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Sharia Law gets 'OK' in Britain


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  Sep 16, 08, 09:53 /  #
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1687576.ece

No words...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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  Sep 16, 08, 09:57 /  #
!!!

Earlier this year, Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams suggested that the use of Sharia in Britain “seems unavoidable”.


!!!

No "Battle of Britain" this time...
shopgirlThreads: 7
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  Sep 16, 08, 11:05 /  #
Do people in Britain accept this?
If it becomes acceptable to have two legal systems (which this appears to be the start of that trend) in Britain, where will it spread to next?
Captain ScarletThreads: 4
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Edited by: Captain Scarlet   Sep 16, 08, 13:15 /  #
As is say's at the moment it's just for Muslim civil cases but i fear this is the tip of the iceberg . This country is being run by the politically correct brigade and in recent years there has been much " bending over backwards " to appease everyone apart from if you are English and employed . I have no problem with any religion/race , it's the Goverment to blame but whoever we vote in thing's won't change the die is now cast .
McCoyThreads: 46
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  Sep 16, 08, 13:23 /  #
nice done al-england


osiolThreads: 59
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  Sep 16, 08, 13:23 /  #
shopgirl:

Do people in Britain accept this?

No.

If it becomes used, all it SHOULD take is a legal "test case" to throw out any decisions made by a sharia "court" to deny the legality of this system. Who is there to protect muslims from muslims?

I'm not an expert on legal matters. Now, I know of someone on PF who's actually studying law!
Shawn_H   Sep 16, 08, 13:26 /  #
osiol:

I know of someone on PF who's actually studying law!

or is that allegedly?
shopgirlThreads: 7
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  Sep 16, 08, 13:26 /  #
What is the "idea" behind this?
Why is there any perceived need for a specialty system?
Why is the "law of the land" not good enough?
Is this a mixing of "church and state" in a way?

I just don't understand.
Captain ScarletThreads: 4
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  Sep 16, 08, 13:34 /  #
shopgirl:

Why is the "law of the land" not good enough?


Because they think it's racist . All so-called minority group's have a law of their own , and if they do get arrested they accuse the police of racism
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  Sep 16, 08, 14:17 /  #
shopgirl:

Do people in Britain accept this?

We've got a Prime Minister nobody voted for
shopgirl:

If it becomes acceptable to have two legal systems (which this appears to be the start of that trend) in Britain, where will it spread to next?

Exactly
Captain Scarlet:

Because they think it's racist . All so-called minority group's have a law of their own , and if they do get arrested they accuse the police of racism

When in Rome...If they don't like it......
miranda   Sep 16, 08, 14:27 /  #
Daisy:

We've got a Prime Minister nobody voted for

how did he got elected then?
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  Sep 16, 08, 14:39 /  #
miranda:

how did he got elected then?

Each party has their own rules for electing a leader. members are nominated for election, then the members of that party and, in the case of Labour all members of unions affiliated to Labour get to vote, only the opposition to Brown was silenced, he got a few to nominate him, but without opposition, he got in without having to be voted in. A large number of labout MPs want to get rid of him, as do a lot of the electorate, but the rules make it dificult to get rid of him, he's sacking anyone from the cabinet who opposes him. Another Labour MP has resigned today because of him....The Torys have different rules for electing and removing leaders, it was much easier for them to get rid of Thatcher.
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  Sep 16, 08, 15:50 /  #
shopgirl:

I just don't understand.

you will as soon as your head rolls off the block.
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  Sep 16, 08, 16:00 /  #
All this scares the h out of me.

Why go to the UK to escape oppression, if it is just going to allow you to have your own legal system, so the oppression can continue as before...
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  Sep 16, 08, 16:06 /  #
looks like they give in to nonsense requests as easily as Canada... that's too bad.
loco polacoThreads: 3
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  Sep 16, 08, 17:15 /  #
Canada bucked it, not gave in and in the process the jewish arbitrators were discontinued.
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  Sep 16, 08, 17:24 /  #
The idea comes from the fact that religious groups think they should have the right to use there religious laws in any country. The uk already has different legal systems, i.e the scottish legal system is vastly different to the english one. but both are based on the law of common sense (hard to believe i know). Sharia law is the same Christian law, in that the religious person believe he cannot be punished for commiting a crime, which is not part of his religion. many laws in the uk were based on religious laws of the past , over time these have been destroyed. I dont think the UK would accept it, it would mean one law for each religion, which is impossible in a multi-cultural country like it.
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Edited by: Lukasz   Sep 17, 08, 18:43 /  #
I support this solution. If there is such big muslim community. Why not ? Nobody is forced to use this court. We had in Poland separate courts for different religous groups. If somebody is not satisfied he/she can always go to normal court. If they need court for muslim mariages or something like that...

I watch with curiousity UK and its legal soultions.
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  Sep 17, 08, 18:53 /  #
If one decision can be overruled by another court, then any differences could be overruled. What legitimacy could it possibly have then? I'm no expert on law or sharia law, but various people's rights could be at stake here. Not everyone has access to the legal system, because of age, language, maybe other (non-legal) reasons.
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Edited by: Lukasz   Sep 17, 08, 19:19 /  #
We have legal system based on Roman law. There is no leading cases, every single case is taken separatly without looking on similar one. Much different than in USA I am not sure how does it look in UK.

I am looking with curiousity on this changes in UK.

I would say for British people

Una atque eadem voce lex omnibus loqui debet

(However ...)

