Anti-white racism in America ?

freebird:

what are you talking about? Do you live in the US? If so for how long? You're trying to say that blacks are more qualified than whites, what a crap. The fact is, some blacks are qualified and some whites are too but this ain't the point. I'm talking about discrimination between black and white, period. No jobs or anything else involved, just the people themselves. If you disagree with my point then it only shows me that you've never experienced the reality of life in the US. It used to be like that, whites discriminated blacks but in the meantime it has changed the other way around. I'm talking here about the case that you can read like an open book if you live here. The truth is, the blacks are showing off much more with their hatred toward whites than ever before.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Edited by: Moderator May 30, 09, 17:48 / #
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/us/10scotus.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 Is that true ? The last time the city offered a promotional exam, he said in a sworn statement, he gave up a second job and studied up to 13 hours a day. Mr. Ricci, who is dyslexic, paid an acquaintance more than $1,000 to read textbooks onto audiotapes. He made flashcards, took practice tests, worked with a study group and participated in mock interviews. Mr. Ricci did well, he said, coming in sixth among the 77 candidates who took the exam. But the city threw out the test, because none of the 19 African-American firefighters who took it qualified for promotion. That decision prompted Mr. Ricci and 17 other white firefighters, including one Hispanic, to sue the city, alleging racial discrimination.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	May 30, 09, 18:20 / #
Unfortunately it is true. There have been many instances where white cops, firefighters, and other public employees have been passed over because of race (they were white). It's also true that many schools used affirmative action programs to enroll non white students who graded below their fellow white classmates. This is no secret. Affirmative action has also been frequently used in private industries because the government put pressure on companies to hire "quotas". Of course all this social engineering goes against common sense and logic but that does not stop the radical left from continuing to pressure employers to hire in a "diversity" vein. People most affected by these unfair outcomes have been the white immigrants who arrived in the U.S. after WWII. They did not have 'special' government programs to aid them although some private charities were helpful. White Americans of western European stock were generally already settled in the U.S. and had deep financial roots by the 3rd or 4th generation. Of course these were the same people whose ancestors were responsible for slavery as well as other forms of discrimination. Many of them are what one would call "guilt ridden white liberals".

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	May 30, 09, 18:26 / #
ZIMMY: Unfortunately it is true. But this is racism...

nunczkaThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Sep 13, 08	May 30, 09, 18:30 / #
Grzeg. If you think that is bad.. Read this. http://stopsocialism.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/charges-against-new-blac k-panthers-dropped-by-obama-justice-dept/

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole May 30, 09, 18:31 / #
I feel sorry for anyone with problems like those who can't get promoted, regardless of race. I don't think it's racial, more them not being able to pass the tests for whatever reason. But, it's like, you gotta have them skills for the job. If a white guy's illiterate and got promoted anyway just because he's white and they felt sorry for him I would be annoyed because it means an idiot got promoted to do a job he aint qualified for.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	May 30, 09, 18:32 / #
Yes, it is racism pure and simple. ...but it's racism from the liberal side of the political spectrum and in this age of "political correctness" that seems to be acceptable especially by main street media, public employees and of course the democratic party which has been the catalyst for these programs. (I'll admit that the first affirmative action program began under Nixon, a republican, but it got way out of hand under the democrats). Obama's new Supreme Court nominee is an advocate of affirmative action. All of Obama's picks will be.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole May 30, 09, 18:41 / #
Illiterate people should be the last to be promoted imo but they are usually THE FIRST regardless of race, white black whatever. It's because they know they have that weakness so they go out of their way to make up for it in other areas. They ingratiate themselves to people and get promoted because they "are good team players". A lot of times they don't have the skills for the jobs, tho. They don't know what they are doing, make mistakes and mess things up. But yeah, their people skills are great!

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	May 30, 09, 19:28 / #
Grzegorz_: Is that true Yes, All companies either public or private are forced to be an Equall opporitunity employer They have to hire so many Blacks, hispanics, asians or they can get sued for discrimation. It doesnt matter who is more qualified for the jobs. Most city and states jobs you can only get through nepotism. We have a Miss Black USA pagent and also a Miss Latino but if we had a Miss White USA pagent,,We would be called racist, its such a double standard over here.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07	May 30, 09, 19:30 / #
don't forget the Black Expo.. no honky one though.

