Robert Dziekanski Protest in Vancouver - Let's Organize!

Quoting: denim73

how does the atrocities commited against your ancestors equate to the current social circumstances. Same bullsh*t line all the time. native Americans are given every opportunity. No taxes, free health services, free education...the list goes on. Every social advantage you can think of and yet all you can do is wallow in you own crapulence.

MagsThreads: - Posts: 8 Joined: Nov 19, 07	Nov 20, 07, 23:42 / #
Quoting: denim73 In Canada if your work hard to succeed you will. that claim is a bit romantic don't you think? I know plenty of people with university degrees that can't find a decent job here in Ontario.

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Edited by: FISZ Nov 21, 07, 07:39 / #
Quoting: denim73 He would have been shot in a lot of other countries I disagree. In other countries most of the police actually have a pair and would've taken him down with their own hands. It was 4 against 1. Quoting: denim73 I live next to a reservation and put up with their roadblocks only to be asked for spare change by them when I get to work. Well, if your ancestors were raped and killed off you may be in the same situation. ... A?It's too bad Canada breeds heathens like you. I'm a Native American, but I still feel bad for you. Just keep in mind that one day "keeping it real" can put you in a bad spot. Why don't you just live life for the future and not reach for the past...... cause that's all you're doing...reaching.

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Nov 21, 07, 08:24 / #
Quoting: denim73 Just a reminder, Polish is not OUR national language. Why would you even say anything like this. Most international airports can cater to anyone speaking another language. They thought he was speaking Russian!? Was there an attempt to do the logical thing and try to find a translator?

miranda	Nov 21, 07, 08:47 / #
Quoting: FISZ Just keep in mind that one day "keeping it real" can put you in a bad spot. Why don't you just live life for the future and not reach for the past...... cause that's all you're doing...reaching. yep

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 21, 07, 18:40 / #
Quoting: PolishWings denim, you are an idiot. No one is forcing you to stay, an incidentally so, only an "idiot" would stay in a country they hate to live in. I know enough about Poland to know I'm grateful to be Canadian. Typical immigrant ********, give them opportunity and they spit on you. Just like your friend "puzzler", jealously breeds hatred - end of discussion.

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 21, 07, 18:46 / #
Quoting: FISZ Well, if your ancestors were raped and killed off you may be in the same situation. ... A?It's too bad Canada breeds heathens like you. I'm a Native American, but I still feel bad for you. Exactly how does the atrocities commited against your ancestors equate to the current social circumstances. Same bullsh*t line all the time. native Americans are given every opportunity. No taxes, free health services, free education...the list goes on. Every social advantage you can think of and yet all you can do is wallow in you own crapulence. PS- Don't feel bad for ME, I live a good life with a good family, good freinds and a great future that I worked very hard for. I feel bad for those who's potential is limited by the 200 year old stick on their shoulder.

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 21, 07, 19:04 / #
Quoting: Mags In Canada if your work hard to succeed you will. Yes, in hindsight I will agree. I have a friend in the same situation. However the point that I was trying to make is that we have land full of opportunity for all for those who are willing to succeed. My family came from England when I was very young and I am so grateful they took that chance. I love my country, I love what it stands for and even it imperfections because it reminds me that it takes continual effort on that part of all concerned citizens to make this great country. I'm tired of the slander against it, especially from those who live here and benefit from our social ideology. However because we do value the freedom of expression most of us tolerate it. Canada never begged for the Polish (or any other nation for that matter) to send us it's refugees, less fortunate or those wanting a better life for themselves or their family, but welcomed them all the same. I went through the same tedious immigration process like everyone else did, I offered no excuses and accepted the things that I could not control or disliked about our system. Instead of ******** about things I did not like I contributed what I could to better myself. I'm very successful because of it. I'm absolutely no different than any Polish, Russian, Serbian, Japanese or other ethnic that came through those airport gates. Don't you agree?

