Anti-white racism in America ?

dcchris:

ah yes people love to use this argument to justify slavery. the domestic african slavery system was extremely different in that the slaves were more like domestic/indentured servants. Almost part of the family in many respects. They were able to marry as they pleased and develop a life. Slaves in the americas were tortured, bred, and treated as less than human.

shopgirlThreads: 7 Posts: 1,446 Joined: Apr 6, 07	Edited by: shopgirl May 31, 09, 06:39 / #
PlasticPole: The article said he had dyslexia but it sounds more like he can't read and write There is another condition, sort of like dyslexia, but it is where you have the knowlegde in the brain, but it won't come out on paper. I forget what it is called, but my daughter has some of it. You can read her a story and later on ask her questions and she can recall every detail, but if you ask her to answer a few questions on paper, you barely get anything out of her. Her teacher tries to quiz her verbally whenever possible. She has even been put into a "gifted and talented" class, but if you ask her to read or write, she has difficulty. (I just remembered what the condition is called: dysgraphia)

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	May 31, 09, 07:08 / #
freebird: The truth is, the blacks are showing off much more with their hatred toward whites than ever before. Yes with thier self proclaimed leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who are undoubtly bigot racists. freebird: what are you talking about? Do you live in the US? Its hard to explain to these guys most ppl on here go by what they see in the Media come live here and experience it then. Its the gods honest truth PlasticPole: When whites and blacks work together they got to respect each other and not say anything derogatory about each other's races but that's about it. Because If you use the N word you will be fired, but ive been called white pail,cracker it dont bother me coz the guys I worked with dont care and we joke around, but in a serious business enviroment,,youre history:)

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Edited by: freebird May 31, 09, 07:36 / #
sledz: Because If you use the N word you will be fired, but ive been called white pail,cracker it dont bother me coz the guys I worked with dont care and we joke around, but in a serious business enviroment,,youre history:) exactly. I hate this one-sided bs. If they can, we should be able too. You can't even look at one without making him aggressive

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	May 31, 09, 10:03 / #
shopgirl: Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity thats pretty accurate name

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	May 31, 09, 10:50 / #
PlasticPole: Illiterate people should be the last to be promoted imo but they are usually THE FIRST regardless of race, Dyslexicia is different to being illiterate, your comments were quite disgusting and ignorant! I'd like to add that some of the worlds most articuate and intelligent people have been dyslexic! As for racism against white people, yeah it happens it's called filling quotas, we had a problem with the Police force in the UK, where white Brits excelled in their entrance exams but were knocked back in order to let in a few majories (well they're not minories in the UK anymore!) who performed miserably on their entrance exams! When ever filling out an application form for any government jobs you have to state your nationality, colour, religion, if you have a disability and your sexuality, I always feel like saying Im a black, muslim one legged lesbian...bound to get an interview that way!

