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LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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  Mar 21, 07, 12:48 /  #
Quoting: tart-on-tour
the problem is far worse in the UK.

But atleast you accept that Poland has FAR MUCH MORE land... and we are not as strong as UK economically. But still we have this problem. We shouldnt have so much expensive property!

szkotja2007Threads: 38
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  Mar 21, 07, 12:50 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger
Your country is very rich


Just for some comparison -

Average wage in my area £ 15 410
Average houseprice £ 148 000
tart-on-tour   Mar 21, 07, 12:52 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger
We shouldnt have so much expensive property


It's not how much land there is though, rather how much land is being sold. Is this the reason - too much money chasing too little land/property?
LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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  Mar 21, 07, 13:02 /  #
Quoting: tart-on-tour
too much money chasing too little land/property?

Warsaw~ ya... thats the target.

However other cities are getting tergetted by foreigners too.

You see...usually the real estate agent wants the foreign buyer. Because they pay huge sums of money. They dont know the traditional price... and by falling for the agent... they finally increase the price.

However...over buying is also a matter. They buy and buy (many of them)...for comerical reasons specially.
LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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  Mar 21, 07, 13:03 /  #
Quoting: szkotja2007
Average wage in my area £ 15 410
Average houseprice £ 148 000

Its not bad...comparing our situation....its wonderful!
tart-on-tour   Mar 21, 07, 13:15 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger
Its not bad...comparing our situation....its wonderful!


LS - what are the equivalent figures in your area then?
Giles   Mar 21, 07, 13:17 /  #
Here's part of my reasoning for uping sticks and going to Polska to live. If I want a morgage in London I will tie myself down to a financial millstone for the next 30 years.
I don't want that I go to Poland no financial millstone. End of story.
The people that are pushing house prices up ARE not a people like me. Neither are they property investors, it is Poles who are working abroad, sending money home to buy houses that are pushing the prices up. If there are 2 million Poles outside Poland sending money home and if on average they sent £5000 a year home, well you do the maths. £10,000,000,000 STERLING this is far more than any foreign investment companies bring into the housing market.
Giles   Mar 21, 07, 13:21 /  #
The upshot of the current economic situation is that Poland where as before it had fewer social classes, now due to the influx of money, outflux of labour, new social classes are being born, new money is breeding its own social agenda. Those who will truely be left behind are the peasant classes ( I'm not being mean here, when I say peasant I mean countryside folk, not derogatory slander).
The cities will become financially stronger and attract the more able and determined, in the longterm this will create social decline in the countryside.
LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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  Mar 21, 07, 13:45 /  #
Quoting: Giles
this will create social decline in the countryside.

Which is not good.
BubbaWooThreads: 46
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  Mar 21, 07, 13:51 /  #
Quoting: tart-on-tour
LS - what are the equivalent figures in your area then?

LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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Edited by: LoneStranger   Mar 21, 07, 14:02 /  #
Average wage in my area US$ 1700 (approx)
Average houseprice US$ 142,000 (two bed)
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  Mar 21, 07, 14:03 /  #
Lodz, Poland
LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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  Mar 21, 07, 14:05 /  #
Please note: Average wage dont show the actual wage of the majoity of people. Some very high wages, with some medium wages... added with a large portion of low wages make that up. I guess you all know it already...but still I thought I add this.
Giles   Mar 21, 07, 14:57 /  #
yup, correct LS what we should find out is hwat is the median, wage.
ZgubionyThreads: 21
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  Mar 21, 07, 15:18 /  #
Quoting: hullo
Poland is for Poland, not the British or Americans

Uh...what about the American accepting the PL in our country..or do you fell as if PL people shouldn't come here either? I think the world should be an open door. Especially if opportunity is available.
LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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  Mar 21, 07, 15:31 /  #
Quoting: Zgubiony
Poland is for Poland, not the British or Americans

Thats extreme.
BubbaWooThreads: 46
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  Mar 21, 07, 15:36 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger
Quoting: Zgubiony
Poland is for Poland, not the British or Americans

Thats extreme.


yeah zgub... you gotta get into being part of the eu dude... its the only way forward...
ZgubionyThreads: 21
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  Mar 21, 07, 15:54 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger
Quoting: Zgubiony
Poland is for Poland, not the British or Americans

Thats extreme.


Hey...I didn't say this. Get yer quotes right LS

Come to NJ Everyone is welcome I'll make NJ part of the EU....you just wait and see
tart-on-tour   Mar 21, 07, 16:09 /  #
Quoting: Zgubiony
I'll make NJ part of the EU


Hang on a bit, I thought the UK was a US state already. That Tony Blair is a junior administrator in the Bush administration isn't he? We'll have to come out of the USA,, rejoin the EU and then NJ can join
ZgubionyThreads: 21
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  Mar 21, 07, 16:12 /  #
Quoting: tart-on-tour
That Tony Blair is a junior administrator in the Bush administration isn't he?

