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Lee_EnglandThreads: 5 Posts: 80 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Edited by: Lee_England Mar 22, 07, 19:40 / #
Quoting: hullo property boom, generated by overseas interests... All of the deals us (foreigners) make are ultimately with Poles, the houses we are buying are from Poles and higher earning "British" poles are doing the same thing. Nothing in this world is free, English investment in Poland is the price that comes with Poles being allowed access to the UK. Basically its a 2 way thing. I really can't debate the moral implications, but I am just trying to build a future for myself so that I can get a wife and start a family. How am I any different from the Poles who are coming to England to work? Are they not just doing the same?

hullo	Mar 22, 07, 20:24 / #
Quoting: Lee_England How am I any different from the Poles who are coming to England to work? Are they not just doing the same? Good Point, they are probally filling in a labour market shortage, working in most cases below the award wages, secondly they are not buying up real estate and causing a increase in the property market. I have no problem with people from other countries living in Poland and starting a new life, but not the cowboys wishing to make a quick buck. I rather suspect people wanting to settle in Poland will in time be very disappointed and return home, the polish way of life is very unique and not many really adapt to it... The short term offers cheap booze, smokes etc, when this wears out and or sickness these people will want to be on home ground.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 23, 07, 02:29 / #
Quoting: hullo I'm not having a go at you personally as you have a Polish wife not me blue

BoglerThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Mar 18, 07	Mar 23, 07, 11:49 / #
What they want? Us Brits or the Russians back, this time with more cash to spend?

Giles	Mar 23, 07, 12:07 / #
People need to get with the program, go out and get their money. As 50 Cent says, "Get rich or die tryin'"

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 23, 07, 12:12 / #
whup G... wondered when you would get here

CosmoThreads: 5 Posts: 20 Joined: Feb 2, 07	Mar 23, 07, 12:57 / #
At Ola123, How come you are so worried about foreigners buying polish property? You think it's easy to buy a house or land?? The only way you will be allowed by the ministry of internal affairs is if you actually have a reason for living here. As in, working for a polish company, having family here, or married to a Polish citizen. I'm already waiting for over 2 months for my permit to buy a small house with my polish wife. And for the record i do work here very happily, mainly because local ppl could not be found to do my job. NB: these rules about buying property are in place for another 2 years, after this market will be open to anyone. Making every polish house owner rich.....

Giles	Mar 23, 07, 12:59 / #
Ola, dear thing is young and extremely ignorant. bUT SHE'S LEARNING.

CosmoThreads: 5 Posts: 20 Joined: Feb 2, 07	Mar 23, 07, 13:01 / #
And another thing, prices don't rise because of foreigners, but by local demand, and shortage of appartments/houses. My neighbour wanted to apply for an appartment, yet to be build, not far from here in Gdansk. In a new building where there will be 50 appartments, already more then 400 potential buyers signed up for the waiting list. No wonder prices will rise.

Giles	Mar 23, 07, 13:33 / #
Thank you Cosmo, glad to see you know what you are talking about, so many people here don't.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Mar 23, 07, 15:27 / #
To buy property in Poland would have been better years ago-you could buy a real bargain. In Czestochowa, I was offered a huge detatched house (an old style) for less than 20,000 pounds but I think that these good old days are at an end. Like everything else the golden days come to an end. Too late now, try Romania or even Bulgaria. You could have bought land a long time ago as an investment and then have your own purpose built house made to your own specifications now. You should have thought about this six or seven years ago though...

HULLO	Mar 23, 07, 18:38 / #
Quoting: Cosmo NB: these rules about buying property are in place for another 2 years, after this market will be open to anyone. Making every polish house owner rich..... HOW NICE. THIS WILL MEAN THAT BUBBAWOO WILL BE A MULTI MILLIONAIRE AND MOST POLISH PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO WORK 100 YEARS TO PURCHASE A APARTMENT. MOST POLISH PEOPLE WILL BE RENTING AND PAYING THERE RENT TO RICH LAND LORDS LIVING IN GB AND USA. ME THINK TIME FOR ANOTHER REVOLUTION

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 23, 07, 21:00 / #
Quoting: HULLO ME THINK TIME FOR ANOTHER REVOLUTION to think that a revolution would solve anything these days does.... i try hard not say what i think....bubba does that, but come on Hullo!!! violence? racism? bigotry? That's what you are saying here!!

