Views of Poles in UK on Bulgarians/Romanians coming here?

Quoting: z_darius

Lukasz has actually a good point there.

All nations have criminals but the statistics you linked to are deceiving. They show total numbers of crimes committed by nationals of various countries, but they fail to translate those numbers into per capita figures.

Let's use Home Office official data (URL, page 11) to complement those cited by you and let's compare Lithuanians, Poles and Romanians

Poles:
62% of immigrants , 2310 crimes , 37 crimes per 1%

Lithuanians
12% of immigrants, 856 crimes, 71 crimes per 1%

Romanians
less than 0.5% of immigrants, 1087 crimes, 2174 per 1%

Do you still think Poles are really the worst offenders among the immigrant in the UK?

postieThreads: 9 Posts: 123 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Nov 5, 07, 20:04 / #
I've heard it said a few times by Poles already here, that there are now too many Poles here. It kind of makes sense, in that the job market is saturated, in some places. But it's now looking like there may be a similar influx of Bulgarians and Romanians into the UK. From what I've heard from Poles here and what they say about Bulgars and Romanians, which is quite negative, would they be welcomed by our newest immigrant population??? Or seen as competition? My own view (using Dambuster's Law, where if i ask a question, then i must also provide my view) I think the Bulgarians and Romanians may come here for a different reason than to look for work... maybe as an easy option. I think there should be a quota system... and this goes against everything i normally believe in.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Nov 5, 07, 20:15 / #
I m not Pole form UK ... but I have been to Romania in summer 2006. Romanias are really ok. There is one problem ... Gipsies. I m not racist but after seeing difference between native Romanians and Gipsies I have to say that it is whole problem with Romania. Italians have enourmous problems with Gispsy Romanians ... I think it is result of Romanias policy in the past and that is why Gispy Romanians are so different form native ... Just read what is happening now in Italy http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7073873.stm Italian expulsions worry Romania Italy clears an illegal camp housing Romanians An illegal camp housing Romanians has been dismantled near Rome The prime ministers of Italy and Romania are to meet in Rome on Wednesday in an effort to defuse tensions over Italian deportations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7079769.stm

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Nov 6, 07, 03:48 / #
Quoting: Lukasz Lukasz so do you agree with the above links? If so how would you feel if the UK brought about such a law - because recent figures showed that 1 in 5 crimes commited in London were committed by Polish people, which you have to agree is quite a high proportion.

postieThreads: 9 Posts: 123 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Nov 6, 07, 04:33 / #
Quoting: ShelleyS so do you agree with the above links? If so how would you feel if the UK brought about such a law - because recent figures showed that 1 in 5 crimes commited in London were committed by Polish people, which you have to agree is quite a high proportion. Hmmm... I don't think the UK Govt would necessarily need to bring in such a law. Reading those links, it seems the EU already has a policy in place where one EU country can expel people if they're deemed to be detrimental to the nation (health/security/economics). I guess it would be a change in "policy" more than a law. And it reads to me that it can't be done wholesale against a nation (e.g, all Romanians to be expelled) , but on a case by case basis. It'd need an army of immigration officials to implement it and realistically, that's not going to happen knowing the UK Govt.

jareck8	Nov 6, 07, 05:55 / #
Quoting: Lukasz I have been to Romania in summer 2006. Romanias are really ok. There is one problem ... Gipsies. I m not racist but after seeing difference between native Romanians and Gipsies I have to say that it is whole problem with Romania. Italians have enourmous problems with Gispsy Romanians ... I think it is result of Romanias policy in the past and that is why Gispy Romanians are so different form native ... to be honest poles will have a problem becasue of our uprbingin, it is not as toelrant as other europeans, therefore there will be a clash, in uk everyone is accepted as human (apart from muslim people these days) but in general uk is tolerant, romanisna and bulgarians should be allowe din equally as others

