90,000 Scottish Immigrants in Poland!

scarbyirp:

Would it surprise you to know that in the 17thcentury, upwards of 40,000Scots (some figures state 60-90,000) immigrated to Poland? Religious persecution during the protestant reformation led many to leave to a clime which was religiously tolerant (by law since 1573). For others, their reasons were simple: a hope of improving their standards of living thus providing greater prospects for their futures.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Apr 10, 08, 13:06 / #
osiol: Pictish (whatever that means) Painted people - a lot of "celtic" designs are actually Pictish. I would say I am more of a Pict than a Scot. Due to looks and geography.

MaliThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 10, 08, 13:10 / #
osiol: Pictish odd...wtf is Pictish... osiol: Anyway, southern Scotland was in Roman times inhabited by Brythonic speakers (Welsh) rather than Goidelic speakers (Scots, Irish). So Scotland's heritage is a mixture of Welsh, Irish, Pictish (whatever that means), Roman and Saxon... and Viking... and Norman... and Polish (ha ha!) None of this surprises me because Polish and Slavic people have a long history with the Saxons, Vikings and Normans. Its also why this part of Europe Austria upwards is a lot `whiter` than other parts of Europe.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Edited by: osiol Apr 10, 08, 13:12 / #
szkotja2007: I am more of a Pict than a Scot A wearer of woad then? Will you be changing your name to Piktja2008 and getting a nice new Piktja to go with it for your avatar? Mali: odd...wtf is Pictish... Try reading this- Piktowie.

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,345 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Apr 10, 08, 13:32 / #
Mali: odd...wtf is Pictish... The 'good guys (and one Keira Knightley)' in 'King Arthur' movie.

MaliThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Apr 10, 08, 13:34 / #
osiol: Try reading this- Piktowie. Thanks! I read the English version because the Polish would take me all day and tomorrow :) Bartolome: The 'good guys (and one Keira Knightley)' in 'King Arthur' movie. Oh good, so they're not villains :)

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,345 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Apr 10, 08, 13:38 / #
Mali: Oh good, so they're not villains :) I'm not sure. They paint themselves blue, and that's the colour of Rangers Football Club.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Apr 10, 08, 13:41 / #
Of course they are the good guys - they tended to be taller and fairer than the Scots. Bartolome: They paint themselves blue, and that's the colour of Rangers Football Club. You have been in Glasgow too long Bart, you should go north young man - sample the real Scotland !

OscypekThreads: - Posts: 116 Joined: Jan 11, 07	Edited by: Oscypek Apr 10, 08, 13:55 / #
scarbyirp: Would it surprise you to know that in the 17thcentury, upwards of 40,000Scots (some figures state 60-90,000) immigrated to Poland? Religious persecution during the protestant reformation led many to leave to a clime which was religiously tolerant (by law since 1573). For others, their reasons were simple: a hope of improving their standards of living thus providing greater prospects for their futures. This is not surprising. Many things like this happened in the past. Have a look at this from another thread: http://www.polishforums.com/index.php?action=search&loc=1&forum=28&top ic=13890&page=246737 "From 1670 to 1710, between 40,000 and 50,000 (French) Huguenots moved to England." At the time the population of England was 5,240,000. See this site for more information. oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php% 3Ftitle=1720&chapter=77639&layout=html At this time it is thought that 400,000 Polish people have moved to the UK where the current population is about 60,587,000. See this site for confirmation: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=6 It is also thought that one in every four English people have French Huguenot ancestry. These sites have more information on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/london/article_1.shtm

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,345 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Apr 10, 08, 13:58 / #
szkotja2007: You have been in Glasgow too long Bart, you should go north young man - sample the real Scotland ! Sure thing - when the wet season finishes and the slightly less wet season starts :)

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Edited by: isthatu2 Apr 10, 08, 18:31 / #
incubus: i`m one of the poles with scotch in their blood. ok i meant with scotch blood in their veins :P If your serious about tracing your Scottish heritage,do us all a favour and stop talking about Scotch...Scotch is a drink,the word you are looking for is Scots. Matyjasz: Is the term walla an english term? No,bubba spelled it wrong Im afraid,the word he is refering to is 2Wallah",ie tea wallah,,House Wallah etc,its from one of the Indian languages and like so many words in current use in the UK comes from the days of the RAJ. Like kahki and bungelow and shuftie and kharzi etc etc.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 11, 08, 04:08 / #
Maybe he has Scotch in his blood, LOL. Now, as for heritage, that's another matter

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Apr 11, 08, 08:20 / #
isthatu2: No,bubba spelled it wrong Im afraid wal·lah also wal·la: One employed in a particular occupation or activity: a kitchen walla; rickshaw walla URL

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Apr 11, 08, 10:57 / #
incubus: in the first part of my sentence i meant scotch as whisky and in the second part i mean scotch blood as in scottish blood. Probably we'd say "I have Scots/Scottish blood" rather than "Scotch". We generally say we're Scottish or Scots, some people do take offense at being called "Scotch". :)

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Apr 11, 08, 11:01 / #
PolskaDoll: Probably we'd say "I have Scots/Scottish blood" rather than "Scotch". We generally say we're Scottish or Scots, some people do take offense at being called "Scotch". :) i didn`t know that. sorry, i didn`t mean to offend anyone :) always thought scottish = scotch

GroundedThreads: 4 Posts: 117 Joined: Jun 2, 07	Apr 11, 08, 03:46 / #
szkotja2007: You have been in Glasgow too long Bart, you should go north young man - sample the real Scotland ! I agree, "Glasgow with Style" is a joke. Go north or venture ten miles towards west where you'll find a neat little town they call Paisley :-)

