LIVE FORUMS / ARCHIVES / 2009
PolishForums - ARCHIVE Witamy in PolishForums Archive :
Archives / 2009 / Polonia - USA, Canada / posts: 22

Popular US Newspaper offends Poles.



George8600Threads: 20
Posts: 1,114
Joined: Feb 19, 09
  Jun 24, 09, 19:02 /  #
This was the second time I have seen this article posted in the New York Times (which I subscribe to daily). Apparently a holocaust subjecting brought it up again and got it posted. I have looked up many of the facts and they seem flawed (but not all). As a pole, isn't anyone else offended by this? Poland has done so much for the Jewish population since medieval times, and we get this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/arts/poles-and-the-jews-how-deep-the -guilt.html?pagewanted=1

Grzegorz_Threads: 81
Posts: 6,213
Joined: Nov 16, 06
  Jun 24, 09, 19:30 /  #
By ADAM MICHNIK

I stopped reading here...
tornado2007Threads: 20
Posts: 3,497
Joined: Jul 11, 07
  Jun 24, 09, 19:35 /  #
hahaha, its a pole offending poles :):):)
WroclawThreads: 77
Posts: 7,404
Joined: Apr 1, 06
[Moderator]  Pictures: 3
  Jun 24, 09, 19:36 /  #
Grzegorz_:
I stopped reading here...

I stopped at the date: March 17th 2001
buniaThreads: 1
Posts: 159
Joined: May 27, 07
  Jun 24, 09, 19:38 /  #
so i wont bother to open :)
Grzegorz_Threads: 81
Posts: 6,213
Joined: Nov 16, 06
  Jun 24, 09, 19:39 /  #
tornado2007:
its a pole

Well... It depends on one's definition of a Pole...
tornado2007Threads: 20
Posts: 3,497
Joined: Jul 11, 07
  Jun 24, 09, 19:40 /  #
hahahaha, not only is a Pole offending Poles, we now find out its about 8 years ago, hahahahahahahahaha, thanks for the laugh anyway
SokratesThreads: 19
Posts: 4,464
Joined: Jan 19, 09
[Suspended]
  Jun 24, 09, 20:00 /  #
tornado2007:
hahaha, its a pole offending poles :):):)

Michnik is a Jew not a Pole, a Polish citizen yes, a Pole? No.
tornado2007Threads: 20
Posts: 3,497
Joined: Jul 11, 07
  Jun 24, 09, 20:06 /  #
Sokrates:
Michnik is a Jew not a Pole, a Polish citizen yes, a Pole? No.

ok so your nationality is defined these days by your religion, that is just great, one of the worst elements in the whole world now defines your nationality, how sad :(. Forget religion and remember the nationality!!!!

RELIGION WILL END THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL
SokratesThreads: 19
Posts: 4,464
Joined: Jan 19, 09
[Suspended]
  Jun 24, 09, 20:08 /  #
tornado2007:
ok so your nationality is defined these days by your religion

In case of Jews yes, to follow rules of Judaism is to be a Jew, to be a Jew is not to be a Pole, he can be a citizen of Poland with all priveliges and duties that entails but thats it.
SeanusThreads: 22
Posts: 30,158
Joined: Dec 25, 07
  Jun 24, 09, 20:14 /  #
Right on, Torny. At some level, I can accept that religion can divide people. However, I believe that we should really try to understand the faiths of others before we take a position against it. People ask me, what religious denomination do you follow? I am broadly Christian but see the merits in the religion of others when described to me. What we must remember is, there is no definitive proof of the existence of God. So we believe in different Gods, fine, let's leave it at that. Therefore, there is scope for other belief for me. I don't discard what they say and see some logic in Buddhism, for example.

I can not accept that religion will make people guilty by association when there is a general lack of understanding. Also, believe some eminent scholars and authorities when they tell you that gaps should be bridged as the disparities are often not that great. Look for that substantive overlap cuz it's there.
aphrodisiacThreads: 22
Posts: 3,998
Joined: Apr 15, 09
  Jun 24, 09, 20:16 /  #
Michnik is a Polish Jew.
thebear45Threads: 2
Posts: 95
Joined: Apr 22, 09
  Jun 24, 09, 20:17 /  #
Jews starting another uproar in poland? wht else is new man.
ZIMMYThreads: 10
Posts: 2,353
Joined: Feb 21, 09
  Jun 24, 09, 20:17 /  #
The NewYork Times is going out of business. This article is just one of many other types of falsehoods published by this extreme left rag. Only an Obama 'bailout' can save this paper by 2011.
Patrycja19Threads: 79
Posts: 3,974
Joined: Oct 31, 06
 Pictures: 1
  Jun 24, 09, 20:25 /  #
Wroclaw:
I stopped at the date: March 17th 2001

me too

why bring up old topics.. the article is older then the forum.


tornado2007:
RELIGION WILL END THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL

Ahem... Man will end the world.. Man is behind the religion.
go strait to the source.

theres a really stupid one right now causing stir who lives in N.Korea.
another in Iran calling out Britian. we have bigger issues then religion.
HarryThreads: 62
Posts: 8,508
Joined: May 2, 07
[Suspended]
  Jun 24, 09, 23:08 /  #
Michnik isn't a Jew: he's a Pole. Only pathetic bigots like Sokrates and greg think he isn't a Pole.
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
Posts: 4,835
Joined: Apr 11, 08
  Jun 24, 09, 23:15 /  #
By his own admission Michnik is a Polish Jewish atheist. He once said, a little tongue in cheek: "¯ydokomuna to ja!" And he was right on the mark. His father Ozjasz Szechter was a member of the pre-war Stalin-cotrolled subversive Communist Party of Poland. After the war, his mother Helena Michnik tried to sovietise Polish schoolchildren with her Marxist-style history textbooks. And Michnik's brother Adam, a Stalin-era desk-top murderer (with the blood of Polish patriots on his hands), to this day is a fugitive from justice in Sweden. People like Michnik and Kuroñ opposed the Polish communist regime only because someone like Trotsky would have been more to their liking.
IronsideThreads: 59
Posts: 6,786
Joined: Feb 26, 09
  Jun 25, 09, 01:39 /  #
Harry:
Michnik isn't a Jew: he's a Pole. Only pathetic bigots like Sokrates and greg think he isn't a Pole.

