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Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Over 46 percent of Poles are convinced that anti-Polish sentiments are on the increase abroad, according to a poll by GFK Polonia.

The opinion poll was commissioned following a growing level of racially motivated attacks against Poles and other central and eastern Europeans in Northern Ireland and some other areas of the UK.

Eighteen percent of respondents claim they had personally experienced anti-Polish sentiments, while 45 percent said they not come into contact with it.

A body of a 29-year-old Pole was discovered by emergency services in a flat on Cliftonville Road in Belfast nine days ago. This followed a letter sent to Polish, Muslim and Indian community centres in Northern Ireland from the violent neo-Nazi Combat 18, calling for them to get out of the country.

In a letter to the British government and Council of Europe, Poland’s Ombudsman, Janusz Kochanowski wrote that: "Racially motivated threats and attacks against Poles seem to be more common in the United Kingdom,” and called for action to stop the assaults.

“More and more Poles are travelling abroad, many looking for jobs. It’s there that they often meet with a dislike towards them,” says sociologist professor Zdzislaw Krasnodêbski.

http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/international/artykul112807_polono_ phobia_on_the_increase__says_poll.html
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Kind of ironic that Poles are now becoming the victims of racism, eh?
tornado2007Threads: 20
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To be honest with you i would not say it is either growing or on the decrease, the people who did not like the Poles (immigrants) in the first place will not have changed their minds. People of that opinion are not going to have their minds changed either, you will find that its not just Poles they pick on, its all immigrants.

There will always be a percentage of society that dislikes certain other elements of society, on the other hand the majority of people are more than willing to have people come to the UK. The anti-polish feeling is probably part of the bigger picture which is 'anti-immigration' and in some cases people are just frustrated at the lack of a decent immigration policy in my country.

There are those of us who are intellegent enough to realise that it is not the fault of the visitors to the UK, it is in fact the fault of the government for not putting in place a decent immigration policy. I do feel sorry for the membe states of the EU, who by law are legally allowed to move freely throughout the UK.

Personally i have not problems with Poles or any other immigrants who come to the country, i will not pigeon hole people on their nationality, its just not the done thing. However what i will say is that i do not want people in this country who do not benefit the UK as a whole, if your coming here to work or to complete your education then the doors are wide open. If on the otherhand your coming to spounge of the state then you can do a 180 and go back to where you came from, regardless of your nationality, religion, origin etc etc.

I think that the 'hate toward Poles' is actually a 'dislike of mass immigration' the Poles along with the rest of the immigrants (from where ever they come from) all fall into the category of 'immigrants' and therefore are targeted by certain members of society.

Conclusion: Its not a 'hate of Poles' its a 'dislike of immigrants'
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Polonius3:
A body of a 29-year-old Pole was discovered by emergency services in a flat on Cliftonville Road in Belfast nine days ago.

Was that the one who was killed (alledgedly) by his Polish wife and Polish brother in law?
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I think alot of it is total bollocks to be honest. Where I live the Polish are quite accepted in the local pubs / clubs /community etc. We have problems with the ******* and paki's but not the Polish.
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markcooper:
We have problems with the ******* and paki's

I'm intrigued by what ******* means? Such remarks might upset a few on here.
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Jay24:
I'm intrigued by what ******* means?

bankers
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Jay24:
Such remarks might upset a few on here

Not exactly an unkown phenomenon here, is it? :)
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markcooper:
I think alot of it is total bollocks to be honest. Where I live the Polish are quite accepted in the local pubs / clubs /community etc. We have problems with the ******* and paki's but not the Polish.

so you are a selective racist then LOL
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Darn, you all got in before me.
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SeanBM:
Darn, you all got in before me.

Early bird catchee monkey SeanBM.

It's an interesting OP. My perception is that most European immigrants are not enduring much of a problem in most parts of England but to see the results of a survey like this it would appear that there is a change in their own perceptions. I guess it would be more evident in smaller communities with a high concentration of immigrants. On the other hand I don't think any one country of origin would stand out much in the bigger cities.
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aphrodisiac:
so you are a selective racist then LOL

LOL no one likes a greedy racist
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szarlotka:
bankers

yes, I would worry about those more these days:).

I don't know if the anti-Polish sentiments are on the rise, but it is possible that in the difficult economic times they are more pronounced. It would be good to see the comments of people who actually live in the UK at present.
Jay24:
LOL no one likes a greedy racist

that is another thread all together;)
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I think torny really hit the nail on the head from what he said. I'd qualify it only slightly by saying that some seem to have a dislike of the Poles, almost intuitively and without reason. I can imagine some disliking the ostensible narcissism of some Poles. I have heard some Polish kids say they have the best of virtually everything and I told them that they are still yet to go out into the world and should reserve judgment until they can make a fair and well-rounded comparison/evaluation.