Yeah, I think he changes Georgies Depend undergarments too
ArturSzastakThreads: 6
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  Mar 21, 07, 17:39 /  #
Quoting: Zgubiony
Come to NJ Everyone is welcome I'll make NJ part of the EU....you just wait and see



What part? I used to live in Clifton, Wallington, and Garfield
daffyThreads: 40
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  Mar 21, 07, 18:26 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger

Your country is very rich. You can afford alot more than we do


Thats a ridiculious statement. its all relative perception. The cost of living actually is VERY similar all across the EU. the fact is truer to say that the UK and IRE it is MORE expensive to live here! (due to logistics of supplying island nations) The fact that the UK pound is worth 5zl and that the Polish Economey is not up to EU avg (yet)

Quoting: LoneStranger
Average wage in my area US$ 1700 (approx)
Average houseprice US$ 142,000 (two bed)


$1700 per year?

You should move to wroclaw mate, I was there last week and saw MUCH better average than the one you quote.

Average wage in my area (per year) EUR 34,000 (approx)
Average houseprice EUR 350,000 (two bed - add extra 100,000 if Dublin)

Its a pain no matter where you go LS. Poland is no exception and is not the only one in this situation. foreigners buy here and will buy in poland. (It no cause to start Jihad, KKK, nazi-istic attitudes)
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  Mar 21, 07, 21:56 /  #
Quoting: ola123
We dont want foreigners in Poland buying out our homes


a home - roof over head - is a basic right for all people. You shouldn't have to work day and night and spend every last penny to secure that right. It makes me SICK! the way people go around buying up homes they can afford - and sell them for profit. Sure people can make money any way they like - they can choke on their profits for all I care - but leave homes alone. Homes are for families - to bring up children - to create strong neigbourhoods - you know the basics that define quality of life. In western Europe and US this is rotting away. I see Poland going this way too. It's just a matter of time. So everybody - make as much money as you can - have yer party and F*** every one else!.... right...?
larry casulaThreads: 4
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  Mar 21, 07, 22:57 /  #
Ogorek,

Means cucumber in Polish???

i somewhat agree about a roof over your head, but disagree it is a right, I believe it is a priveledge, if you can afford more you are priveledged to have a bigger home, same with driving in US is not a right its a priveledge, because it can be taken away from you if you break the law too many times, same as a house, if you don't pay for it it will be foreclosed upon, but i understand your frustration very much. In america it is not he homes that are screwing up the people, its the "Free Society" living, moreover the humanisitc belief that what you believe is right is right and what your nieghbor believes is right is right, this leads to no absolutes in the world, so secular humanism is running rampant in America today, and I can not stand it. So I believe that you came from the old school of thinking about families, and I like that, i do too, i am not for someone else raising my boys, its up to me to put a foot up their A** when they need it.
But there are alot of people who do work day and night to keep themselves housed, and in america is is because most spend too much and do not save enough. I know in Poland is different, i have a friend who's mother works 6 days a week 10 hours a day and brings home 1600zl a month, so thats about 450 american??, pretty loousy, thank God their ome is paid for.
Anyway, i am sorry for your plight and I hop esomeday you wont have to work that hard.
I can say that because no one gave me anything and I worked very hard for what i have. So i am sure you are proudof what you have and have worked to have.
You knwo in America no one has the right to own a home, they have to pay for it, and many mortgage themsleves up to the breaking point, but the real estate industry has fueled our economy and there are many jobs because of this.
Let me ask you a question, i do not know what you do for a living, but can you change your job and do better so you can afford a better home, or so you do not have to work so hard?? Can you change your circumstances to make a betterlife for yourself, i only am asking this sincerely, because honestly i do not know. I have no Idea where you live or what it is like in your neigborhood. I know I am jumping into this conversation, but there are market influences that no one can stop, there are always going to be poeple who make money on real estate, I build homes, I used to sell real estate for 20 years, i have seen homes that sold for 35,000 in 1985 go for 200,000 now. Inflation, buyers in the market, there are alot of influences that drive up prices, not just greed, rememeber there are people buying these homes to live in, and the market sets the prices, not the seller.
In a sellers market they get good prices becasue demand is up, but in a market we have now where there is alot of inventory, prices stagnet and come down, because there is less demand, I have droped my prices and changed my sttradegies on how big of a home to design and build because of market influences. So there are alot more things at play that no one can control, and that is unfortunate for u, so I am sorry that you have this problem, i hope it can change for u in the future!!
hullo   Mar 21, 07, 23:26 /  #
Quoting: BubbaWoo
you havent quite come to grips with the new reality that poland now lives in have you...?

oh well... keep trying...


