wage is bar work ? Not very much I would have thought. I don't know about Britain, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was actually below minimum wage. Mister H: If you want decent staff, then you have to be prepared to pay them enough to live on and I would suspect that his rate attracted those at the bottom of the British barrell. Yup.. Mister H: This "oh the Polish work so hard and the British are so lazy" stuff is such a crock of shite. Definitely! It seems it's a trend in all Western European countries? When you think of it though, what more could politicians ask for? You'll get lower salaries, and you'll get rid of those pesky working class people with their complaining about safety, wages, working conditions, rights and ofcourse it helps to exterminate their annoying Trade Unions. I have no problems with a few foreigners who are coming over for work, if there's a place for them. (I mean only to occupy the empty spots!) I have huge problems with this recent development. (I think it started to get extreme somewhere in 2003?) The truth is, we're being replaced and told to stop complaining about it.. ''Get more competitive.'' Okay. So how do we do that if we can't even get, or keep a job anywhere? Study? Yeah sure. So where can I earn money to finance a study? I'm sure that some of you can see it can quickly become a vicious circle. One that's not easy to come out of..

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jul 12, 09, 23:48 / #
ShelleyS Are you Brits being force fed the myth that you "need" the eastern europeans and without them the country would not be able to function? It is laughable. Will UAF be reporting this blatant discrimination? Arien Top post, you hit the nail on the head. Mass immigration only benefit big businesses and politicians. The native working class pay the social costs.

ArienThreads: 6 Posts: 1,604 Joined: Oct 20, 08	Edited by: Arien Jul 13, 09, 00:39 / #
RevokeNice: I condemn all violent attacks on innocent people, regardless of nationality. I blame my government, especially this man Cool, I just want to make sure people speak out against this behaviour at all times. (You know, we had a member here once, called No Immigration, and he thought burning Polish people was something to laugh about.. We can complain about everything, and I don't blame anyone for doing that, but really, I think we should organize ourselves and join our Labour Unions en massé? (I really think that would change atleast something!) Correct me if I'm wrong, but most young people aren't really aware of, or interested in joining their Labour Unions or Trade Unions anymore? (It's one of those things I've noticed around me, and I've gathered that much from the usual bit of conversation!) You just know there's something profoundly wrong with your society when one person recieves a bonus for wrecking a company, and the other gets fired because he or she works too hard! Bertie? Who's that? Seanus: Big business does gain through undercutting. The local population loses out but nobody said the world was fair. As best you can, you just have to be yourself and clock in for the ride. Nobody said the world was fair. Ofcourse. I've heard that one far too many times. So basically you're saying.. It's okay for these people to rip us off? Basically they're stealing from everyone. Oh, and another thing.. You can't build a house without a solid foundation, so if you undermine your local economy, you'll see that it will become everyone's problem sooner or later. ..and probably sooner than you might think!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 13, 09, 00:54 / #
It's not OK and you should know by now that I'm against GBC. The bankers are stealing the whole time and people don't really see it.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jul 13, 09, 01:02 / #
Arien: make sure people speak out against this behaviour at all times. (You know, we had a member here once, called No Immigration, and he thought burning Polish people was something to laugh about.. [quote=Arien] Thats sick, to be honest. Probably just a child. Arien: We can complain about everything, and I don't blame anyone for doing that, but really, I think we should organize ourselves and join our Labour Unions en massé? (I really think that would change atleast something!) I am a member of a union. In Ireland they are in cohoots with the liberal lefties, the media has stiffled all debate on immigration. Anyone who raises the issue and puts their head above the parapet is called a racist. It is the elephant in the room. The unions are too frightened to mention it. But in private, thats a different story. Mass immigration has driven down wages and working conditions for the average worker in Ireland. Yet, the price of rents and services have soared due to demand. Thus creating a bubble. Arien: Correct me if I'm wrong, but most young people aren't really aware of, or interested in joining their Labour Unions or Trade Unions anymore? (It's one of those things I've noticed around me, and I've gathered that much from the usual bit of conversation!) The youth in Ireland are more concerned with their ipods and Fiddy Cents. They are docile and materialistic. The MTV generation. Arien: Bertie? Who's that? Bertie Ahern is a gangster, he is a member of the mass immigration party, Fianna Fail. He is our former Taoiseach(Prime Minister). He left office after his shameful corruption was discovered. He is now a TD(Member of Parliament) A corrup ****. He has a fetish for wearing two inch high heeled shoes. He spends 50,000 euro a year on make up(taxpayer funded) In 1996, he was Minister for Finance, when the recent tribunal asked for his bank details, he claimed he had no bank account at the time! But his behaviour and mistreatment of the victims of the Dublin and Monaghman bombings show him up for the rodent that he is. He used the Dublin Monaghan families as an election gimmick, promised them justice and to open an enquiry, he shafted them within a fortnight of entering office as Taoiseach , and then stayed quiet when all the files disappeared in their entirety with all duplicates from 5 seperate secure gardai(police) locations during his term of office. After he claimed hed had a look at the oul files and there was nothing of interest in them , which was a complete lie otherwise nobody would have went to the trouble of clinically destroying them and all their duplicates. Dublin Monaghan was much worse an atrocity than Bloody Sunday. It mainly targetted Dubliners too as opposed to nordies. He is a scumbag of the highest order and a cancer on Ireland. I bet SeanBM is a fan.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Jul 13, 09, 01:07 / #
YAWN.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Jul 13, 09, 01:15 / #
Arien: Correct me if I'm wrong, but most young people aren't really aware of, or interested in joining their Labour Unions or Trade Unions anymore? You're wrong, most companies dont have trades unions any more in the UK (Thatcher saw an end to them), the larger companies that do have them, have many members old and young. RevokeNice: It is the elephant in the room. The unions are too frightened to mention it. But in private, thats a different story. Mass immigration has driven down wages and working conditions for the average worker in Ireland. Yet, the price of rents and services have soared due to demand. Thus creating a bubble. Its the same in the UK. dtaylor5632: You could also argue that if the job wasnt applied for within 4 weeks of it being posted in the job center, then the company could have the right to look elsewhere. Well since we have more applicants than jobs in this country, its highly unlikely that this is going to happen and I am talking about companies who never advertised the jobs in the UK, they used foreign agencies abroad directly, but like I have said, this is no longer allowed, I wonder how these agencies abroad manage now their direct source has been cut off, having said that, even if someone English applies for a job they dont need to employ them, they can quite happily say "sorry couldnt find the right candidate"