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Nov 6, 07, 06:07 / #
Quoting: ShelleyS so do you agree with the above links? If so how would you feel if the UK brought about such a law - because recent figures showed that 1 in 5 crimes commited in London were committed by Polish people, which you have to agree is quite a high proportion. I dont live in UK but I have seen this stats about Poles in UK, and crimes they commit are mainly not dangerous one ... Do I belive in this stats ... in some way yes I do, but I have written poste above to defend Romanians becuse they are normal civilizated society. Their culture is similar to Italian, French, Spanish (they are their relatves) the difference is that they are poor. What is important most of this crimes arent commited by native Romanians but Gipsies, I have been there and have seen diference between this two groups of Romanian citizens ... contrast is really sharp. I dont want to analize this situation but just go to Romania and you will see. I can add some photos I have done there ... if sb is interested

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Edited by: Grzegorz_ Nov 6, 07, 06:11 / #
Quoting: ShelleyS 1 in 5 crimes commited in London were committed by Polish people More of Polonophobic bullshi*tes spread by British media psychopats.

jareck8	Nov 6, 07, 06:15 / #
Quoting: Lukasz if sb is interested please put some on, do you think it is approriate for romanian governemtn to differentiate between romanisna and gypsis Quoting: Grzegorz_ More of Polonophobic bullshi*tes spread by British media psychopats. Screw british. there will be crime becasue of the influ of people, same way there is crime in england commited by brits

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Nov 6, 07, 06:18 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ More of Polonophobic bullshi*tes spread by British media psychopats. Screw british. ????

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Nov 6, 07, 06:19 / #
Quoting: jareck8 there will be crime becasue of the influ of people Is that 1 in 5 ? What's per capita crime rate ? How does It look like compared to other nationalities and natives ? I will tell you, in most cases It is much better than average but what the hell, better spread Polonophobic bs. Screw british trash.

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07	Nov 6, 07, 07:09 / #
Maybe due to the large amounts of acid wash denim they're being charged with fashion crimes.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Nov 6, 07, 09:56 / #
It has to be remembered that not all crime is reported in the first place. Also, I am a criminal myself, often driving a little over the official speed limit! It all depends on what and how you register crime figures. You certainly can not compare armed robbery to stealy a toothbrush in a Tesco store but figures as such, do not reflect these differences. In some instances these so called Poles, may be other former Eastern Europeans with 'bought' Polish passports and may not be true Polish people at all..

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Nov 6, 07, 12:16 / #
Nice pictures of a large country, even bigger than Poland if I am right. I should try to visit it some time.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Nov 6, 07, 06:27 / #
Quoting: jareck8 please put some on,do you think it is approriate for romanian governemtn to differentiate between romanisna and gypsis All I know they have problem ... as to pic I will put them at night ...

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 6, 07, 06:27 / #
<div class="quoting">Quoting: Grzegorz_ Is that 1 in 5 ? What's per capita crime rate ? How does It look like compared to other nationalities and natives ? </div> The whole notion is bul$hit anyway. Crime rate has been falling in UK for the past few years. If crime rate has anything to do with immigration, the trend would counter the "1 in 5" claim.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Nov 6, 07, 06:37 / #
Quoting: Lukasz ???? What ? Do you agree that "1 in 5 crimes commited in London were committed by Polish people " ?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Nov 6, 07, 06:38 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ What ? Do you agree that "1 in 5 crimes commited in London were committed by Polish people " ? I dont ...

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Nov 6, 07, 06:52 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ What ? Do you agree that "1 in 5 crimes commited in London were committed by Polish people " Obviously they have included GBH crimes in this - that's gorgeous bodily hugs and not grievous bodily harm. Maybe breaking hearts is a crime too these days.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Edited by: ShelleyS Nov 6, 07, 07:10 / #
All I was doing was merely making a point and Doggie I hope you are not trying to say I'm anti Polish?