You haven't got your hand off it since you have been on this forum BubbaWoo, The reality is that the average people in Poland are worst off when people from overseas take over Poland and its real estate, I don't mean people like you who are just small time operators picking up the crumbs, you may ask yourself is it worth it? at the end of the day the stress associated with buying, capital gains tax and if you make 100,000zl thats peanuts.. The people who will make the money are multi nationals who have worked out schemes to pay less tax, have there own accountants and buy up big. I don't think you and your other mates on the forum are in that league, sorry buddy.

In truth Ola is correct in what she says and if we don't get these foreign investors on the straight we Will get them on the roundabout, Understand Polish people don't like being taken for a ride as people in the UK or the USA would object if wealthy people form another country were to buy up all its real estate.
Me think that people coming in from the UK or USA should have plenty of insurance.
larry casulaThreads: 4
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  Mar 22, 07, 06:06 /  #
Hullo,

Hello!!
Sorry couldn't he;p that, so please take as a funny jesture!1 Man there are foriegn investors all over America, have you ever herd of the Stock market?? There they invest in the housing market by the billions holding notes on Mortgages, and I personally sold a foriegn investor years ago 5 homes. So I got my paycheck and he got his rentals. Lets face it there is always going to be the ones who rent and the ones who own, it is part of a capitolistic society, was Poland better off in communism?? Heck no, I am not sure of Polish capital gains taxes, but in America if it is not your personal residence (principal) you pay taxes when you sell it minus costs to sell, there are no other deductions, if it is held in a business name it still does not matter. Last year I paid 45K in Fedaeral taxes on my business for 120,000K income for my business. Is very high corporate tax rate, and the more you make the higher tax they take, so there are no short cuts, paying less tax is a misnomer. I paid the bill, I should know, and believe me it wasn't easy writting the check, but if I don't want to go to jail, I will. Our counties thrive on transfer taxes from the sales, they get 1.5% of the price, they make a killing on this tax, so the gov't gets their share.
LoneStrangerThreads: 3
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  Mar 22, 07, 06:25 /  #
Quoting: daffy
daffy

You will not get it.

Problem is that you think in one line. The British way... and you want to keep thinking like that.

The wage scale you showed are for all of Wroclow? I dont think so...hello...its my country we are talking about in here.

I showed you about Lodz. And we, the Poles, eventually will decide what to do with our future and present. The new generation will device out better ways...

We are no nazi-stic etc... We have our right think think about how we are going to build and develop our society... We, the people who are living here - not only for commercial reasons. And these people dont only include native Poles, but all other communities (no matter how small) living and staying inside Poland with their families.

We need development in the housing sector. We need a balance in foreign investment. We need such a plan, that it become alot more easy for the ordinary Pole to buy a flat/house.

The young Pole will do it. And all around me I hear the same voice rising among the youths of Poland.

This is our right to build. We decide our future. We will manage our own country...the EU comes alot much later! If we find any other organisation better than EU in the future...we should not hesitate to join (just an example).

I do not want to stop foreighners from buying. I want a better system, which enables the ordinary Polish man to be able to own a house within the age of 30 maximum.
daffyThreads: 40
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  Mar 22, 07, 09:28 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger

I do not want to stop foreighners from buying. I want a better system, which enables the ordinary Polish man to be able to own a house within the age of 30 maximum.


well hey thats the bottom line and ALL i care about. I am talking about ola23's ridiculous racist remarks that are disgusting and against ANY moralistic society and not a good image for poland she is.

Poland is lovely and if i want. (and if i can afford) I will buy there.
Ireland is not british btw. And Ireland has the same difficulties you face for young people so get over yourself! youve been told by several people how it is in different countries and it IS the same for all young people. We just cannot afford houses right now. I agree there needs to be more help given to first time buyers and better taxes on those buying investment properties.

my main arguement was the blatent xenophobia
daffyThreads: 40
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  Mar 22, 07, 09:31 /  #
Quoting: LoneStranger
the ordinary Polish man


ill assume you mean person and are not limiting house ownership to only men.

Quoting: LoneStranger
The wage scale you showed are for all of Wroclow? I dont think so..


eh, i dont think so either! maybe you dont understand english so well as i asked you 1700zl per year? which means i was ASKING YOU to confirm this.

and i DID NOT mention wroclaw wage average. I mentioned IRISH wage average.

I DID note the prices of houses in wroclaw are not as bad as your making out. One of my polish friends works in real estate there and I can see myself (you dont have to be Polish to see houses for sale in windows of real estate shops WHILE standing outside it in the street in Wroclaw!!)
ola123   Mar 22, 07, 10:38 /  #
Quoting: szkotja2007
Just for some comparison -

Average wage in my area £ 15 410
Average houseprice £ 148 000



Average wage (monthly) in Poland 1 800 zl netto

Flat 40m2 in Wroclaw 350 000 zl

House 700 000 zl

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