Rise in race crimes linked to attacks on Poles

rafik:

yes but i found a very similar ,recent story on interia.pl but it was in polish.the number of attacks on poles has grown significantly in recent months and it will be growing because there is no answer from authorities.attacked dark skinned immigrant make news but a pole?i've never heard anything about such incident on the bbc, itv, ect.sad but true.
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rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Edited by: Administrator Jan 26, 09, 10:26 / #
A GROWING number of attacks on Polish bar workers is being blamed for race hate crimes rising to record levels in Edinburgh. Police are now dealing with an average of three racist incidents every day after another increase in complaints of abuse and attacks. Bar staff and doormen from eastern Europe are now among the most common victims. http://news.scotsman.com/tacklingracisminscotland/Rise-in-race-crimes- linked.3299508.jp no surprise there.it is always better to blame white poles for the crisis than other,dark skinned immigrants(this could make you a racist!) or yourself.very typical for this region of europe.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Jan 26, 09, 10:37 / #
rafik: no surprise there.it is always better to blame white poles for the crisis than other,dark skinned immigrants(this could make you a racist!) or yourself.very typical for this region of europe. I'm sure the Pakistanis already got their part of bashing. Plus, it's not them that flood the UK in such great numbers in recent years. PS: Good to see you back here on PF. :)

lukimp80Threads: 3 Posts: 109 Joined: Dec 1, 08	Jan 26, 09, 10:48 / #
You guy's ought to try living in America. Our cities have all been abandoned due to white flight. There is no living with them.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jan 26, 09, 12:00 / #
A former workmate of mine made the mistake of stepping into an altercation between a man and his girlfriend on a station platform that was turning nasty. Because the violent man was of another colour, when the police arrived, my former workmate was arrested, charged and found guilty of racially-motivated affray. Incidents like this add to the numbers of so-called racially-motivated crimes. It undermines notions of equality. On the other hand, I am yet to see trouble between Polish and British people with my own eyes. That doesn't mean I don't believe it exists, but I do rhetorically ask: "What makes news?"

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Jan 26, 09, 12:51 / #
The quote from the Opening post is dated June 2007. rafik: very typical for this region of europe. The quote is from the paper "The Scotman", I take it the region of Europe you are referring to is Scotland ? Mr Chojnowski, who has been based in Edinburgh for eight years, said he had never been subjected to racism. He added: "Unfortunately, there are people who will give abuse to bar staff regardless of whether they are from eastern Europe or if they are local."

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Edited by: rafik Jan 26, 09, 13:20 / #
szkotja2007: ated June 2007. yes but i found a very similar ,recent story on interia.pl but it was in polish.the number of attacks on poles has grown significantly in recent months and it will be growing because there is no answer from authorities.attacked dark skinned immigrant make news but a pole?i've never heard anything about such incident on the bbc, itv, ect.sad but true. 2008 http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/daniel-kawczynski-po les-in-the-uk-are-under-attack-its-got-to-stop-815370.html

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 26, 09, 13:34 / #
I can imagine some racists attacking immigrants but I think it's as Szkotja said. Remember, these people are idiots, best left ignored.

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Jan 26, 09, 13:38 / #
Seanus: best left ignored. this is the worst.let it be ignored and it will spread very quickly.most of the poles in the uk are fine but this problem seems to be ignored by your authorites.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Edited by: time means Jan 26, 09, 13:42 / #
rafik: ignored by your authorites. not at all the cops are really big on hate crime. anyway the link you have put up is at best a year old and the first one even older.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Jan 26, 09, 13:44 / #
If you want fantastic headlines you will love this one. "Massive rise in racist attacks" [url=http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/7975/Ma ssive_rise_in_racist_attacks.html][/url]

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,869 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER	Jan 26, 09, 14:28 / #
i'm sure many bartenders and bouncers get hassle from p*ssed up clients everywhere in the world, regardless of their nationality. what's with this self pity thing among Polish people, always crying that they are victims and everybody hates them. have you personally been assaulted cos of your nationality, rafik? there are racist idiots everywhere, but i'm sure that British bar staff get just as much abuse if they refuse to let the culprits into a bar or serve them alcohol. that's the risks this job brings, especially in a large, busy city such as Edinburgh. get over it.

jacob_89Threads: - Posts: 38 Joined: Oct 5, 08	Jan 26, 09, 15:09 / #
That's because Poles are an easy hate object: Europeans, white, mostly catholics. If the same would happen to black people, muslims or Indians... how racist would it be !

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 26, 09, 15:48 / #
Idiots provoke ethnic tension, this is nothing new. There are Scots who live in council flats and skyscrapers that are nutjobs. Scotland has more than its fair share of irritating and brutal neds. Wasters on drugs. However, it is better to see things in context with the fullest picture possible.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08	Jan 29, 09, 02:53 / #
A British friend of mine got attacked in Poland waiting in a queue for some fast food. The cops, of course, just stood and watched. Someone who helped my mate up told him th yobs had been talking about how they used to fight with the Brits in UK. Seems they heard his British accent...