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 21, 07, 19:11 / #
Quoting: PolishWings PS: you know absolutely nothing about poland. I'm confused, was there something NOT factual I stated?

Foreigner4Threads: 21 Posts: 1,747 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Nov 22, 07, 04:32 / #
Quoting: denim73 how does the atrocities commited against your ancestors equate to the current social circumstances. Same bullsh*t line all the time. native Americans are given every opportunity. No taxes, free health services, free education...the list goes on. Every social advantage you can think of and yet all you can do is wallow in you own crapulence. Well try to imagine aliens taking over your civilization and killing off the majority of your people. Try to imagine being forced to live a completely different life. It's true that First Nations Peoples are given many "opportunities" but that's just the government throwing money at the problem. An entire race can't be smashed to smitherines and then the remnants be expected to just blend in problem free with the conquerors. Now are you and I the conquerors? No. Did you or I do anything wrong? No, unless being born white in NA is something we can be blamed for. Everyone has to look at the source of the problem and that is the government and its policies. And the extent to which the First Nations ancestral ranks were decimated (if not worse). Having said that, it wouldn't kill the First Nations people to recognize dishonest bellyaching for what it is. None of these blanket "white man" accusations and "lacking funds." Focus your attacks damnit.

true1	Nov 22, 07, 04:41 / #
Quoting: crowinski the cause should not be forgotten, yeah, what about the case of an US GI who came to Poland and got shut in some stupid azz disco in or around Warsaw area? I saw opinions here like "he deserved it" etc.. Now you guys expect me to feel for you...

jadz	Nov 22, 07, 14:59 / #
Are there any other details about the protest? I cannot seem to log onto this face book. Isn't there an accessible site with information?? Thanks, Jadzia

PolishWings	Nov 22, 07, 18:25 / #
well, ive decided that im not going to waste my time talking to a half-retard, who probably went to college and thinks hes achieved something. congratulations! your mediocre! i bet you have the IQ of an average canadian...which i beleive is around 99 or so....yup. if you dont believe me, look it up. im sure you have a good life, that your wife loves you very much when your around, and that your kids will grow up to be just like you, hanging around internet forums trying to prove to a nationality that they are better....hahahahaha, how can anyone take you seriously\ anyways, im not going to post here again, im going to the real polish forums where people with double digit iq's dont exist. dont bother replying i aint gonna read it :)

miranda	Nov 23, 07, 14:22 / #
Quoting: denim73 You get confused very easily. no, I don't. I was sarcastic. You get ticked off easily and call me names, so I am really quite bored now.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Nov 23, 07, 14:27 / #
there was another tazer incident on the news today - this time in america

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 22, 07, 06:52 / #
[quote=Foreigner4] Well try to imagine aliens taking over your civilization and killing off the majority of your people. Try to imagine being forced to live a completely different life. It's true that First Nations Peoples are given many "opportunities" but that's just the government throwing money at the problem. An entire race can't be smashed to smitherines and then the remnants be expected to just blend in problem free with the conquerors. [/quotI agree with most of what you say. It was an atrocity what happended to natives a LONG TIME AGO. People in this country are now born in a different day and age. It's time to adapt and overcome. Life changes for everyone. There are not to many Europeans that will deny natives their soveriegn rights. Hoewever I do not believe we are throwing money at them. I believe that we are trying to make right what happened. Just as we apologized and gave restitution to the Chinese for that horrible head tax years ago. Life is about moving forward and learning by acknowledging and learning from your history, not throwing it in others faces and looking for perpetual handouts. Much like the ignorant and ungrateful immigrants on this forum.

true1	Nov 22, 07, 09:32 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony Was there an attempt to do the logical thing and try to find a translator? How about learning languages before enetering another country instead to expect the host country to know your language? If I can learn Polish being in Poland I can also expect Polish people to learn English when they come to Canada. Besides English is a #1 language in the world (not counting chiinese for obvious reason).