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 13, 09, 01:19 / #
Brits are having a torrid time finding employment. I read a report saying that as many as 150 applications go for basic jobs. I wonder what Alex Salmond is doing to entice Scots back home. It is the year of homecoming but Scotland's job market is dire.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jul 13, 09, 01:20 / #
ShelleyS Are eastern europeans still entering the UK job market? Is there any evidence that they are leaving in large numbers? Is there resentment? Seanus No doubt you can thank mass immigration for that. Bet you get "but we need them" line too. I wonder how the British Isles survived all these years with the eastern europeans and third worlders. We would be still living in mud huts without them, oh wait.......

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Edited by: ragtime27 Jul 13, 09, 01:22 / #
The issue of native labeled as not hard working is a myth,it happens everywhere,even in Poland you get jobs are not done by the native but by other nations(specifically no EU). Eventually the EU market became more homogenised when it come to EU members,not so much for no-EU employees. As an employee I'd love a pay rise,but as an employer doesn't work in my favour,so it's down to the government to regulate the workforce market. The responsibility lies with the governments to raise minimum wages or offer jobs to EU members rather than recruiting from beyond EU,the reason I'm saying EU not Brits,since EU members can work anywhere in EU,therefore you can't deny them jobs.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jul 13, 09, 01:23 / #
ragtime27 That will change in the future, mark my words. Mass immigration cannot survive during a recession. Its like kryptonite.

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Edited by: ragtime27 Jul 13, 09, 01:30 / #
RevokeNice: Mass immigration cannot survive during a recession Yes,it will slow down and start again in boom time. How do you expect Polish mass with no jobs to return to Poland if you compare the welfare system between the two countries.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 13, 09, 01:31 / #
Anyway, as far as the Poles go, many of them fought as much for themselves as for Britain, and there is no proper comparison between a time of European war and the time of peace today. From http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/articles/immig9.html I tend not to buy into nationalistic stuff but there is a half-truth in the above. I don't think that the Poles should necessarily have a fast track to jobs through specialist agencies for them. If their skills and English are good enough, they can go through the process just like we do and use our agencies. Just think, how many Brits would get jobs in Poland in the same vein? I guess I changed a little when I heard some of my students say that they are ready to go to the UK if they get frustrated with Poland. It's just the way they said it. Like it was a bailout option or a dumping ground. Still, I know that the EU has brought this about. Open the floodgates and that's what happens.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jul 13, 09, 01:34 / #
ragtime27 Simple, cut foreign nationals welfare. They are Polish citizens, it is the job of the Polish government to look after them. Not the UKs, not Irelands. One way ticket home. Oh, and before you suggest this is illegal, Germany(you need a work permit to get in there) operates a similar scheme. As does socialist Spain. As does Italy. Seanus We are a dumping ground. It really is that simple. Importing poverty.