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derek trotterThreads: 12
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Edited by: derek trotter   Nov 23, 09, 22:30 /  #
I would never believe that would happening to me :)
Today I was first time in my life targeted by real Russian scam marriage system, never really believed it exist, I've watched some programs about them long time ago but thought it finally stopped. No way
So today I had a pleasure to get a letter from some Diana Shamova, don't know where she got my email from
quick search on google and wow:

http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7249

PS actually I had a quick check of her email which was dianashamov.yahoo.com and got above website.
Be careful guys, Wildrover be careful :) I am pointing you cos you mention recently about some gals from Russia :)

PS2 Question to guys from Russia, Whats wrong with your women?

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  Nov 23, 09, 22:51 /  #
wildrover might be soon:) if he is not careful.
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  Nov 25, 09, 19:02 /  #
derek trotter
Dear..... whoever... Why you are so sure its a WOMAN and she is from RUSSIA ?
I can surprise you, but it may be even your neighbour Pszemek writing from web-page that is registrated on the Australian domen/
Believe me , its look more probable then your ideas . Stude the subject before makeing this kind of statements ! )))
of course its a scamers in Internet. But they are from anywhere. And hide behind the names and pictures of Russian girls cause all world knows about beauty of Russian women. Nothing els

Natalia. Russian Woman
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  Nov 25, 09, 23:31 /  #
derek trotter
I don't think this is a Russian problem, in fact i would be surprised if any of the scammers, where themselves Russian. As for the pictures that could of be any random Russian girl (or just Russian looking) Anybody could find a profile on the internet with plenty of pictures of the same person (take facebook for example) and throw together a bit of a scam (write bad English letters :) ) then send them to whoever they like.

This should not leave a black mark next to the 'Russian girls/women' as it is not their fault and nothing to do with them, its the people behind the scam that need lynching!!!!

Personally i don't think looking for love or marriage on the internet is a good idea, for both sides, i watched a channel 4 documentary where Russian brides were brought to the UK to become wives to British men. It turned out the life they were welcomed into was not what they were told, a shame really but i guess it shows the dangers for both sides man/girl.

Natalilia:
Natalia. Russian Woman

I do not think that he was having a go at Russian women, i think it was more directed at the scam (which happened to include a pretend Russian woman) so there is no need to go to town on the guy :) He is just warning others about the scam
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Edited by: derek trotter   Nov 26, 09, 00:27 /  #
tornado2007
right. after receiving first letter form daria shamova ( who ever she/he/it is ) I wrote back to f..ck off and....... got reply :)

Hello Andy. I am again glad to see your letter.
Unfortunately, at me it has not turned out to tell completely about itself in the first letter,
but now i will try to tell about myself as much as possible. On character I quiet, simple and not the proud.
I never will make to other person of the bad. I very vigorous girl,
always with good mood also am always glad to help any person if there is such possibility.
Andy, i cannot precisely describe the character because it will be very difficult.
I think, that you can understand my character during correspondence.
I have very little a rest, because i find basic time for the work.
I need to be always prepared for next day that i could give to children all that is necessary for their knowledge.
I think, that to you I am very interesting to know in what country I live. I in Russia, in very fine city which is called Yoshkar Ola.
He small, but very beautiful. I like to live in this city.
If you wish to learn more about my city you can visit a site yomap.ru/drupal/
Andy it is very interesting to me, what you know about Russia?
There where i live, there are remarkable vacation spots where it is possible to have a rest from the heavy working day.
Andy it is very interesting to me to know about you all. You like to go in for sports?
And you are engaged in what kinds of sports? I very much love summer, because this finest season.
In the summer we together with mum and sister go on a summer residence.
On a summer residence, we grow up a potato and other fruits for our house. Andy you have a summer residence?
Today I would like to send you a photo where i am on the summer residence. I hope to you my photo is pleasant.
On days off i with the girlfriend go to an exercise room to support myself in the sports form.
Andy I hope, that you will always tell about yourself much. I wish to know all about you. It is time to me to finish my letter.
It is time to me, i will wait your answer.
Yours Diana.

she/he/it knows my name cos when I replied I haven't noticed ( fu..ckin hotmail.com ) that my name will be added to email as well :( :( :(

these scamers are form Russia, not some stupid Pole or Gambian, Zambian or whoever

and nice photo attached

f..ck photo too big ( but nice by the way )
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  Nov 26, 09, 00:35 /  #
derek trotter
lol, maybe she just gets turned on by the over agressive type, you never know :)

Interesting to read the letter though, they even made the effort to fcuk up the English!!!!