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole May 31, 09, 18:27 / #
freebird: please be more specific :-) Never heard this expression "more in the middle" Let's just say I am not on either coasts. Just average white bread midwestern US. shopgirl: There is another condition, sort of like dyslexia, but it is where you have the knowlegde in the brain, but it won't come out on paper. I forget what it is called, but my daughter has some of it. If he has that should he be supervisor? Or should a supervisor be required to read what's on paper and write an accurate answer to a question? It's unfortunate that someone has dyslexia, but we have to remind ourselves there are some jobs that a dyslexic is going to have trouble filling. Maybe that's why an exam is required, in some cases, before promoting people? It's because they need to have the skills required to do well on the exam before being allowed to supervise others. When people get promoted they are often entitled to positions where they tell others what to do, acting in their best interest and in that particular field, firefighting, shouldn't they be able to pass a basic literacy test before being allowed? It's a dangerous job. sledz: Because If you use the N word you will be fired, but ive been called white pail,cracker it dont bother me coz the guys I worked with dont care and we joke around, but in a serious business enviroment,,youre history:) If they call you white bread cracka and you are offended my advice to you is play the race card. Anyone can play it. You think a white man or woman can't play that card because they are white? ShelleyS: Dyslexicia is different to being illiterate, your comments were quite disgusting and ignorant! No. They aren't. Firefighting is SERIOUS business if that guy is promoted he will have the lives of others in his hands he better be able to read or write and him not being able to is a serious impedment to filling a supervisory role. You seem to be ignoring the needs of the people who will be working under him. They deserve to have a boss who can understand what's written when looking at it and able to instantly know what it says and understand the meaning. That should be a qualification for this type job. A dyslexic should apply elsewhere, imo. There's plenty of other jobs without so many serious implications. I am not dyslexic but I know I could never be a firefighter, there's no way. There are some jobs I will be the first to admit I am not cut out for under any circumstance. Not everyone is cut out for the same work. I guess I'm the only one here that has the guts to admit the truth. Someone allowed to supervise others in a burning building should, at least, be able to pass a basic literacy test. I had a job once that was far less serious. It was important but other's lives were not in my hands and I had to take a long ass, difficult test to get that job. So if I have to go thru all that for a less demanding job why can't these fire fighters be required to pass basic literacy tests before being promoted?

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	May 31, 09, 18:50 / #
[quote=Grzegorz_] Is that true ? “But disappointment doesn’t lead to a discrimination claim.” I pulled this from the article, I happen to agree.. now a days its few and far between that an actual discrimination claim is even true.. there was white as well who had their test thrown out.. bottom line is, they want leadership that can save lives.. not stand on a back of a fire truck and wave to all the kiddies as a role model.. yes they would be role models.. but bottom line is, who ever is the most qualified should take the job. whos saftey skills /knowledge are top notch, not who looks good in a firefighters suit ... Theres always someone whos upset over not getting the promotion.. but new york employs alot of firefighters.. and there might be four out of ten qualified then what?? is it discrimination>? no, but they think it is.. how lame. there can only be one leader.. and so the rest will always hold a grudge.. they should worry more about their jobs and what it means.. saving lives.. not me me me bullcrap.. thats why they became firefighters.. not pansys crying about promotions and why they didnt get it.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	May 31, 09, 23:29 / #
PlasticPole: You think a white man or woman can't play that card because they are white? exactly so because we'll get punished for calling them a "nigga" even if we're just defending ourselves. This is the reality in the US. PlasticPole: If they call you white bread cracka and you are offended I wouldn't give a damn if they call me names as long as take it from me too without calling the law on me or start fighting

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Edited by: Patrycja19 May 31, 09, 23:46 / #
freebird: I wouldn't give a damn if they call me names as long as take it from me too without calling the law on me or start fighting Im white and nerdy.. lol [youtube=null]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	May 31, 09, 23:47 / #
Patrycja19: Im white and nerdy.. lol Lol, well being a nerd means having a job nowadays.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Jun 30, 09, 08:37 / #
zabka: Affirmative action is there to give those people who weren't blessed to have an safe, easy, fulfilled upbringing, a chance. To help those who weren't the lucky ones, and to give them opportunities that were previously impossible. Is affirmative action even warranted any more?? A half black man sits in the nation's highest office. Black people are often given preference in some of the best universities.They have been for almost 20 years now. A black friend of mine often laughs and tells me he could probably get an MBA or law degree for free. Also, you fail to point out that black people have many times held themselves back with shootings, drug dealing and petty crimes, constantly glorifying "thug culture". That's big reason lots of businesses have not taken chances on them. Playing the white guilt card will likely not last forever and no one else does it more than African Americans.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 1, 09, 10:07 / #
The West bled them dry and used them. They prefer simpler means anyway, like primogeniture and subsistence.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Jul 3, 09, 20:04 / #
ZIMMY: In short, there is no direct correlation between slavery (which ended in the 1860's) and the plight of Black Americans today except for slavery they would probably still be in Africa, know their real names and heritage... shall I go on?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jul 3, 09, 20:19 / #
zabka: Affirmative action is there to give those people who weren't blessed to have an safe, easy, fulfilled upbringing, a chance. To help those who weren't the lucky ones, and to give them opportunities that were previously impossible. You missed one very important detail. Affirmative action was created mostly for non-whites. It had little to do with any blessing of lack thereof. Affirmative action is there to further show to the ones it is supposedly helping that without the affirmative action they amount to nothing, or to little at best. I recommend this book by a prominent African American to dig deeper into the frauds of affirmative action and such.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	May 31, 09, 23:49 / #
darn, I was trying to get wierd als video on utube.. [youtube=null]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 1, 09, 00:02 / #
Patrycja19: Im white and nerdy.. lol who are calling a nerd, Patrycja?