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Edited by: incubus Apr 11, 08, 07:35 / #
isthatu2: If your serious about tracing your Scottish heritage,do us all a favour and stop talking about Scotch...Scotch is a drink,the word you are looking for is Scots. and could you please do me a favour and think before you actually say something? in the first part of my sentence i meant scotch as whisky and in the second part i mean scotch blood as in scottish blood. Scotch \Scotch\, a. [Cf. Scottish.] Of or pertaining to Scotland, its language, or its inhabitants; Scottish. [1913 Webster] aw man you need an effin immigrant to teach you your own language @_@ Seanus: Maybe he has Scotch in his blood, LOL. Now, as for heritage, that's another matter lol... if you`re talkin about me then please note that the `he` is actually a `she` :)

SophiaThreads: 1 Posts: 145 Joined: Apr 8, 08	Edited by: Sophia Apr 11, 08, 08:13 / #
ffs why not everyone from southern Scotland move north. Hehe Scotch in the blood :)

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Apr 11, 08, 08:17 / #
isthatu2: No,bubba spelled it wrong Im afraid,the word he is refering to is 2Wallah",ie tea wallah,,House Wallah etc,its from one of the Indian languages and like so many words in current use in the UK comes from the days of the RAJ. Like kahki and bungelow and shuftie and kharzi etc etc. Ahh, I understand. Thanks for the info. :)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 11, 08, 11:06 / #
There is vilage Szkocja (Scotland) in noth east Poland pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szkocja_(województwo_podlaskie) name comes form Scottish settlers (19th century) till today there is a lot of red haired people. This process was made by Ludwik Michał Pac who brought Scottish, English and German imigrants. And vilages had names coming from places of their origin. Szkocja, Linton, New York (dziś: Pruska Wielka), Bromfield (Józefowo), Longwood (Ludwinowo) i Berwick (Korytki) some have their old names some today have different.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Apr 11, 08, 11:07 / #
incubus: i didn`t know that. sorry, i didn`t mean to offend anyone :) always thought scottish = scotch I don't think you offended anyone. I wasn't offended anyway. :) Scotch is a drink that the Scots like to drink :)

SophiaThreads: 1 Posts: 145 Joined: Apr 8, 08	Apr 11, 08, 11:13 / #
PolskaDoll: I don't think you offended anyone I wasn't either :)

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Edited by: incubus Apr 11, 08, 11:16 / #
Lukasz, looks like you have a lot of information about the subject of scottish immigrants in poland in 16-17th centuries. if there`s anything you know about the scots settling in around the poznan area, particularly the ostrow wielkopolski area then i would be grateful if you could share it with me, please :) PolskaDoll, i used to have a scottish teacher (teaching english in my hometown) and when i told him that i like scotch with coca cola he almost got a heart attack :)

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Apr 11, 08, 11:27 / #
wow, that`s cool. they`re keeping their scottish heritage over there alive

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Apr 11, 08, 11:28 / #
incubus: PolskaDoll, i used to have a scottish teacher (teaching english in my hometown) and when i told him that i like scotch with coca cola he almost got a heart attack :) Haha, yes, it would most likely be taken straight or "on the rocks" :) Lukasz: So we have Scotland in Poland It's not surprising :)

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Edited by: incubus Apr 11, 08, 11:35 / #
PolskaDoll: Haha, yes, it would most likely be taken straight or "on the rocks" :) i knew one polish girl from warsaw i used to work with, she was a proper barmaid (acutally bar manager), she knew a lot about drinks, coctails, wine etc and she introduced me to scotch with ginger beer. i must admit, it goes well together. personally i`m too sensitive to drinking scotch straight (and other spirits) so i have to have it mixed but that girl was tough, she would pour it straight into her mouth like a canister.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 11, 08, 11:37 / #
incubus: wow, that`s cool. they`re keeping their scottish heritage over there alive form article I have read comes that rather not ... they brought some scots for festival (kind of fun or to see their roots) ;) incubus: Lukasz, looks like you have a lot of information about the subject of scottish immigrants in poland in 16-17th centuries. if there`s anything you know about the scots settling in around the poznan area, particularly the ostrow wielkopolski area then i would be grateful if you could share it with me, please :) http://forum.histmag.org/index.php?topic=3393.msg108143 main discussion is about Dutch imigrants in Poland, later there are some informations abour Sctotish settlement in Poland. as to Poznan there was so many immigrants comming from different countries ... I don't know detalis. There are some infos that among Germans, Hungarians, Italians were Scots (I don't know details)

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 9, 08	Apr 11, 08, 11:45 / #
many thanks, Lukasz :)

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Apr 12, 08, 06:59 / #
Several tens of thousands of Scots settled in the area around Danzig in the early to mid C17 due to religious strife in Scotland and religious tolerance in Poland at the time. Napierkowski, for example, is a Polonised Scots name.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08	May 21, 08, 16:16 / #
There wer a fw Scots came over to Poland for the Northern Crusades (with the Teutonic Knights). Szkotowo, near Nidzica was founded in 1348. Nidzica was founded later by the Teutons. The website electricscotland.com has 3 old books which have information about Scots in Poland/Germany/Prussia (they are from 1902, 1903, 1916 so they talk about Gdansk, Poznan etc as being in Germany). Another book worth reading is "Agents of Change: Scots in Poland 1800-1918" by Mona K McLeod (Tuckwell Press 2000). For those who wonder about clans, not all Scots names are connected to clans, particularly if they are lowlanders, as many settlers were.

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	May 22, 08, 04:11 / #
szkotja2007: the name Wallace may mean "Welsh", or possibly 'foreigner' So Scotlands biggest hero was a foriegner....he was probably a Geordie:)