I'm guessing your expecting another letter in the near future even if you don't reply??

So when is she going to ask for money??? what do you reckon the reason will be to throw her 100's or 1000's of pounds at her??
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Edited by: derek trotter   Nov 26, 09, 00:48 /  #
tornado2007:
p

God knows when they ask about money. If they do I will send them some of my funny money from monopoly game. I wonder if they use some form of Russian-English translator cos the lingo is so f.cked up, you can't write like that if you have a bit of brain.
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  Nov 26, 09, 00:56 /  #
derek trotter:
these scamers are form Russia, not some stupid Pole

Oh, ya, don't miss the opportunity to enforce good old national stereotypes.
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  Nov 26, 09, 00:58 /  #
Bzibzioh
I am a Pole so ? am I enforcing some stereotypes ?
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  Nov 26, 09, 01:03 /  #
derek trotter:
I am a Pole so ?

So are you stupid?
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  Nov 26, 09, 01:09 /  #
derek trotter:
Yoshkar Ola

Could be Mari or perhaps Tatar.
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  Nov 26, 09, 01:25 /  #
derek trotter:
you can't write like that if you have a bit of brain.

I'm pretty sure they are doing it on purpose.
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Edited by: wildrover   Nov 26, 09, 12:28 /  #
If you look on the net , there are whole sites devoted to uncovering Russian scammers....A few of them are women who are after money of course , but most of them are run by a bunch of guys....They rent a small office ,put in a few computers , then either copy some pictures of pretty Russian girls , or even stop some pretty girl in the street and ask her to pose for some pictures...Put the pics on the net , and wait for some sucker to reply...

Once the contact is made , the young pretty girl quickly falls in love with the fat bald desperate old British or American guy who replies to her , her letters may or may not be actually written by a woman...

The next step is of course the meeting for which the lovely girl needs some money for her flight to you , after sending the money , then there is a problem with a visa , some money is needed to bribe some official or other....

If you are sucker enough to part with all this cash , they may go for the final scam....All of a sudden the poor girls dear mother falls ill , she desperatly needs money for medicine , or an operation before she can make her trip to you....

Needless to say , you don,t see your money again , and the girl suddenly ends contact with you....you have been had...!

The net is full of such stories , there seem to be no end of people dumb enough to fall for this scam , type Russian scammers into your puter , and see all the letters these scammers write , i have a collection of them myself....

There are of course some lovely Russian women out there that are real , and genuine , i have just found one.... If you don,t get blinded by these pretty pictures , and use your common sense its easy enough to spot the scammers , they all use the same methods...There are many sites that advise on such scams , and tell you how to spot them....DON,T send any money to them...!

I make it pretty clear from the start that i do not have any money , that usually gets rid of them pretty quickly.... Don,t let the scammers put you off , its possible to find lovely Russian women out there , my Ksusha is the sweetest , most lovely person i ever met , and i know for sure she is real and genuine... In the spring we will meet probably in Ukraine , we are already very close , and i have no doubt we will get on very well when we meet...

Don,t let the scammers put you off lovely Russian women , just use your sense...!
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  Nov 26, 09, 12:51 /  #
derek trotter:
Diana Shamova

She does look well in the second pic, i'm taking her out this friday :-)
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  Nov 26, 09, 13:04 /  #
Natalilia:
all world knows about beauty of Russian women.

Natalia is a very nice example of a pretty Russian woman...i have met her , and she is definatly real....
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  Nov 26, 09, 15:00 /  #
Natalilia:
cause all world knows about beauty of Russian women. Nothing els

Some russian women.Natalias not Suczki.


