USA, the nation of immigrants

Quoting: Dice

USA is one of the few countries in the World where you can move to and not feel like a foreigner. If I have had emigrated let's say to Germany I'm sure I would have enjoyed very much their efficient government and a great social system not to mention the fabulous German beer. The only thing is that in Germany I would for ever be thought of as "that Polish guy" and my kids would be thought of as "those kids of that Polish guy". Probably there wouldn't be any malice in that thinking - just a "set of mind". In the US on the contrary, I am considered a "new" American, as long as I am a citizen and speak the language. I think the reason for this is that almost everybody remembers that one grandpa or grandma straight from the old country who spoke with accent and they sympathize with that. It is, after all, "a nation of immigrants" as oppose to let's say Germany, which is a nation of... Germans.

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Dice Nov 30, 07, 18:56 / #
This subject matter is intended mainly for the so called "first - generation immigrants" or, the way I call them "the boaters" (I can do that, I'm one of them). Now I know that we all have our own, different and unique experiences with living in the US. These experiences reflect our opinion on the people living in this country. Some of us did great and love this place and the people, some did OK and "sorta-like-it", and some didn't do so well, they went back defeated and they probably did not like it at all. USA is one of the few countries in the World where you can move to and not feel like a foreigner. If I have had emigrated let's say to Germany I'm sure I would have enjoyed very much their efficient government and a great social system not to mention the fabulous German beer. The only thing is that in Germany I would for ever be thought of as "that Polish guy" and my kids would be thought of as "those kids of that Polish guy". Probably there wouldn't be any malice in that thinking - just a "set of mind". In the US on the contrary, I am considered a "new" American, as long as I am a citizen and speak the language. I think the reason for this is that almost everybody remembers that one grandpa or grandma straight from the old country who spoke with accent and they sympathize with that. It is, after all, "a nation of immigrants" as oppose to let's say Germany, which is a nation of... Germans. The best thing you can find in here is not money, huge houses, cars, or whatever people outside of US associate this country with. But it is a great place to raise your family. The best in the World.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Nov 30, 07, 19:04 / #
Quoting: Dice But it is a great place to raise your family. i think that kind of depends. actually that's one of the few doubts i have about USA. everything else is right on. i think the greatest thing about america is that you really can be or do whatever you want. if you have a dream, you can achieve it here. life is really pretty darn easy here, imho. :) the number 3 thing would have to be the expance of this country. if that's not enough, there is always the even emptier canada. :)

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Nov 30, 07, 22:09 / #
I was first born on USA soil. What a differance born into freedom vs, fighting for your rights. After what my family went throught being Roman Catholics from Kresy 1939-45, I can't even think how the ones that stayed could be silenced. Your babies, families, whole generations got killed, yet don't you dare speak about it. How is that for healing. Since 1989 they tell them ok you can feel again. I respect the Polish strength, I on the other hand being born here, would not have made it to long in communist Poland. Carol

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Nov 30, 07, 23:01 / #
Yes, America is a nation of immigrants. Anybody who sets their foot on this soil can feel right at home from the very beginning. I did. I felt at home from the start even tough I had to learn the language, the new life style...you name it. Yet, it was somehow so close to the real ME. No matter what any jealous America basher wants say, there is no place on this earth which gives so many opportunities and - nothing more. It all up to you, who you want to be and how you want live your life. You are not given anything, you earn it. Your neighbors don't point your finger at you, if you drive a seven year old car or 2008 Hummer. It is 'normal'. You have what you want and what you can afford. I live in the 'burbs', the cities are different. They have good parts and they have bad parts. You don't have to be there, if you don't want to. It's up to you to move. It's not perfect, but it is close enough. People who wish for this great country to go down are dumb, because if we go down, we take the whole world with us. Sorry, but that's the big picture and if you can't see beyond the tip of your nose that's what you'll get. We may suffer a little, but you end up in the sewer. So there.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Dec 1, 07, 00:26 / #
Quoting: Dice The best in the World. thank you dice, and I really appreciate your post, its a nice change to hear good and decent things, aside from politics , people do not realize and will never realize till they come here how good it is.. those that do come and appreciate know and would never disrespect it..

