Strain on rent relief as 32,000 foreigners claim aid

citizensinformation.ie:

Tax relief at the standard rate of 20% on private rented accommodation is available whether your landlord lives in Ireland or abroad. In 2008 the tax relief on rent is as follows (also applies in 2009):

Age Single Tax Allowance Married/Widowed Tax Allowance
Aged under 55 years (max. relief) €2,000 €4,000
Aged over 55 years (max. relief) €4,000 €8,000
To calculate what this is worth to you each year after tax, you multiply the tax allowance amounts above by 20%. So, for those aged:

Under 55: the maximum amount a single person under 55 can get is €400 (€2,000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009. The maximum amount a married couple or widowed person can get is €800 (€4000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009.
Over 55: the maximum amount a single person over 55 can get is €800 (€4,000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009. The maximum amount a married couple or widowed person can get is €1,600 (€8,000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,765 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jul 28, 09, 14:52 / #
32,000 Foreign people from 163 different countries get Rent Relief here. I wonder are any of them the ones that fly into Ireland every month to get their dole money. Recent figures, compiled when there were 89,000 claimants, show that 32,000 -- more than one third -- are non-nationals. They show 7,638 Poles, 2,886 Nigerians, 2,108 Lithuanians, 1,512 Romanians and 1,318 Latvians among the highest categories of non-nationals being paid the benefit. People from 163 countries and territories, excluding Ireland, get the rent supplement. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/strain-on-rent-relief-as-32000 -foreigners-claim-aid-1843632.html Time to end this lunacy, we cannot afford this type of "diversity". Are there even 7,638 Irish in Poland? Well there are that many Polish families in Ireland getting their rent paid for them, child allowance, medical cards, free education, not to mention 50,000 Poles getting 204 on welfare euro each week from the Irish taxpayer. The Irish people are subsidising mass immigration. Mass immigration is a curse. Ireland for the Irish!

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Edited by: daffy Jul 28, 09, 16:39 / #
citizensinformation.ie: Tax relief at the standard rate of 20% on private rented accommodation is available whether your landlord lives in Ireland or abroad. In 2008 the tax relief on rent is as follows (also applies in 2009): Age Single Tax Allowance Married/Widowed Tax Allowance Aged under 55 years (max. relief) €2,000 €4,000 Aged over 55 years (max. relief) €4,000 €8,000 To calculate what this is worth to you each year after tax, you multiply the tax allowance amounts above by 20%. So, for those aged: Under 55: the maximum amount a single person under 55 can get is €400 (€2,000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009. The maximum amount a married couple or widowed person can get is €800 (€4000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009. Over 55: the maximum amount a single person over 55 can get is €800 (€4,000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009. The maximum amount a married couple or widowed person can get is €1,600 (€8,000 x 20%) for rent paid in 2009. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/housing/renting-a-home/ta x_relief_for_tenants So the avg person can save €400 per year in tax and family on avg can save maximum €800 per year - considering rent for an avg per MONTH is in excess of €600 and family is nearer to €1,000 per month. And 2/3 of the total allowance goes to IE Citizens its grand - to change this allowance for Irish perons only does not save this economy anything near what could be saved by axing 17,000 civil service jobs and actually getting the civil service to perform proper value for money. The rent relief exists for any person paying income tax in Ireland - so to get rent relief, you must be paying Income in Ireland - so overall we are taking in 1/3 more income tax from foreigners and they are getting €800max off tax in rent while still paying €thousands more to the Dept of Finance - so overall Ireland is winning - stop scaremongering tactics. To make this clear - to get rent relief in Ireland - you must pay income tax in Ireland. As Income tax will always exceed the reliefs - the more people paying income tax in Ireland the better - so they get a small relief in Rent - Ireland still comes out better for it :)

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 28, 09, 16:41 / #
RevokeNice: Mass immigration is a curse. As was demonstrated to the inhabitants of the USA when they let the Irish in.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jul 28, 09, 16:46 / #
Harry: As was demonstrated to the inhabitants of the USA when they let the Irish in. oh no, that was completly different and all fault of English ppl apparently...:)

moonlightThreads: 7 Posts: 115 Joined: Nov 10, 08	Jul 28, 09, 17:30 / #
RevokeNice: Rent Relief daffy: tax relief on rent I think RevokeNice is talking about rent supplement benefit and not rental tax relief.

NeinNeinThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Edited by: NeinNein Jul 28, 09, 18:25 / #
Harry I'm sorry but you simply cannot compare the Irish immigration in America to the Polish or other immigration in Ireland. The Irish helped build and shape America into what it is today and many Americans are proud of their Irish heritage. They worked hard and helped build the most powerful country and economy in the world. Polish people, however, entered Ireland en mass and offered cheap,low quality labour to greedy builders. Effectively "taking jobs", although the natives could certainly lower their prices, most would be ashamed to construct houses to the poor standard that the Poles have done. Let us not forget to mention where the money was going also i.e a huge chunk exiting the country and going straight back to Poland. Not only did they "come and take jobs", Poles, for the most part, have failed to integrate into Irish society. A lot have, granted, but there are thousands of Poles who've created a Polish community here and believe they're back home in Poland, as opposed to integrating. We now have a situation where we have thousands upon thousands of unemployed Polish people claiming social welfare, rent relief, rent supplements etc and putting a massive strain on our economy. This is the thanks the country gets for allowing them to come work here? I mean, how many countries in Europe turned their back to Polish employment? The overwhelming majority did, and in retrospect it's a shame Ireland didn't either. What are these people clinging to our country hoping to achieve? Considering every Pole I've talked to talks about how great and cultured Poland is and how awful Ireland is, why can't they just go home and let us use the money on rebuilding our economy, rather than supporting their unemployment? The Irish who went to America, or the UK for that matter, did an awful lot for the country (ies), what have the Polish done for Ireland? Except provide men who couldn't get a woman with easy access to sex, that is. Nothing. And to add insult to injury, they're hanging around claiming benefits because they know that the truth of the situation is that nowhere else will have them, and Poland is (despite what they may say), a **** hole.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jul 28, 09, 18:32 / #
NeinNein: Considering every Pole I've talked to talks about how great and cultured Poland is and how awful Ireland is, Really? "....every Pole"? Amazing as every Irish person I've spoken to tells me the same thing about Ireland. Must be something in the water eh?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jul 28, 09, 18:34 / #
NeinNein: NeinNein Is that you RevokeNice? hahaha

NeinNeinThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Jul 28, 09, 18:36 / #
Yes, every Pole. They all moan about Ireland and speak so highly of "home", yet they'll never f**k off back there. Irish people may moan about the Government, the weather etc, but they obviously don't hate the country, as can be confirmed by the rise in nationalism over the past year and which will undoubtedly continue for the foreseeable future.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Jul 28, 09, 18:37 / #
NeinNein: The Irish helped build and shape America into what it is today from what i heard polish votes can help to reunite Ireland

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 28, 09, 18:39 / #
Although I tend not to favour the positions advocated by RN, Nein Nein has a good point here and it makes me angry. They talk about their home country as a kind of paradise but stay well away because of the money. Very sad really! No real cultural appreciation :( Yet more stretching of important funds :( Tone it down, guys, or go back home if it's so great.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 28, 09, 18:49 / #
Speaking Polish in an English-speaking environment is just not on. Linguistic skills should be required and shown abroad.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,765 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jul 28, 09, 18:53 / #
daffy I used the exact headline the Indo used. Why would they get "rent relief" confused with "rent supplement"? Go figure. The paper of record, indeed. Matowy Indeed, America is inhabited by a lot of "plastic paddies". The question is, how come nobody really is proud of being Polish-American? Something to ponder on. Seanus Press 1 to communicate in english. Press 2 to communicate in irish. Press 3 for deportation.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jul 28, 09, 19:01 / #
NeinNein: there's a lot more people with growing anti-Polish sentiments in Ireland than just myself, RevokeNice and the others Yeah - the others: paypal, harvey, arnoldlane, georgedillon, kimchi and twtone. Forgive me if I missed a lot of your recent monikers, but I don't post on politcs.ie anymore, and you probably had about a dozen different usernames since I left Ireland last year :)

NeinNeinThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Jul 28, 09, 18:38 / #
SeanBM I suppose you're one of those desperate, ugly little men who think all Irish women are stuck up their own arse and that the new Polish "beauties" are a gift from the Gods since it's the first time in your life you've got more action than what your hand can provide?

NeinNeinThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Jul 28, 09, 18:40 / #
McCoy A lot are against a United Ireland. I'm one of them and I hope, in my lifetime, to never see the financial, social and economical burden that is Northern Ireland cast on the Republic.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jul 28, 09, 18:42 / #
NeinNein: NeinNein OH MY GOODNESS, IT IS YOU REVOKENICE. HAHAHAHA. You have had to log in as someone else to back up your "views", wow man that is just sad, really really sad.

NeinNeinThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Edited by: NeinNein Jul 28, 09, 18:43 / #
Seanus Absolutely. Either start smiling and proving a cupla focal deas about Ireland or ** off elsewhere. Although the only viable option would be back to Poland as no other country really wants any more Poles...! The mere fact that they'll speak Polish to eachother in the work place, amongst English speakers, says more than needs to be said. SeanBM** No, I'm afraid to disappoint you but I'm not RevokeNice and I'm sure a moderator could confirm that by cross referencing IP addresses. However, your little "OMG HAHA" response has only proven that you are indeed the type of Irish man I described above, so at the end of the day it's you who I feel sorry for. You might be surprised to find that there's a lot more people with growing anti-Polish sentiments in Ireland than just myself, RevokeNice and the others that appear to post on this forum and that the sentiment is not founded on looks, colour or anything else aesthetic, but their attitude towards Irish people and towards the country as a whole.