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Edited by: Patrycja19 Jun 1, 09, 00:38 / #
LOL< I like that song white and nerdy :) Weird al is so cool... !!!

zabkaThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Sep 13, 08	Jun 30, 09, 08:00 / #
Woah! I may be a little late. But I feel like our side of the story hasn't been rightfully represented. I am a black woman living on the east coast. I love all races. I only date white men. And I hate to see threads like this. It makes me worry that we aren't progressing. And it seems to me that there are a lot of pent of regressed issues that need to be personally dealt with... freebird: The truth is, the blacks are showing off much more with their hatred toward whites than ever before. Hatred towards whites??? There has yet to be ANY form of discrimination and hatred toward whites that can even come close to what african americans had to deal with. And I'm not saying that we have ANY right to call whites, or any other race any names or insults. Not at all, if some one is insulting your race, call them out, go to your boss whatever. But thinking that two wrongs make a right is ridiculous. As for affirmative action, it has gone a bit far i agree, BUT it was because of all the hardships african americans had, that put them mostly all impoverished and uneducated during the civil right movement. Affirmative action is there to give those people who weren't blessed to have an safe, easy, fulfilled upbringing, a chance. To help those who weren't the lucky ones, and to give them opportunities that were previously impossible. And I'm sorry but seeing the last couple of presidents that "white america" has elected... I highly doubt that "intelligence" is of high importance to you....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 30, 09, 17:15 / #
Well, that's the price for oppressing Blacks for so long. It's hard to redress the balance, many go over the top and lose their sense of perspective. It's better to choose the right candidate, regardless of colour.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07	Jun 30, 09, 20:23 / #
Seanus: Well, that's the price for oppressing Blacks for so long We see how much better fate have the Blacks in Africa who avoided long oppression.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jul 3, 09, 19:59 / #
Seanus: that's the price for oppressing Blacks for so long. It's hard to redress the balance, many go over the top and lose their sense of perspective The nanny state government has helped ruin the Black family in America more than anything else. For example, prior to the 'civil-rights 60's', the out-of-wedlock birth rate for Blacks was somewhere around 25%. After all the government programs and subsidies, the Black family out-of-wedlock birthrate is now 70%. In short, there is no direct correlation between slavery (which ended in the 1860's) and the plight of Black Americans today.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09	Jul 3, 09, 20:06 / #
Yeah that's true. Slavery is what brought the blacks to America.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Jul 3, 09, 20:22 / #
dcchris: except for slavery they would probably still be in Africa, know their real names and heritage... shall I go on? .. or be dead from disease, tse tse fly or be a victim of genocide. Still playing the blame game? Funny how it's hardly ever mentioned that African chiefs actually sold slaves to the Europeans. Blacks themselves participated in slavery. They still do.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Jul 3, 09, 20:26 / #
scrappleton: Blacks themselves participated in slavery scrappleton ah yes people love to use this argument to justify slavery. the domestic african slavery system was extremely different in that the slaves were more like domestic/indentured servants. Almost part of the family in many respects. They were able to marry as they pleased and develop a life. Slaves in the americas were tortured, bred, and treated as less than human.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Edited by: scrappleton Jul 3, 09, 20:30 / #
dcchris: ah yes people love to use this argument to justify slavery I wasn't justifying a damn thing but you could at least spread the blame around. White guilt is a cottage industry for a lot of people today. I'm not buying it anymore. dcchris: Slaves in the americas were tortured, bred, and treated as less than human. Markedly different than Africa?? C'mon with that man. Today they're hacking each other's arms off with machetes.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jul 3, 09, 20:32 / #