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Nov 22, 07, 09:46 / #
Quoting: true1 Now you guys expect me to feel for you... I doubt that anyone here expect anything from you.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 22, 07, 09:58 / #
Quoting: denim73 Much like the ignorant and ungrateful immigrants on this forum. I think that you are an ignorant person on this forum and especially on this tread. I follow the press every day on Dziekanski and if you do as well, you know that there were major mistakes made with handling the man. It has nothing to do with the immigration policies, nor with First Nation treatement in Canada. I mentioned Oka, becaue somebody mentione bringing an army into peaceful demonstration, which I think was an attempt of threat to me. There are still sentiments among some Canadians that some conflicts could be solved with the aid of police force or the army. Perhaps, but not within your own country. For me personally is is a sing of weakness and luck of ability to solve conflicts and handle situations by the government and their law inforcement. It is a shame because Canada is a great country, but it is being wasted. Many Canadian citizens don't realy know what is going on, and as long as they get their Tim Hortons coffee, mortgage, vacation in Cuba and Chrysler car-they are happy. Is this the social ieology you were talking about - what is a "social ideology" anyways. Have a major in sociology and have never heard of it:)))) In my opinion identity problem and not being able to stand for their own rights of the regular citiizen is very typical in Canada and when they see other people protesting or not agreeing with something - they have a tendency to judge, instead of finding out what are the reasons behind protests is.Fortunately, there is also PAUL PRITCHARD, who filmed the incident and hired a lawyer to get his tape back form the police, so not all Canadians are like you- condesending and patronizing toward immigrants. He had guts to stand for what he belives in. It is a free country and it is free for anybody and immigrants are not second class citizens (or are they?), so when there is a protest against being tasered and mistreated, people who have any human feelings should support it. Instead, we get the same song of how immigrants shoul be greateful that they are in Canada. For what - for letting me live in the country which you stole from somebody else? That is so arrogant of you to say. Who are you anyways? Funny senitments ineed and I am just rolling my eyes. Try to publish them in a National newspaper, not on the Polish Forum hero.

MikaThreads: 1 Posts: 14 Joined: Oct 31, 07	Nov 22, 07, 12:49 / #
I guess now we know that after you f......up in Canada it will be f........up in Ireland and UK. And do not bother to quote me or response...I do not care about a scum like you

CanadianguyThreads: - Posts: 12 Joined: Nov 16, 07	Edited by: Canadianguy Nov 22, 07, 18:55 / #
puzzle ever been to Israel?.

TaserMeNow	Nov 22, 07, 20:56 / #
Folks you just HAVE to see this post to understand the mentality of those who killed Robert siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=24077729

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Edited by: denim73 Nov 22, 07, 21:13 / #
Quoting: miranda It is a shame because Canada is a great country, but it is being wasted. Don't even think of speaking to me about a country going to waste you fuckin' hypocrite! When you get the chance, look straight up because I truly believe the entire point of my response went way over your head. If I was living in Poland and slamming it's "social ideology" you'd be screaming for blood and you damn well know it. Way too many haters on this forum. (social ideology is a proper term, much like this forum you didn't pay attention in class either dumbass) http://archnet.asu.edu/topical/Selected_Topics/Social%20Ideologies.php

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 22, 07, 21:36 / #
Quoting: miranda so not all Canadians are like you- condesending and patronizing toward immigrants. He had guts to stand for what he belives in. WTF??!! Then exactly what the hell is it I'm doing responding to these threads? You are truly a retard. Quoting: miranda For what - for letting me live in the country which you stole from somebody else? That is so arrogant of you to say. Who are you anyways? Stole this country??? I wasn't even born in Canada (as I previously stated), how the hell can I steal a country I'm not even from?? Where did you get your degree anyways, the back of a friggin matchbook? Who am I? I'm obviously the guy on this forum that knows what the **** he's talking about. Quoting: PolishWings i bet you have the IQ of an average canadian...which i beleive is around 99 or so....yup Ya I'd agree, seems to get lower every time we get an influx of Polish in this country.