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  Nov 26, 09, 15:22 /  #
A friend of mine in Cote D'Ivoire notices sometimes in cafes with WiFi some guys using the public connection to do scams like these. He seems them chatting away, pretending to be someone else and attaching various pictures. Natalia has a point about hiding behind Russian women, because they're doing these scams all the way in West Africa!!

The only way to find out is to go all the way with this thing and track the location of the bank account or money transfer... would that work? And are you willing to go that far Derek?
derek trotterThreads: 12
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  Nov 26, 09, 15:32 /  #
never heard of these from Cote D'Ivoire but it could be true.
what I came up first when browsing internet is scam done by some folks from Russia
( Mari El ) area,

from wiki:

There have been allegations that Mari El, and in particular its capital city Yoshkar-Ola, is a centre of operation for a number of international criminal gangs who obtain money from people by fraudulent means.

A number of dating scams are said to originate in Mari El, whereby criminals will place profiles on dating sites, often using fake identities and photographs (although the profiles will typically state that they come from a variety of locations in Russia and other former Soviet Union states). Young women typically establish a correspondence with people, "fall in love" in a very short time, and then attempt to obtain money on various pretexts.[15]

Reports vary as to the extent of the problem, with some sources indicating that as many as 50% of the male and 90% of the female profiles on dating sites are bogus. Other sources are more conservative, however, and estimate that only about 10% of the profiles are false. The extent of fraud will vary from site to site, as some dating sites carry out more stringent checks and vetting procedures than others.
[edit] Arrests

13 September 2006

More than a hundred people were detained in the course of a special police operation, which had been held on September 13, 2006 by the Federal Security Service Department of Mari El. The operation was aimed at capturing the Internet scammers who posted introduction profiles on different sites, portraying themselves as women who wanted to get married to foreigners. In those profiles they used other people's photos illegally. Such Mari "fiancees" regularly tapped money from their men, motivating this with the necessity to learn English or paying for the driving lessons.

According to the special services, this criminal business was built on the following scheme. Organizers rented apartments in the quietest districts of Yoshkar-Ola, turned them into small offices, equipping them with satellite Internet access and several computers. The role of "fiancees" corresponding with the foreigners were mostly played by students, who received 10 or 15% of the amount they managed to tap from the clients.

August 2006

It was the application from a German citizen, who had transferred 26,000 euros to his future fiancee's bank account in Yoshkar-Ola, that helped the police officers from "K" department to find the traces of the criminals. "The scammer did not appear to meet her future husband, she also never returned the money, and stopped corresponding. Later it was found out that the German citizen was sent a photo of a famous Russian ballet dancer instead of a picture of his possible fiancee", informs the press center.

Having checked up the information, officers of "K" department, Ministry of Internal Affairs of Mari El republic found out that the correspondence was carried on from a so-called "office" settled in an apartment in Yoshkar-Ola, where the seven members of the criminal group were arrested. Also, the police established the identity of the two organizers of the criminal business and the two women with a good knowledge of English, who helped with phone talks with foreigners.

During the search there were found 16 computers, a large amount of money, correspondence in foreign languages, bank tickets about money transfers from foreign citizens and other exhibits.
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  Nov 26, 09, 15:38 /  #
derek trotter:
from a German citizen, who had transferred 26,000 euros to his future fiancee's bank account in Yoshkar-Ola, that helped the police officers from "K" department to find the traces of the criminals. "The scammer did not appear to meet her future husband, she also never returned the money, and stopped corresponding. Later it was found out that the German citizen was sent a photo of a famous Russian ballet dancer instead of a picture of his possible fiancee",

What do you expect from a german?
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  Nov 26, 09, 16:59 /  #
derek trotter:
transferred 26,000 euros to his future fiancee's bank account

What a plonker.....He could have bought a lot of Tirovka for that money....?
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  Nov 26, 09, 17:08 /  #
derek trotter:
Today I was first time in my life targeted by real Russian scam marriage system,