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Dec 1, 07, 00:30 / #
Quoting: Eurola People who wish for this great country to go down are dumb, because if we go down, we take the whole world with us. Sorry, but that's the big picture and if you can't see beyond the tip of your nose that's what you'll get. We may suffer a little, but you end up in the sewer. So there. three cheers for Eurola!! girl, well put I do say!!! this is so true, we might be a super power, but its because all these great people came from over there and were tired of the crap so we became strong country together!! and we are all races.. not seperate.. like eurola said we arent perfect, but we are united..

randompalThreads: 7 Posts: 431 Joined: Jul 10, 07	Dec 1, 07, 05:49 / #
Quoting: Patrycja19 people do not realize and will never realize till they come here how good it is.. don't forget about those who actually do go and then come to the conclusion that it is totally overrated...America's a great place, just like many other countries with clean-running tap water. by the way isn't Canada also a nation of immigrants? And Australia?

the_falksterThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Nov 15, 07	Dec 1, 07, 06:05 / #
Quoting: Dice USA is one of the few countries in the World where you can move to and not feel like a foreigner. If I have had emigrated let's say to Germany I'm sure I would have enjoyed very much their efficient government and a great social system not to mention the fabulous German beer. The only thing is that in Germany I would for ever be thought of as "that Polish guy" and my kids would be thought of as "those kids of that Polish guy". Probably there wouldn't be any malice in that thinking - just a "set of mind". In the US on the contrary, I am considered a "new" American, as long as I am a citizen and speak the language. I think the reason for this is that almost everybody remembers that one grandpa or grandma straight from the old country who spoke with accent and they sympathize with that. It is, after all, "a nation of immigrants" as oppose to let's say Germany, which is a nation of... Germans. that is so not true... have you actually ever lived in germany? i guess not. like everywhere it makes a difference with what kind of people you mix. the higher educated ones will surely not keep seeing you as "that polish guy" or even if, they will not judge for being polish (or any other nationality)... with the less educated ones it is different almost anywhere on this planet (incl. USA i guess)...

randompalThreads: 7 Posts: 431 Joined: Jul 10, 07	Dec 1, 07, 06:14 / #
Quoting: the_falkster with the less educated ones it is different almost anywhere on this planet (incl. USA i guess)... the less educated ones in the US will waste no time calling you a dumb Polak even if you have already been living there a long time, whether you have citizenship or not...

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 1, 07, 09:39 / #
Quoting: randompal by the way isn't Canada also a nation of immigrants? Very much so. In 1980 over 60% of Canadian citizens were born outside Canada. The numbers changed and I think it's about 40% now.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Dec 1, 07, 10:18 / #
Any country that takes in immigrants, to a lesser or greater extent, requires those people to fit in to the ways that country does things. This goes for sports, clothing, maybe even food, definately language. Particularly in the US, but also in Canda, Australia and so on, English is the language you will need in order to prosper, even if communities speaking other languages are strong and may be very useful. Wherever you go, you have to make your future for yourself. This is particularly expected in the US, but even in Britain where many immigrants have done well for themselves out of their own efforts and entrepreneurship. Part of the culture there seems to be the turning of backs on all that has been left behind in the old world. That may be why so many Americans seem to have so little regard for the rest of the world - it is the thing they or their parents' generation had left behind in search of a better future. That can also be explained by how insular most countries are in looking at themselves rather than the bigger picture of the outside world.

marek sThreads: - Posts: 451 Joined: Sep 9, 07	Dec 2, 07, 20:21 / #
Quoting: Wroclaw Boy America has the best and the worst of everything. agreed

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Edited by: osiol Dec 3, 07, 11:56 / #
Quoting: Oscypek Not true... people pass down customs and traditions from their countries of origin for many generations Some do. I accept that. I'll even go as far as to say some communities hang on to traditions that get lost back in the old world, but by and large, I'm not so sure. As an example: many 'Irish' Americans seem to have very little understanding of the situation in both the Republic of Ireland and in Northern Ireland with regards to religion, the economy and so on. Quoting: Oscypek Maybe it's different in the UK Some communities, especially those originating in Southern Asia remain culturally in their place of origin. Many other communities are too small to keep language and customs alive.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Oct 10, 09, 21:03 / #
szkotja2007: " hey, come an hear this guys accent....." ..lol

Wroclaw Boy	Dec 2, 07, 05:41 / #
Quoting: Dice The best in the World. America has the best and the worst of everything.

OscypekThreads: - Posts: 116 Joined: Jan 11, 07	Dec 3, 07, 11:22 / #
Quoting: osiol Part of the culture there seems to be the turning of backs on all that has been left behind in the old world. Not true... people pass down customs and traditions from their countries of origin for many generations. Maybe it's different in the UK.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08	Oct 10, 09, 20:12 / #
Dice: great place to raise your family. The best in the World. Thats the spirit of USA that Polish people love. Thats something we hope to relate ourselves with too :)... So beautifully written...

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Oct 10, 09, 20:18 / #
As has been said before, the US has the best and the worst to excess. My lasting memory of it ( coming from Scotland ) is......its a big country. Seeing it on TV, its all cities but when you travel there you realise just how big it is. Plus when you go in to a small town shop they shout through the back " hey, come an hear this guys accent....."