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Nov 6, 07, 07:16 / #
this one is for you doggie, you wanted to know who was committing the crimes :) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/23/ncrime 123.xml

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Nov 6, 07, 07:23 / #
Quoting: ShelleyS his one is for you doggie, you wanted to know who was committing the crimes :) what you should notice ... amout of Poles in UK, there is much more Poles than Lithueanians or Romanians in UK ... so it is logical they commit more crimes just because Poles have biger society there

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Nov 6, 07, 07:36 / #
Quoting: Lukasz so it is logical they commit more crimes just because Poles are biger miniority Oh thats okay then!

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Nov 6, 07, 07:50 / #
as to London when we look on figures presented by Office for National Statistics in London, we can see that imigrants are 31% of its citizens and they commit 20% of crimes ...

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Nov 6, 07, 07:53 / #
Quoting: Lukasz as to London when we look on figures presented by Office for National Statistics in London, we can see that imigrants are 31% of its citizens and they commit 20% of crimes ... Which proves an earlier point that we Brits work harder.. even our criminals are more productive.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 6, 07, 08:11 / #
Quoting: Lukasz Quoting: ShelleyS his one is for you doggie, you wanted to know who was committing the crimes :) what you should notice ... amout of Poles in UK, there is much more Poles than Lithueanians or Romanians in UK ... so it is logical they commit more crimes just because Poles have biger society there Lukasz has actually a good point there. All nations have criminals but the statistics you linked to are deceiving. They show total numbers of crimes committed by nationals of various countries, but they fail to translate those numbers into per capita figures. Let's use Home Office official data (URL, page 11) to complement those cited by you and let's compare Lithuanians, Poles and Romanians Poles: 62% of immigrants , 2310 crimes , 37 crimes per 1% Lithuanians 12% of immigrants, 856 crimes, 71 crimes per 1% Romanians less than 0.5% of immigrants, 1087 crimes, 2174 per 1% Do you still think Poles are really the worst offenders among the immigrant in the UK?

db1874Threads: 10 Posts: 251 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Nov 6, 07, 08:36 / #
I think the news article that the '1 in 5' quote comes from was actually that 1 in 5 crimes in the UK is committed by a foreigner, and the Poles were the largest group of criminals amongst the foreigners.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Nov 6, 07, 09:04 / #
Quoting: z_darius Lukasz has actually a good point there. All nations have criminals but the statistics you linked to are deceiving. They show total numbers of crimes committed by nationals of various countries, but they fail to translate those numbers into per capita figures. Let's use Home Office official data (URL, page 11) to complement those cited by you and let's compare Lithuanians, Poles and Romanians Poles: 62% of immigrants , 2310 crimes , 37 crimes per 1% Lithuanians 12% of immigrants, 856 crimes, 71 crimes per 1% Romanians less than 0.5% of immigrants, 1087 crimes, 2174 per 1% Do you still think Poles are really the worst offenders among the immigrant in the UK? I actually give up, because it would seem that its okay for Poles to committ crime in the UK because there are more of them than any others from Eastern Europe.. Has anyone got the stats on how many British people living in Poland committ crimes there :)

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07	Nov 6, 07, 09:28 / #
Quoting: ShelleyS I actually give up, because it would seem that its okay for Poles to committ crime in the UK because there are more of them than any others from Eastern Europe.. The point you seem to be making is that the crime rate has gone up because a million Poles have come to the country. I think the point other people are making is that a Pole is no more likely, in fact less likely, to commit a crime than anyone else. Your point seems to tell us something about people in general whereas the others point tells us more about Poles in particular.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Nov 6, 07, 09:37 / #
Quoting: ShelleyS All I was doing was merely making a point You were making crap, not any point and you better learn how to read in your own language.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Nov 6, 07, 11:41 / #
Romania by Lukasz ;) I have to say that it was interesting trip ... House of Gipsy Gangster ;) (it isnt joke ...) Houses of Gispsy soldiers ;) and town I have noticed that situation in towns is ok in big towns you can find restaurants and pubs, but country looks really poor. Society is separated, gipsies stick to gipsies and rest live their own life ...