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Edited by: sledz May 30, 09, 19:38 / #
And some of these workers are the Lazzzziest people on the planet, they just want free money,,,, and food stamps, HUD ( free housing) thats wht I hate paying taxes! plk123: no honky one though. ok dont get me going...lol

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	May 30, 09, 20:05 / #
PlasticPole: They have to hire different races and ethnicities but they don't have to promote them. Why should someone who cannot read be promoted where they supervise others? I emphasized that part of your comment because it is false. Affirmative action programs include promoting minorities. Companies have been pressured to report what percentage of their employees are minority and female and what percentage are in management. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) oversees hiring by private and public companies. In some instances the EEOC will demand a certain numerical figure (goal) that the company in question must meet by a certain date. Of course these programs are a one-way street. When I visited the EEOC in Chicago (years ago), everyone in the office was African American. There was no affirmative action for white employees in that department. The whole concept of affirmative action is unjust and bizarre. As I've previously pointed out, the people most negatively affected by it are white ethnics (Poles, Italians, Irish, etc).

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,105 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER	May 30, 09, 22:59 / #
sledz: It doesnt matter who is more qualified for the jobs. Your'e right. I've seen many uneducated, unskilled workers obtain a promotion merely because of their ethnicity or the color of their skin. They're always the first to run and cry discrimination, when they don't get their way in the world of business; quite pathetic! Honk if you love PF :)

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	May 31, 09, 00:21 / #
Even in socialistic Europe there is no such government introduced racial discrimination. Although some states discriminate men.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	May 31, 09, 00:26 / #
lesser: Even in socialistic Europe there is no such government introduced racial discrimination I've heard that's not true in France. All the good jobs automatically go to the French whether they're better qualified or not. I'm friends with some Jamaicans and they told me that was the case. I guess that's not race but more nationality.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole May 30, 09, 19:42 / #
sledz: They have to hire so many Blacks, hispanics, asians or they can get sued for discrimation. It doesnt matter who is more qualified for the jobs. Yeah but that's hiring practices. They have to hire different races and ethnicities but they don't have to promote them. Why should someone who cannot read be promoted where they supervise others? I demand my supervisor be able to read better than I can! You would be surprised at how much this happens. I don't think they should be promoted if they cannot pass that test regardless of who they are. It happens with whites as well. There's nothing more annoying than working for someone who is dumber than you are! We have anti-smart promotional practices in this country. As if intelligence is virtually meaningless.

nunczkaThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Sep 13, 08	May 30, 09, 20:22 / #
plk123: don't forget the Black Expo.. no honky one though. Lets not forget the Black Congressional Caucus.. If the white tried that we would be called racist. Obama is flying to New York to take his wife to dinner and a broadway play today.. COST TO THE TAXPAYER $130.000.00 Liberty and justice for all

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	May 30, 09, 20:22 / #
Grzegorz_: Anti-white racism in America ? ain't no questionmark to it, nowadays blacks are the real racists in the USA. I'm glad, someone has finally touched this subject on this forum. I don't deny that there are still some white people disliking blacks but blacks are making loud comments about it and get away with it. Whites are not allowed to make any racist remarks toward blacks without being punished.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	May 30, 09, 21:12 / #
freebird: nowadays blacks are the real racists in the USA. It's not about blacks being racists. It's about people who are not qualified getting jobs they do not have the qualifications to do properly. Entry level is one thing but you have to be able to do certain things proffeciently to boss others around.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	May 30, 09, 23:02 / #
beckski: They're always the first to run and cry discrimination, when they don't get their way in the world of business; quite pathetic! That might be true but I have seen plenty of unqualified whites do the same thing when they don't get promoted only they don't say "you're racist" they just whine and file grievances instead. It's a problem among all races. That's why tests scores are so important. It's the only way to be sure the smart ones get promoted and the smart ones are the ones who should run the show, imo.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	May 31, 09, 00:34 / #
scrappleton: I've heard that's not true in France. All the good jobs automatically go to the French whether they're better qualified or not. I'm friends with some Jamaicans and they told me that was the case. I guess that's not race but more nationality. Yes this is not racial. The US discriminate its own citizens.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	May 31, 09, 00:40 / #
lesser: The US discriminate its own citizens. Yes, it appears so and to the detriment of US society. This is very hard to justify especially when they're using a standardized test. No blacks qualified for the job after they took the test so no one got the firemen job. One might think you want the best qualified person and not race in a job like that. I agree whole heartedly that would constitute racism.

roboghostdogThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: May 20, 09	May 31, 09, 00:51 / #
A illuminati conspiracy perhaps? I mean, what other explanation can there be.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	May 31, 09, 01:42 / #
roboghostdog: A illuminati conspiracy perhaps? I mean, what other explanation can there be. Their philosophy and creed is "nobody's perfect" so they give the job to the guy who's got the most kids even if he cannot read and write.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	May 31, 09, 01:50 / #
PlasticPole: Their PlasticPole: they yeh but who??

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	May 31, 09, 01:54 / #
niejestemcapita: yeh but who?? the illuminati. They run the show and are in charge of all the new hires but no one's supposed to know.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	May 31, 09, 04:04 / #
PlasticPole: It's not about blacks being racists. It's about people who are not qualified getting jobs they do not have the qualifications to do properly. Entry level is one thing but you have to be able to do certain things proffeciently to boss others around. what are you talking about? Do you live in the US? If so for how long? You're trying to say that blacks are more qualified than whites, what a crap. The fact is, some blacks are qualified and some whites are too but this ain't the point. I'm talking about discrimination between black and white, period. No jobs or anything else involved, just the people themselves. If you disagree with my point then it only shows me that you've never experienced the reality of life in the US. It used to be like that, whites discriminated blacks but in the meantime it has changed the other way around. I'm talking here about the case that you can read like an open book if you live here. The truth is, the blacks are showing off much more with their hatred toward whites than ever before.

shopgirlThreads: 7 Posts: 1,446 Joined: Apr 6, 07	May 31, 09, 04:10 / #
PlasticPole: That's why tests scores are so important. It's the only way to be sure the smart ones get promoted and the smart ones are the ones who should run the show, imo. But even eduacators admit that there is no way to come up with a test that is completely free of culture bias or race bias. So then what? For example, there was a guy who wrote an intelligence test geared toward black culture, and white performed poorly on it... Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	May 31, 09, 04:16 / #
shopgirl: So then what? So then a lot of very important positions don't get filled. It's kind of hard to imagine too much cultural bias in a test about fire fighting / life saving skills. Most things like this are universal concepts. With the internet most knowledge is readily available. What's interesting is that it's typically only African Americans who complain about this perceived bias.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	May 31, 09, 04:28 / #
freebird: what are you talking about? Do you live in the US? If so for how long? You're trying to say that blacks are more qualified than whites, what a crap. The fact is, some blacks are qualified and some whites are too but this ain't the point. I'm talking about discrimination between black and white, period. No jobs or anything else involved, just the people themselves. If you disagree with my point then it only shows me that you've never experienced the reality of life in the US. It used to be like that, whites discriminated blacks but in the meantime it has changed the other way around. I'm talking here about the case that you can read like an open book if you live here. The truth is, the blacks are showing off much more with their hatred toward whites than ever before. You'd have to know the area I live in. It's a white suburb with hardly any blacks. Whites have the jobs and do the hiring. Where I live, a caucasian still has an easy time getting a job. It might not be that way everywhere but it certainly is here! When whites and blacks work together they got to respect each other and not say anything derogatory about each other's races but that's about it. Most upper management is still white men and to a lesser extent, women. I don't live on the coast, more in the middle. It might be different in the north and southeast, California, etc. Remember, if you feel discriminated against, even if you are white, you can do the same as blacks, raise a fuss about it and maybe they will listen? Just because you are white doesn't mean you cannot play the race card, ya know? shopgirl: But even eduacators admit that there is no way to come up with a test that is completely free of culture bias or race bias. So then what? I read some of Grzeg's link and it didn't sound like the dude was having trouble because of cultural biased testing. It sounded like he was illiterate, had to have the test read out loud to him, don't remember if he wrote his own answers, but I think it said someone read the questions and wrote his responses. The article said he had dyslexia but it sounds more like he can't read and write. He was trying to get promoted in the fire department so who knows what his additional duties would have been. Sad reality is, most who cannot read and write don't go as far as those who can. That particular part hasn't got anything to do with race.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	May 31, 09, 04:59 / #
PlasticPole: more in the middle please be more specific :-) Never heard this expression "more in the middle"