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Oct 10, 09, 21:13 / #
...and what the heck is a four way stop ! Everybody just sits there waiting for someone else to go first..and then everybody drives off at the same time - crazy.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09	Edited by: ShawnH Oct 10, 09, 21:19 / #
szkotja2007: crazy. It works, somewhat. There is a thing called right of way. Usually reserved for the guy on the right. At an intersection with stop signs at all corners, you must yield the right-of-way to the first vehicle to come to a complete stop. If two vehicles stop at the same time, the vehicle on the left should yield to the vehicle on the right.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Oct 10, 09, 21:23 / #
osiol: many 'Irish' Americans seem to have very little understanding of the situation in both the Republic of Ireland and in Northern Ireland with regards to religion, the economy and so on. I would say many British "English" do the very same.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Oct 11, 09, 01:39 / #
Dice: The best in the World. Let's see what other Americans have to say on the subject:

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Oct 11, 09, 02:02 / #
z_darius: Let's see what other Americans have to say on the subject: Yeah and Mahr was fired from HBO of all places. Look, everyone knows the states have all kinds of problems.. it's not some colossal revelation.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Oct 11, 09, 02:35 / #
scrappleton: Yeah and Mahr was fired from HBO of all places. Really? Watch it tomorrow. On HBO

cheehawThreads: 9 Posts: 831 Joined: Oct 10, 09	Oct 11, 09, 04:28 / #
Well gee whiz I don't know.. but in the USA, 2nd generation via grandparent boaters, I was always looked upon as 'the kid of that Polish guy' and that was in an area of lots of polish people.. italians, irish, some germans too. My impression is that the polish and irish in the USA were and still are looked upon as the blue collar do the dirty low wage work populations. The blue collar mindset among them is still suffocating. There are many more alcoholics among them than scholars. It is not an easy thing to escape.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Oct 11, 09, 05:16 / #
z_darius: Really? Watch it tomorrow. On HBO A thousand pardons.. ABC. The man is known as a comedian. So thanks for putting a comedian on to illustrate your point. I'll be sure and put on Groucho Marx from "Duck Soup" when I want to bring gravity to something about the Nazis.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Edited by: z_darius Oct 11, 09, 05:24 / #
scrappleton: A thousand pardons.. ABC. The man is known as a comedian. Nice try. Now, excepting the little pieces clearly designed to make people laugh, prove him wrong on one single point in that video. If you absolutely hate a grain of humor in political commentaries, check this one out:

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Edited by: scrappleton Oct 11, 09, 05:33 / #
z_darius: If you absolutely hate a grain of humor in political commentaries, check this one out: I don't want to check it out , Darius. You're an antiamerican, jerk off. Wow, what a trend setter you must feel like. We get it, man - A.) America has problems. B.)You don't like America. Hot Damn! Thanks for letting us know, grab a f.ucking number and we'll get to your complaint as soon as possible. Tell that English queen you clowns still pray to hello for us. And as always - THANKS FOR MOVING OUT OF THE US. : - D btw: Isn't it kind of strange how much effort you put into showing America in a bad light every chance you get? I've never seen an American do that about Canada. Not once. Maybe you know.. you're kind of obsessed with the US. Kind of sad , really.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Oct 11, 09, 05:43 / #
scrappleton: We get it, man - A.) America has problems. B.)You don't like America. See? You got nothing out of it and frankly, I am disappointed with the lame spit you offered. Where's your wit? My point is simple - America is not #1. It used to be but it's not anymore. The sooner Americans realize that the sooner they will start working to get back on track. I don't hate America. I would love America to get better. Much better, so that would continue buying Canadian products :)

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Oct 11, 09, 06:05 / #
z_darius: My point is simple - America is not #1. Yawn.. no kidding. Here's my point: Most people living here dont want to leave. Despite the expensive healthcare , despite the rampant crime, despite the infant mortality.. despite whatever trumped goofy statistic we are always confronted with by Canadians and Europeans. Why do you think that is? Help an American troglodyte out here? Ohh they'll complain about the US left and right, but get up and leave. Not too many will when push comes to shove. z_darius: It used to be but it's not anymore. The sooner Americans realize that the sooner they will start working to get back on track. It's not getting back on track probably.. the good jobs are gone, China has them now. That's the way it is. Now the people who are left here are the people who really love it. Like me. Love it warts and all. In a very real sense, I'm glad for the colapse. Maybe we can pull our expensive bases out of Europe and Asia. Maybe all those Africans, Mexicans, Europeans.. and yes Canucks can go make a go of it over in China. Have fun! You won't be able to complain to us anymore... even though you still will. z_darius: Much better, so that would continue buying Canadian products :) What would that be exactly NAFTA Buicks, your oil sand (which is burns extremely dirty). Sorels are made in China now. Buy your own stuff.. or hawk it to the English, you'll always be married to them anyway. z_darius: Where's your wit? I never professed to have any but I don't need to rely on Lou Dobbs and Bill Maher either. Both of whom are primarily entertainers.