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Edited by: Ranj Mar 23, 07, 21:11 / #
Quoting: HULLO THIS WILL MEAN THAT BUBBAWOO WILL BE A MULTI MILLIONAIRE You hear that, BW? Will you be my sugardaddy? Me luv you longtime! In all seriousness, Hullo, Bubba works for his money....he pays his dues, and he's not out to cheat anyone, so why would you begrudge him success? I'm a firm believer that a person can accomplish ANYTHING they choose, if they have the desire and determination, even the people from Poland. If you continue to believe that you will never be able to afford a home, then you probably never will.....people create their own realities!

ola123	Mar 24, 07, 01:05 / #
Quoting: HULLO ME THINK TIME FOR ANOTHER REVOLUTION I agree.

CosmoThreads: 5 Posts: 20 Joined: Feb 2, 07	Mar 24, 07, 03:32 / #
This discussion will never end..... Obviously some people fail to see the bigger picture and refuse to listen to other arguments. I believe at the end of the day it's good for a country when prices/value of real estate increase....Would you prefer it if there was no interest at all in Poland from other european countries? Just think about all the foreign money being spend here. The EU is spending millions and millions in an effort to get the country back on its feet. After decades where there was virtually no money spend on infrastructure and housing the west is picking up the bill for this. Poland wants the help from the EU, and gets all the help it needs...So being a full member of the EU your country is open to everyone to work and live. You can't have one without the other..... At the same time while other countries open their borders for millions of polish people, a few people do the opposite and decide to work and live in poland. Bringing and spending a lot of money and making the country better. And still they seem to face a huge amount of negativity. Ola and Hullo, believe me, for now it really is not easy to move here and buy property. The paperwork, regulations and rules required is beyond me. Have a nice weekend all...

ola123	Edited by: ola123 Mar 24, 07, 04:15 / #
Cosmo dont be dumb, EU is not charity, they got free white slaves in our people which work for shite money taking jobs noone wanted before and buy out our homes in our homeland in order to make money on us. In your opinion west is soooo good and we are so ungrateful. haha West sold us 50 years ago and destroyed our land so they should pay for it now. They havent done it yet and stealing our land is not making any good for them.

CosmoThreads: 5 Posts: 20 Joined: Feb 2, 07	Mar 24, 07, 05:34 / #
So what is your solution then Ola? How would you like to see future? Poland member of EU yes or no, open borders yes or no? BTW, I do agree the west should not have given poland up to the russians after the war. But that was half a century ago and lets move forward now and come up with some constructive discussion about this issue. Don't let emotions get in the way of this .....

miranda	Mar 24, 07, 05:48 / #
People do create their own realities, but at what price. I don't believe that some people will ever be able to afford houses simply because they are close to retirement or they have other limitations. Some people luck of housing has to do with their economic situation, and if there is not job, there is no job. Especially in certain parts of Poland.

ola123	Mar 24, 07, 05:53 / #
Selling us to Russia had its result in our poorness right now so I wont forget it and will mention this every time the discussion is about polish economy, its strictly connected how can you not see it. Our situation as new EU member is very unfair as we have to face countries that were free since WWII, built their strong economy and now want to buy out our land and make us their economic slaves. We have no chance against storng economically countries so there should be restrictions when it comes to property market and prices in our land. It doesnt mean that Im against EU, Im all for it but so far we are treated very unfair. My solution to the property market is: Every member of EU should be allowed to work and buy home in every EU country only if he lived and worked constatntly in this country for three or more past years.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 24, 07, 06:06 / #
Quoting: ola123 there should be restrictions when it comes to property market there are restrictions... huge ones that make the property buying process very difficult for non-poles... but only for another couple of years... mmwwwuhhhhaaahhaaa