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09	Jul 28, 09, 18:49 / #
NeinNein: The Irish helped build and shape America into what it is today And that's a good thing... ? NeinNein: many Americans are proud of their Irish heritage. Yeah, I know what you mean. Those Americans who had a great-great-great-great uncle who saw an Irish person once. Get real. They know nothing of Ireland, have never been to Ireland, have never met an Irish person, don't even know that Irish is a language, can't point Ireland out on a map, have no idea what Ireland or its people are like... yet they boast on about their pride in their Irish heritage. You do know that these people are just morons who are so ashamed of being American that they try and make themselves look more interesting and exotic by playing up their ancestry? Some of these fools even go so far as to refer to themselves as "Irish", or whatever. It's a good laugh, if you can look past how pathetic it is.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Jul 28, 09, 18:58 / #
NeinNein: I'm afraid to disappoint you but I'm not RevokeNice yes you are hahaha And now everyone can clearly see it.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,765 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jul 28, 09, 19:00 / #
SeanBM Moderators, can you put this silly little mans mind at rest please?

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,765 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jul 28, 09, 19:02 / #
Torq Proof of this slav?

NeinNeinThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Jul 28, 09, 19:02 / #
Matowy Er, yes it is a good thing. With the exception of the influence of religion on Government and George W Bush, however you can't blame the Irish for him really. It's interesting how you claim so many Americans are ashamed to be American, yet there isn't a country in the world as patriotic. It's not false or pretense patriotism such as that of the Poles either. Seanus I absolutely agree. In previous work-places it was banned, however recently I've found that a lot of employers won't take an Anti-Polish (language) stances in the workplace for fear of being branded "racist", similar to how our Government won't take action regarding the continued immigration to our country out of the same fear. It's rude and disrespectful yet no Pole seems to have an issue with it.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jul 28, 09, 19:02 / #
My 10 year old nephew can do that RN, no need to be shy, it is as clear as day who you are. I am surprised you have done it already though, thought you might have waited until you were banned.

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09	Jul 28, 09, 19:02 / #
RevokeNice: Indeed, America is inhabited by a lot of "plastic paddies". The question is, how come nobody really is proud of being Polish-American? Something to ponder on. I don't know, I was under the impression that Americans are stupidly prideful about their ancestry no matter what it is. There have been a few on these forums, even.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jul 28, 09, 19:02 / #
NeinNein and Revokenice seem like the same person to me as well. Different IP adresses mean nothing or indeed floating IP adresses.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jul 28, 09, 19:04 / #
NeinNein: there's a lot more people with growing anti-Polish sentiments in Ireland than just myself, RevokeNice and the others Yeah - the others: paypal, harvey, arnoldlane, georgedillon, kimchi and twtone. Forgive me if I missed a lot of your recent monikers, but I don't post on politcs.ie anymore, and you probably had about a dozen different usernames since I left Ireland last year :) RevokeNice: Torq Proof of this slav? You are the proof of it yourself, sickfuc*k :)

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,765 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jul 28, 09, 19:04 / #
Matowy Theres nowt to be proud of mate. Polish immigration into the United States is on par with Irish immigration into the country. Yet ten times as many Americans claim Irish ancestry than Polish. Makes you wonder, huh? niejestemcapita Yet we are posting at the same time, from different ips.

NeinNeinThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Jul 28, 09, 19:06 / #
SeanBM Yes well with every post you're merely showing that you're hurt that I hit the nail on the head above with my observation of your desperation. It's ok buddy, there's plenty of other Irish men who couldn't get laid like yourself either, just be glad some poor Pole had standards low enough that you actually looked attractive, while every other woman sneered at you. Torq: I've never posted on Politics.ie and the moderators can happily prove this is my first and only account here. I know the truth hurts, guys, and that it's hard to take, but I'm merely just saying what a huge amount of people here are thinking.

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09	Jul 28, 09, 19:07 / #
NeinNein: It's interesting how you claim so many Americans are ashamed to be American, yet there isn't a country in the world as patriotic. I worded it badly. I wouldn't say they're ashamed of being American, per sé, but ashamed more of being typically average Americans. Thus, they attempt to negate this using their "exotic" ancestry links. A lot of Americans are actually ashamed of being identified as American in recent years. They're quite aware now of just how many people are tired of them. And yeah, you're right about them being the most nationalistic nation on Earth. Nationalism is stupid, no matter which way you look at it. Clearly they're try to make up for something.