Still, hatred is rather a strong word when confronted with narcissism as most just laugh it off, knowing better :)
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They were never liked, they were tolerated. No the recession is hitting hard people no longer tolerate them. Not rocket science really. When such numbers move into a country it puts massive strain on all sectors.
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aphrodisiac:
people who actually live in the UK at present.

well i live in the UK and i stand by my original post, while Poles may recieve grief, it does not centre around their nationality, its just because they are a part of a group 'immigrants' and are in the firing line along with the rest.

Seanus:
I'd qualify it only slightly by saying that some seem to have a dislike of the Poles

I would agree with that, there are always going to be a select few (Minority) who attack the Poles for being Polish, i was not denying that but talking about the main reason for a high percentage of the abuse/attacks.
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All Poles claim Poland is better than the UK and Ireland. If they are getting so much abuse, why not go home? I would not stay in a country where I was hated.
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Its an inferiority complex that exacerbates eastern Europeans feelings of inferiority.
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It's connected to self worth and threats. Some are paranoid that others can do a better job than them and thus potentially displace them. Some got a nasty wake-up call by not accepting some job centre positions and Poles slotted in rather nicely. No offence to young Brits but they are waaaaay too image conscious if I can put forward a generalisation. They wouldn't be seen dead doing certain jobs but every person has their place and, if you don't seize it, it will be seized for you.
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RevokeNice:
All Poles claim Poland

Bollocks, I claim that UK and Ireland are better than Poland. That's why I'm gonna move there.
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RevokeNice:
why not go home?

well it seems alot are going home these days. I wouldn't say the Poles are hated here, just there are too many immigrants in general. Agree with Tornado that we sshould admit this without descending to a personal level.
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tornado2007:
the main reason for a high percentage of the abuse/attacks.

The fact that they represent the largest proportion of Economic Migrants, means they have a higher profile too.

Certainly, the media, when addressing such issues, never fail to include Polish migrants in their stories. Thus they reinforce negative sterotyping.
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What a crap story - how is the mans death related ?
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RevokeNice:
All Poles claim Poland is better than the UK and Ireland. If they are getting so much abuse, why not go home?

I must admit, they do say this, i give them the option of going home and then the conversation seems to stop there :):) Poles are proud people and are sometimes blinded by this fact, If Poland was that great then there would have been no need to flood into the UK like they did when they became part of the EU family.

Robert A:
Certainly, the media, when addressing such issues, never fail to include Polish migrants in their stories. Thus they reinforce negative sterotyping.

the media can bend anything which way they like, they do not need the input of the UK population to do that, do not think the people of the UK thing what the UK media is writting. They are two totally different elements.
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szkotja2007

The Poles was murdered by a fellow Pole, yet the Polish groups use it to make a political point. Typical, really.
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tornado2007:
the media can bend anything which way they like,

That was the point I made. The manipulative and the ignorant use media coverage of economic migrants to incite & pepetuate hatred of migrant minorities. As such they are not "toally different elements".
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tornado2007:
well i live in the UK and i stand by my original post, while Poles may recieve grief, it does not centre around their nationality, its just because they are a part of a group 'immigrants' and are in the firing line along with the rest.

sorry, I meant the Poles who presently reside in the UK.
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Robert A:
they are not "toally different elements".

yeah if your talking about the stupid, however the majority do not do this so cannot be counted as the same element
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Robert A:
The manipulative and the ignorant use media coverage of economic migrants to incite & pepetuate hatred of migrant minorities

tornado2007:
however the majority do not do this

Which part of my post did you not understand, or was not sufficently explicit for you?

Perhaps, I should be asking, " What version of English are using today?". I will try to accommodate you.
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Robert A:
Certainly, the media, when addressing such issues, never fail to include Polish migrants in their stories. Thus they reinforce negative sterotyping.

first off how was i meant to draw from that, the media point of view is followed/not followed by only the stupid and ignorant before you mentioned it in your reply to my post. There is nothing wrong with my understanding of English i just cannot look into future posts :)

Robert A:
That was the point I made. The manipulative and the ignorant use media coverage of economic migrants to incite & pepetuate hatred of migrant minorities. As such they are not "toally different elements".

no no you made the point 'here' about the 'manipulative and the ignorant' use the media, not before.

Robert A:
Which part of my post did you not understand, or was not sufficently explicit for you?

Perhaps, I should be asking, " What version of English are using today?". I will try to accommodate you.

so there was no need for that :)
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