dcchris: ah yes people love to use this argument to justify slavery. the domestic african slavery system was extremely different in that the slaves were more like domestic/indentured servants. Almost part of the family in many respects. They were able to marry as they pleased and develop a life. Slaves in the americas were tortured, bred, and treated as less than human. Actually, slavery in Africa existed before the arrival of the white man, and it still exists there.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jul 4, 09, 00:39 / #
dcchris: except for slavery they would probably still be in Africa, know their real names and heritage... shall I go on? Alert, alert; the following is "politically incorrect" (hide your children). I've met blacks who have stated the incredible; they were glad they were born in the U.S. and that wouldn't be possible if not for the slave trade. They weren't justifying slavery; only expressing a truth as they see it. They are delighted they were not "still...in Africa". At any rate, my premise had to do with a different point; that is, the contemporary Black family experience in the US is not related to past slavery when it comes to single parent Black families. The figures I gave show there is no direct correlation to slavery. There is direct correlation to government programs and interventions which helped create dependency to the state thus styfiling individual growth and responsibility. Government bureaucracies grew and nourished the growth of single parent dysfunctional families. It was win-win for expanding BigGovernment. dcchris: the domestic african slavery system was extremely different in that the slaves were more like domestic/indentured servants. Almost part of the family in many respects. Yes, they were so much a "part of the family" that the African chieftans sold millions of them to European, Arab and other Black slave traders. Some African slavers were so cruel that they tortured their rival tribe prisoners, sometimes in the most horrific way. dcchris: Slaves in the americas were tortured, bred, and treated as less than human. It depended on the plantation. Some were treated harshly; some were treated almost in a familial manner. After the Civil War, some slaves wanted to remain on their plantations because that is where they thought they would have it best. I realize that these are the kinds of truths that our liberal friends don't like to hear. Today in parts of Africa we have Black on Black slavery and we have Muslim on Black slavery.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole Jul 4, 09, 00:55 / #
ZIMMY: I've met blacks who have stated the incredible; they were glad they were born in the U.S. and that wouldn't be possible if not for the slave trade. They weren't justifying slavery; only expressing a truth as they see it. They are delighted they were not "still...in Africa". Yeah but being a slave would be a horrible experience. If you think that if slavery were still legal only blacks would be slaves think again. Anyone can be a slave. It's just a matter of people saying slavery is ethical and therefore a necessary evil: should be legal. They would rationalize it and justify this way. Then, you have no control over your life. No freedom. Slavery always sucks no matter what.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jul 4, 09, 00:56 / #
PlasticPole: Yeah but being a slave would be a horrible experience. If you think that if slavery were alright only blacks would be slaves think again. Anyone can be a slave. It's just a matter of people saying slavery is alright then you have no control over your life. No freedom. Slavery always sucks no matter what. What makes you think you are not a slave?.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,432 Joined: May 28, 09	Jul 4, 09, 01:00 / #
I see your point SeanBM, no one is ever really completely free but slavery is a lesser amount of freedom than that of the supposedly "freeman". With slavery comes the idea of freedom. It's how we came to realize, as a species, what the concept of freedom really means. We still aren't entirely free but most people have a better life than slaves in the American South who were bought and sold, seperated from their families, had no rights at all, were treated as property by the slave owner. Life could be so much worse if that were legal.