miranda	Edited by: miranda Mar 24, 07, 06:07 / #
Ola, if you have read any real estate market analysis, you would find out that bying property by foreign investors is just one of the reason the market has gone up. Ola, why don't you form an organization who proposes such things to the government of Poland. I know, I know, Polish government does not cooperate. Yet, staring small it migh grow into a bigger thing. Nowdays people use the internet to set up websites for such things and organize petitions. Perhaps that's a solution for now, since bashing foreing memebrs of this forum just creates a bad atmosphere. They will go ahead and buy, if they have a chance anyways.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 24, 07, 06:09 / #
Quoting: miranda bying property by foreign investors is jus one of the reason the market has gone up and a very very small one at that

ola123	Mar 24, 07, 06:11 / #
bub dont tell me I didnt warn you.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 24, 07, 06:22 / #
you are obviously making veiled warnings of sorts but i am not quite clear about what

LoneStrangerThreads: 3 Posts: 531 Joined: Jan 30, 07	Mar 24, 07, 06:23 / #
Calm down all... dont let a discussion turn into hostile argument... lets keep it til making points - giving opinions - and disscuss! After all we are all humans...all the same. I agree... and it is just very true...that I also witness among Polish youth (in an ever increasing number)... and they are no happy about the HOUSING SECTOR... they feel dissappointed... our ecomonical situation is not improving at a similar rate to the rising prices. Just the simple dreams look like fantasies... it is painful for many people. Different people deal with it in different manners - Although the goal is same ... a home. Trust me my friends from all over the world... it is a lovely little dream I can see in the eyes of my friends... although after some time... i trace sorrow ~ because some fear it might not come soon enough... or never come to them at all. Not only the Native Polish, but also the immigrant person who is definately now a Polish (living and earning here - be s/he from any race or religion). But then... there is always a good solution! Solution that suits everyone... all must make a few compromises... for a good healthy solution - without any ill feeling created between fellow humans! I wish all the people here all the success in life! Also...I pray that our govt. understands that the average Pole's basic needs are far from being met.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 24, 07, 07:07 / #
The EU is not a charoty ola we agree. The EU is an organisation built on bettering the lives of EU citizens. This includes Poland. And now the EU are helping you to build Poland into an economic power to better the lives of its citizens and the citizens of all Europe. (where is the Charity in that? - its simple economics. If i do well and you do well, we both do well. This is opposed to older 'nation' economics of the early 20th Century which helped in precipitating war! - the sanctions and the collapsed economey allowed Hitler to manuipulated a starving nation. The EU has now since prevented this from ever happening again. Yes or No? (rhetorical question, the answer is obviously, Yes)) Now, when people are frustrated and roused, they look for someone or something to blame. In the housing market, you see foreign investors as the aggressor. I think you should find the property analysis about who is buying what in Poland. If you wish to 'blame' anyone (and i dont suggest blame is appropriate at all) its your government you should focus on. It is the Polish Government you need to 'warn about pending revolution about property' not innocent investors from home or abroad who's only crime is having the money. (Which your crime is envy! - if you had the money you wouldnt be here talking about this) I know it is frustrating. I cannot afford a home in my own country (or yours!!!) but I know economics and its not down to foreign investors (though they exist) it is a combination of many factors! along with global markets, costs of materials, labour, access to services and facilites, increasing wages, increased demand greater than supply, government policy, etc. Look towards your own governments policy on housing ola and i believe you will see why you cannot afford a home. If there is any linear, logical, rational thought, you cannot deny 1+1=2

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 24, 07, 07:12 / #
Quoting: daffy If i do well and you do well, we both do well. You are so smart Daf.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 24, 07, 07:12 / #
Quoting: daffy daffy diplomatic voice of reason

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 24, 07, 07:13 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Quoting: daffy If i do well and you do well, we both do well. You are so smart Daf. wiem, wiem ale can you believe i felt i HAD to state the obvious....

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