O Canada - terrorists can stay but we deport blind grannies.

Stephanie:

The gov could have just slapped her with a fine or something for pete's sake, and let her stay. She's got immediate family here (ie., not a "burden to the state"); her adult children are likely contributing members to Cdn society, paying taxes, etc., and her granchildren will in all probability be educated and employable -- a far cry from some of the "legal" immigrants who milk the system for all they're (and its) worth!

StephanieThreads: 1 Posts: 7 Joined: Aug 16, 09	Edited by: Moderator Aug 24, 09, 03:15 / #
Blind granny Stefania Elzbieta Magdziak is being deported to Poland today, taking with her memories of her family and two suitcases -- all she has to show after living in Canada for 11 years. Source: http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/08/23/10569986-sun.h tml Absolutely unbelievable. What's the harm in fixing this woman's papers and allowing her to stay in Canada?

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Edited by: ragtime27 Aug 24, 09, 04:38 / #
Stephanie: Absolutely unbelievable. What's the harm in fixing this woman's papers and allowing her to stay in Canada? you could say the same about 1000's of illegal immigrants. My sympathy goes to her as blind person,but rules are rules. nothing is unusual in her case. Stephanie: What's the harm Ehh....using healthcare for free.

outrider669	Aug 24, 09, 10:04 / #
Well I feel sorry for her but the rules are the rules. She came to visit and thought I might as well stay even though she did not get permission. She must have known that sooner or later she would have to face the music and be forced to leave. Then she tried to blame a Immigration consultant for her situation. She put her self in this position 11 years ago. Her two kids knew that they were trying to beat the rules. They lost and now they should not feel like someone is unfair. Then you hear how we are sending her to her death and things like that. This is not true, we are returning her to her native country where she belongs. That is her country and there is no problems there such as war or persecution. That is the way things are. Please don't try to beat the system and jump ahead of all the people that follow the rules but are held up because of you.

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Aug 24, 09, 13:50 / #
Stephanie: Absolutely unbelievable. What's the harm in fixing this woman's papers and allowing her to stay in Canada? She knew that she was breaking the law 11 years ago, its her own fault. It just goes to show if you emmigrate properly you can have a good life without worries:) Break the law and you can live in fear of getting caught and deportation. The Canadian government is just enforcing thier laws, they shouldnt bend them for anybody. That would be unfair to all the the immigrants that follow the procedure legally and properly.

michaltk	Aug 24, 09, 16:20 / #
So why didn't her family sponsor her to stay at first… and because of that she's fu**ed now - banned to return to Canada; the only ppl to blame here are her children… well too bad.

cjjThreads: 2 Posts: 239 Joined: Sep 28, 07	Aug 24, 09, 16:52 / #
Canada has (had) a policy of bringing families together so had this family applied for landed immigrant status some years ago I can't imagine a problem ... she would have had to return to Poland to apply, of course, but /shrugs/ why do people think they deserve to weevil round the rules?

StephanieThreads: 1 Posts: 7 Joined: Aug 16, 09	Aug 24, 09, 22:05 / #
The gov could have just slapped her with a fine or something for pete's sake, and let her stay. She's got immediate family here (ie., not a "burden to the state"); her adult children are likely contributing members to Cdn society, paying taxes, etc., and her granchildren will in all probability be educated and employable -- a far cry from some of the "legal" immigrants who milk the system for all they're (and its) worth! My interpretation of this particular situation is bureaucracy running on overkill.

michaltk	Aug 24, 09, 22:37 / #
The gov could have just slapped her with a fine or something for pete's sake, Don't think so… do you have any idea how many claims of that kind CIC would get after they'd let her stay…

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 25, 09, 01:52 / #
Does it really surprise you, this is CANADA we are talking about, although i can't say that the UK does much better with who it lets stay in the country and who it kicks out. Lets take the gurkhas for example, we had to have a full blown campaign to keep them here, when it comes to the whoe of Africa, Asia etc etc, ow no just feel free to come in!!!

gość	Aug 25, 09, 02:18 / #
Stephanie: The gov could have just slapped her with a fine or something for pete's sake, and let her stay. She's got immediate family here (ie., not a "burden to the state"); her adult children are likely contributing members to Cdn society, paying taxes, etc., and her granchildren will in all probability be educated and employable -- a far cry from some of the "legal" immigrants who milk the system for all they're (and its) worth! I second that. If someone live for 11 years in the country, has direct family who are paying taxes, and doesn't cause any harm, then such a person should stay. Better deport those muslim immigrants who doesn't speak the language and don't agree with western law. This is not a matter of 'befehl ist befehl' but of using your common sense and to listen to your heart as well.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Aug 25, 09, 04:48 / #
gość: has direct family who are paying taxes She's not paying taxes though. Pakis are very well known for bringing their families (who even knows if they're all family) to canada. Everyone (10 or so) lives under the same roof but only 1 or 2 people work and pay taxes. How the hell can our health care system manage this? Look how long it takes to see a specialist in this country! And look how high taxes are! The system is abused and this needs to stop. I honestly feel sorry for her being old and blind and in this nasty situtation but her family f'ed up! I'm sure she'll be looked after quite well in poland.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Aug 25, 09, 05:10 / #
What is the Canuck tax rate on a citizen anyway?

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09	Aug 25, 09, 05:19 / #
scrappleton: What is the Canuck tax rate on a citizen anyway? Varies by province and by income level. Standard federal tax brackets across the country, with some incentives for living in certain regions. Each province has their tax brackets as well. Each vary by income level. Put it this way, we pay a higher percentage of taxes than Americans do, but the "social net" is a little wider to catch those who need help. Not all that need help get it though.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Aug 25, 09, 05:25 / #
Well say a guy living in Toronto making $60,000 a year. What percentage of his income goes to taxes?

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 25, 09, 02:41 / #
gość: Better deport those muslim immigrants who doesn't speak the language and don't agree with western law. ow no no no, you couldn't dream of doing that, its just not PC. These days we have to let them all in and maybe take on a few of their laws, damn why not just hand all the land to them and let them run the show :):):)

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Aug 25, 09, 03:49 / #
gość: Better deport those muslim immigrants who doesn't speak the language so this babcia speak the language?

StephanieThreads: 1 Posts: 7 Joined: Aug 16, 09	Aug 25, 09, 04:17 / #
ragtime27: so this babcia speak the language? Maybe not, but you can be quite certain that her adult children do to a certain degree and that their children are most certainly bilingual (if not trilingual, including French).

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Aug 25, 09, 05:02 / #
gość: has direct family who are paying taxes so it's good enough to bring everyone who's invalid or valid to Canada whatever is the nationality Pakistani or Polish,just because a direct family is paying taxes? I thought you pay taxes for yourself not for a relative!!!!!

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Aug 25, 09, 05:44 / #
scrappleton: Well say a guy living in Toronto making $60,000 a year. What percentage of his income goes to taxes? argh, it's late: www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Aug 25, 09, 05:49 / #
polishcanuck: argh, it's late: Right on, thanks.

polkamaniacThreads: 1 Posts: 514 Joined: Aug 2, 09	Sep 10, 09, 04:10 / #
on 60 grand ,you`re looking at 30 %