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Edited by: time means Jan 26, 09, 13:50 / #
no probs. copied and pasted it. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/01/14/girl-brutal ly-beaten-during-aberdeen-night-out-because-of-english-accent-86908-21 039487/ here`s another very recent one.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Jan 26, 09, 13:58 / #
rafik: yes but i found a very similar ,recent story on interia.pl but it was in polish.the number of attacks on poles has grown significantly in recent months and it will be growing because there is no answer from authorities.attacked dark skinned immigrant make news but a pole?i've never heard anything about such incident on the bbc, itv, ect.sad but true. 2008 Maybe it's just the area I live in, but I don't tend to hear about racial attacks on anybody of any background While I'm not in any way condoning such attacks, maybe when someone decides to move countries, they should be a little more "clued-up" about the places they are moving too ? Some places will always have problems, whether it's the locals picking on each other or on foreigners, so better to leave them to it and live somewhere else.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Edited by: time means Jan 26, 09, 14:04 / #
Mister H: a little more "clued-up" about the places they are moving too ? very true, often where the housing is cheapest and even most decent locals would not like to live.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 26, 09, 14:13 / #
The police can't be everywhere at all times.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Jan 26, 09, 14:16 / #
every nation has it`s dicks.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Jan 26, 09, 14:29 / #
Seanus: The police can't be everywhere at all times. The thing is, as Osiol may have alluded to, its the Police that are registering these as race attacks. From the last link I posted the force's detection rate for racist crimes was currently more than 90 per cent. Go figure.

Lotnik767Threads: 6 Posts: 210 Joined: Nov 12, 08	Jan 26, 09, 15:42 / #
Blacks and Muslims are the trouble makers in England and they are destroying the country from with in!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Jan 26, 09, 15:44 / #
Lotnik767: Blacks and Muslims are the trouble makers in England and they are destroying the country from with in!!!!!!!!!!!!! =/ what a generalization

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Jan 26, 09, 16:24 / #
Lotnik767: Blacks and Muslims are the trouble makers in England and they are destroying the country from with in!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the award for sweeping generalisation of the day goes to............

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Jan 29, 09, 03:32 / #
rafik: no surprise there.it is always better to blame white poles for the crisis than other,dark skinned immigrants(this could make you a racist!) or yourself.very typical for this region of europe. It's alright they hate the English too :) Bloody Scots :) Matyjasz: PS: Good to see you back here on PF. :) Seconded :)

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Jan 29, 09, 07:49 / #
Trevek: A British friend of mine got attacked in Poland waiting in a queue for some fast food. The cops, of course, just stood and watched. Someone who helped my mate up told him th yobs had been talking about how they used to fight with the Brits in UK. Seems they heard his British accent... Why didn't the police help ?

LoveHateUThreads: 1 Posts: 28 Joined: Jan 28, 09	Jan 29, 09, 09:14 / #
Lotnik767: Blacks and Muslims are the trouble makers in England and they are destroying the country from with in!!!!!!!!!!!!! rafik: it is always better to blame white poles for the crisis than other,dark skinned immigrants You all sit on your computers and see someone bring up racially motivated topic and You all say nothing. Good. I must say that I am in this forum to defend race groups who are racially abused. If you can stand me, then we can trash it out here with words. I am also here to educate people about other races and how to accept other races. If you are also against that I am not backing out of war of words with you or you all.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Jan 29, 09, 09:18 / #
LoveHateU: I am also here to educate people about other races and how to accept other races Educate me about the Scots.

noimmigration	Jan 29, 09, 09:26 / #
szkotja2007: Educate me about the Scots. The scots are not a race of people, niether are the poles. however the nazis thought that the poles were an inferior subhuman race. However we know that thats not true. So lets learn from the past.

LoveHateUThreads: 1 Posts: 28 Joined: Jan 28, 09	Jan 29, 09, 09:40 / #
szkotja2007: Educate me about the Scots This world has only one race...and i dont care what wikipedia tells you. That race is the HUMAN RACE. Irrespective of different skin colours...we all have the same parts that make up the human being. No one is inferior to the other and no one is superior to the other too. Scots are not different from Poles neither are German different from the Indians, or Mexicans different from Blacks. This is the mistake we made a long time ago in the 17 century when we invaded Africa and Asia...We made them look like they were animals, we took them in ships and killed them. The Nazis also made this mistake, saying that poles are inferior. But this is totally false. We know better, now lets ACT better...and stop this racial abuse on this forum.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Jan 29, 09, 09:41 / #
noimmigration: The scots are not a race of people, niether are the poles For classification of race crimes they are. Now go and learn something- I'm not paying you for sitting on your plooky erse looking at PF all day.