miranda	Nov 23, 07, 09:35 / #
still looking for the social ideology for Canada in the link you have provided

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 23, 07, 14:01 / #
Quoting: miranda still looking for the social ideology for Canada in the link you have provided It's not in the link I provided. If you can recall as far back as yesterday I believe the point of the link was to prove that there is in fact a term for social ideology that you were arrogant in assuming didn't exist, mainly due to the fact that you are a self professed expert in this field. It was never the point that Canada was in the link. You get confused very easily.

miranda	Nov 23, 07, 14:33 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo there was another tazer incident on the news today - this time in america yes, another one in eastern Canada a couple of days ago

kmgc	Nov 23, 07, 14:46 / #
Hi, I was so up set at the video I decided to write a song about it. You can hear it at www.myspace.com/kevinsticksclifton Sincerely, Kevin

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 23, 07, 15:10 / #
URL link to the website with info on rallies taking place in Canada on Nov24

Foreigner4Threads: 21 Posts: 1,747 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Nov 23, 07, 15:25 / #
Quoting: denim73 It was an atrocity what happended to natives a LONG TIME AGO. If you check your history you'll find that the atrocity you describe actually started a long time ago but persisted well into the 20th century. I think you failed to actually do the imagining part i had stated earlier. You expect the first nations people to just pick themselves up when their leaders (just like federal and provincial politicians) are corruptable and leadership is still at an ebb. That'd be like having the greatest minds of a culture killed off, the rest of the population boarded up away and cut off and then somehow expecting this disjointed population to seamlessly blend in with the new guys. The reason it hasn't worked that way is because it's an unreal expectation. Quoting: miranda It is a shame because Canada is a great country, but it is being wasted. Many Canadian citizens don't realy know what is going on, and as long as they get their Tim Hortons coffee, mortgage, vacation in Cuba and Chrysler car-they are happy. Is this the social ieology you were talking about - what is a "social ideology" anyways. Sadly Miranda, you've hit it on the button. However the fellow was acting like a tithead, if there's one thing you don't do upon entering a foreign country, it's start throwin ****. He didn't take the right course of action to help himself and the staff didn't do their job in preventing the blow up. But at least they should have been able to count on the police to act responsibly-nope. I really think that immigration is not the issue here. But I do think Canada's immigration policy is NOT in the best interests of Canadians. So this is probably where we part.

denim73Threads: - Posts: 28 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Nov 23, 07, 18:20 / #
Quoting: miranda yes, another one in eastern Canada a couple of days ago Jesus Christ... There are taser incidents EVERY DAY. The point is, is that tasers VERY RARELY end up in a fatality. Thats why they're the prefered weapon of choice over guns and even police batons. They are statistically FAR safer. Even pepper spray has more of a detrimental effect on a "victim" than a taser. I wish people would do they're research. I'll tell you this, if that guy kept on swinging those chairs and ended up hurting someone, bet your sweet ass the forums would be saying "why didn't the cops do something?" Now everyone is on "taser lookout". I'll tell you this much, one day some lunatic is going to go on another rampage and the cops are going to be too scared to do anything and even more innocent people will die. You watch any police takedown virtually anywhere in the world, they immobolize the victim swarm and then "lean" into the victim to keep them from getting up. It's standard police protocol. Personal feelings aside, do you honestly think these officers in an AIRPORT knowlingly aware they are on a camera at every turn are going to practice police brutality? Were the polish forums this active when Rodney King got beat down? Likely not, but one unfortunate and regrettable death of a Pole and now Canada is **. Just doesn't make sense to me. I don't remember his name, but a few years back an immigrant I beleive may have been Polish killed 4 RCMP officers in cold blood when they discovered his drug and weapons cache at his farmhouse. Canadians were angry but they weren't marching against foreign embassies. It was an foreign ***** with a gun, not another country that killed the officers. Canada may not be the perfect country, but in that instance we certainly lead by example.