he is communist bastard , no wonder you like him Harry.
George8600Threads: 20
Posts: 1,114
Joined: Feb 19, 09
Edited by: George8600   Jun 25, 09, 14:54 /  #
I read his biography online, apparently he is Ukrainian born of Jewish origins (his father is Ukrainian and mother Polish) , but considers himself a Polish Jew since he has lived there most of his life. Polonius, he isn't an atheist, Judaism highly opposed those who disbelieved in God. A Jew who loses his faith in God is no longer a Jew when he/she becomes and atheist. The Torah itself says this, he claims to be proudly a Jew and practices the religion. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised if he had tons of atheists in his family with the amount of communist involvement they had.

From wikipedia--

Adam Michnik was born to Ozjasz (Uzziah) Szechter, the first secretary of the Communist Party of Western Ukraine and his wife Helena (née Michnik), a children books writer and communist. (Michnik's parents happened to be of Jewish and non-Jewish descent, respectively. Michnik describes himself as a Pole of Jewish origins.[1][2]) His brother, Stefan Michnik, was a stalinist judge in the 1950s, during the period of Stalinism and currently resides in Sweden; he is accused of having sentenced to death alleged spies, such as major Zefiryn Machalla whom was a major of the Polish Army and participant of the Polish September Campaign. In the interbellum period, his talent was highly praised by the Polish Army Headquarters, for his outstanding bravery, Machalla was nominated for the Virtuti Militari cross.


He has also convicted many other Polish nobles. What Polonius said was right and with a further extent.
ZIMMYThreads: 10
Posts: 2,353
Joined: Feb 21, 09
  Jun 25, 09, 17:54 /  #
Harry:
Michnik isn't a Jew: he's a Pole. Only pathetic bigots like Sokrates and greg think he isn't a Pole.

Is that why in the same article Michnik says; "By coincidence I am a Pole with Jewish roots." ....and later, "I know that if I had been there in Jedwabne, I would have been killed as a Jew.". For the third time he admits being a Jew when he writes; "I am also a Jew who feels a deep brotherhood with those who were murdered as Jews."

Perhaps Harry, you should tell Michnik that he isn't Jewish; after all, someone from the British Islands like yourself knows better.
ZiemowitThreads: 10
Posts: 1,063
Joined: May 8, 09
  Jun 25, 09, 19:55 /  #
Not being excited at all with who is Jewish and who is not (same with who is Scottish or who is American), I am eager to remind that being Jewish may be defined in either nationality or religion terms. In the former case we use the big letter in Polish (On jest ¯ydem), in the latter we use the small letter (On jest ¿ydem). Also, according to the Jewish religion, someone is Jewish when his mother is/was Jewish; in this respect Adam Michnik is not Jewish. The decisive factor is whom the person judges himself; I think it's obvious to accept Adam Michnik as a Pole of Jewish origin (I cannot imagine people in America insisting that someone who thinks himself an American of Jewish origin is not an American, but Jewish only).

Confusing this with someone's or their parents political activities is just silly and boring. There exists lots of examples of Poles of Polish (and only Polish) having been communist murderers, just as examples of Jews not having been communists in Poland.
ZIMMYThreads: 10
Posts: 2,353
Joined: Feb 21, 09
  Jun 25, 09, 20:52 /  #
Ziemowit:
Not being excited at all with who is Jewish and who is not

Some Jewish people are ...and some non Jewish people are.

Ziemowit:
someone is Jewish when his mother is/was Jewish; in this respect Adam Michnik is not Jewish. The decisive factor is whom the person judges himself;

Exactly, in this case Michnik claims to be Jewish; who is to tell him he isn't?
(If Obama had the same 'tradition' then we couldn't consider him Black although he certainly does).

Ziemowit:
I cannot imagine people in America insisting that someone who thinks himself an American of Jewish origin is not an American, but Jewish only

Ah, but the U.S. is a hodgpodge.

Ziemowit:
There exists lots of examples of Poles of Polish (and only Polish) having been communist murderers, just as examples of Jews not having been communists in Poland.

True, yet there is such a thing as percentages. For example, every election 90 pecent of Blacks vote Democratic Party (in the last election it was closer to 98 percent). I know two handfuls of conservative Jewish friends (real friends) who abhor the fact that a relatively high percentage of Jews were communists. ... and they are bothered by the fact that 65 percent voted for Obama.

Go UPtop of page


Similar discussions:

Similar to: Popular US Newspaper offends Poles.
How to place an ad in a newspaper in Katowice or on the Internet?
What are the most popular drinks in Poland?
What's popular for kids in Poland?
Popular sports in Poland?
Facebook - is it popular in Poland?
is commission way popular in PL business??
What kind of horses are popular in Poland?
Polish Chat Rooms, any popular?
Radom Air Show (popular in Poland)
The materials used for house building in PL, most popular?

Relatives from Poland are coming to visit us in NJ, USA. What do we buy for them  Confused by visas needed for USA...

Random: Did you heard for Polish tourist-bus tragedy on the road, in Serbia?
Archives / 2009 / Polonia - USA, Canada /posts: 22


This forum is archived (read-only).
Category:
© 2005-2010 PolishForums.com | PolishForums LIVE | Archives | Random | Statistics