Lex est, quod populus iubet atque constituit


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  Sep 17, 08, 19:48 /  #
To many Muslims, Sharia is not "Islamic law" at all. There are many Muslims who oppose and do not recognize Sharia. In a recent article, Alex Alexiev, Vice President of Research at the Center for Security Policy, points out that Sharia law is not "Islamic law", except as interpreted by Islamists. Alex Alexiev states "shariah is mostly a post-Quranic, man-made medieval doctrine that is almost completely at odds with modern norms of human rights, political freedoms and international relations... and shariah doctrine, though claiming to be derived from the Quran, is thus a politicized interpretation of the Muslim scriptures and other non-revealed sources.

Lukasz:

Lukasz

There are ethnic Polish moslems in the North-East aswell... I would say they are many (relative to the christian population... a good amount). But they are completely different from Moslems at other parts of the world. They have been friends to the Christian Poles from ancient time... very ancient.

I find it very unfortunate that some parts of moslem communities in other part of the world feel so down that they have to rebel. Why not our population?...I think we treat them better?...or are they genetically peaceful?.. they have mosques here... they are the best in army... and noted as a strong community.
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  Sep 17, 08, 23:18 /  #
so, what are the chances, if you were in a muslim country that you could choose to be tried by the laws of your own/different country??
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  Sep 18, 08, 00:28 /  #
King Sobieski:

so, what are the chances, if you were in a muslim country that you could choose to be tried by the laws of your own/different country??

None!

Lukasz:

I support this solution. If there is such big muslim community. Why not ? Nobody is forced to use this court

What about the 'victims' of Sharia law?

In the UK, murders have sometimes taken place after a family has reacted violently to their son or daughter taking on the trappings of western culture. Killings are often disguised as suicide, fire or an accident.


Police believe there may be as many as 12 honour killings in the UK every year. They will typically occur within Asian and Middle Eastern families when a person is believed to have 'dishonoured' their loved ones.


Full article here
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  Oct 26, 08, 16:47 /  #
As with the Stock Market, at some point their will be a 'Correction' in this Country.

The Muslims burned any good will they had with us on 9/11.
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  Feb 23, 09, 13:49 /  #
nice done al-england


very weird.how is it that everytime they show somebody carrying a banner thats glorifying islam the wrong way the subjects have their faces fully covered.i was reading an interesting article which highlighted the fact that it was mi5/6 agents almost always carrying these banners at these gatherings(marches) and then the fotos are conveniently taken and plastered across the tabloids inciting more hatred towards muslims and that is the ultimate agenda.
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  Feb 23, 09, 13:52 /  #
free palestine:
i was reading an interesting article which highlighted the fact that it was mi5/6 agents almost always carrying these banners at these gatherings(marches) and then the fotos are conveniently taken and plastered across the tabloids inciting more hatred towards muslims and that is the ultimate agenda.

Fascinating. Source ?
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  Feb 23, 09, 14:06 /  #
Grzegorz_:
Fascinating. Source ?

Nothing you'd have read, Sun boy
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  Feb 23, 09, 14:45 /  #
It's quite funny I was watching The Big Question yesterday (debate prog) and it was covering muslim issues in the UK, firstly some extremist tried to quote from the koran and was told by another member of the panel to basically shut up because he obviously couldn't speak arabic :)

http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/eng/mediacoverage/media.htm

To watch the prog, click on external link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hvtbc
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Edited by: IronsE11   Feb 23, 09, 15:22 /  #
Daisy:
We've got a Prime Minister nobody voted for

Didn't the Labour party vote for him?
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  Feb 23, 09, 16:15 /  #


I still don't understand why Britain denied Mr. Wilders access to the country because he supposedly is inciting hatred. Watch this intervieuw, watch Fitna if you want to, and then tell me how exactly Mr. Wilders is inciting hatred. He's only debating the extremes in Islam, and questioning if that is the way forward in Europe.

He's actually not far-right, has no ties to extreme-right winged parties or movements whatsoever. He's a liberal, and he has an outspoken opinion on Islam. He makes a clear distinction between the Islamic ideology as a whole and the Muslims as individuals. He also makes a pretty clear distinction between the ideology and race, so it's not racist to have such an opinion, it's not an attempt to incite hatred, and it's not an attempt to blame every Muslim individually for the extremes in Islam. He, along with a lot of other people, just doesn't want this culture to become dominant in Europe. So get it straight, you're not dealing with a Nazi here, you're dealing with someone who is concerned about the extremes in Islam.

This discussion is not about race, we're not talking about deportation and gas chambers here, it's about our culture, and our right to exercise freedom of speech.

I only have one problem with Mr. Wilders though, which is that I think you have to be consistent. If you call the Koran a fascist book, you might aswell call the Bible and the Torah a fascist book, because really these books show a lot of similarities in their content if you ask me. I think this is a form of hypocrisy, and perhaps Mr. Wilders would think that Christianity and Judeaism are superiour when compared to Islam, which I obviously do not agree upon.

To make a long story short, I do know what Sharia law means, and we don't want that here, and we shouldn't want that anywhere if you ask me. I just don't understand why politicians of a Western country who say that they believe in democracy, and freedom of speech, can deny a politician access to their country, and accuse him of inciting hatred and hate speech, when he's only pointing out the obvious. I really fail to understand their reasons, because it seems that they've been showing the movie Fitna anyway, but still decided to put a ban on Mr. Wilders.

It's a good thing that they're concerned about the possibility of social disorder, but really I think the British parlement could've shown a little more courage. They're actually denying a politician his right to exercise freedom of speech, and if I may speak freely, for no good reason.

Just watch the intervieuw, and then you can tell me if he said anything along the lines of ''All Muslims are evil.'' No, he just has opinion, which is that he thinks that Islam is a fascist doctrine, which I do agree upon. Just keep in mind that I think every religion is a fascist doctrine, because the meaning of fascism is that in a sense, you follow one role model, or a leader, or a doctrine, and exclude the rest of the people who refuse to.

Spanish inquisition anyone?

:)

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