Ive been recieving lovely letters from Russian ladies for years now. Its all butterfly this and my heart cries out for you and all that crap.
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  Nov 26, 09, 17:59 /  #
It is such a shame for those genuine Russian ladies that seek their other half outside Russia....I have been to Russia , met Russian ladies , and they are not a nation of scammers , far from it... Its fair to say there a large number of them who would consider a western man a good catch , but quite often its not simply about money , western men are considered to treat their women better and not so likely to have a major vodka drinking problem....
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  Nov 26, 09, 18:05 /  #
wildrover:
It is such a shame for those genuine Russian ladies that seek their other half outside Russia....I have been to Russia , met Russian ladies , and they are not a nation of scammers , far from it... Its fair to say there a large number of them who would consider a western man a good catch , but quite often its not simply about money , western men are considered to treat their women better and not so likely to have a major vodka drinking problem....

nice post and makes a lot of sense, this thread should not be about knocking Rusky's but about knocking the Scammers!!! These sorts of scams are happening all around the world, where there are men to be sucked up for scams, there are scammers.
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Edited by: southern   Nov 26, 09, 18:22 /  #
In these countries the mentality is if you get scammed then you deserved to get scammed.
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  Nov 27, 09, 14:19 /  #
nice chat :)
Boys ... sometimes i get letters from .... probably USA .... with offer to make my penis bigger. Even 10 cm more !! OMG !!!
Shall i answer even though i do not need it at all ! ???
Or ?
And open a thema here :)
everybody gets such kind of letters every day.
It is kind of business.
Don't understand your enthusiasm in such a case.
By the way. In net is a lot of pages with the "blacklist" of famous russian scammers with names, addresses and pictures. Would be you surprised to know , that most of pictures belongs to russian pop-stars or models !!!!
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  Nov 27, 09, 14:35 /  #
Natalilia:
with offer to make my penis bigger.

Have you got the address please....?
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Edited by: Natalilia   Nov 27, 09, 15:07 /  #
wildrover:
| Natalilia:
with offer to make my penis bigger.
Have you got the address please....?

i am almost sure that girl who is writing for[quote=derek trotter]|


could have same address :))
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  Nov 27, 09, 15:10 /  #
I think i can maybe survive without it.....ha ha..
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Natalilia:
with offer to make my penis bigger. Even 10 cm more !!

Lady gospoza?
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  Nov 27, 09, 23:24 /  #
tornado2007:
I'm guessing your expecting another letter in the near future even if you don't reply??

So when is she going to ask for money??? what do you reckon the reason will be to throw her 100's or 1000's of pounds at her??

you were right
next lovely letter from my new princess diana shapowa. I am starting to have feelings towards her :)

Hello Andy. Here I write you the new letter.
I have not received from you the letter, but I am assured, that you write to me next time.
I miss on you. I think, that you write to me.
Today I said to my mum that I correspond with you, and now I will tell its reaction to our acquaintance.
I did not expect from her, but it was so, my mum was glad, that now I have the friend.
It seems to me, that with each letter I understand you better and better, and at me such sensation, that I know you many years.
I was very glad to learn about you a lot of the new. It is very interesting to me, you had earlier girlfriend or the beloved?
I ask you because I had very sad acquaintance to one person, It has appeared the deceiver.
It is sick and difficult to me to recollect about my relations.
Andy, I wish to tell at once to you, that further we would not have a conflict.
If I have not answered your letter I most likely do not have time for work, means, I am occupied.
Sometimes I very strongly get tired on work because I need to explain and lead up to children,
for their full knowledge, and it exhausts many forces.
Andy I wish to tell to you about photos, I will try as it is possible to send is more often mine of photos but if you though
once ask that I have sent you a naked photo I will cease to write at once to you. It will offend me.
I think, that it not respect under the relation to me.
And as about your photos, to me are not necessary bared or containing pornographic photos.
I will remove at once all your letters and more never I will write to you.
You should understand me, after all I search for love.
Whence I probably am very interesting to you I know your language? I know your language already from a school bench,
but, unfortunately, when I studied in a class 9, my training of your language has terminated,
and now to translate or write you letter I use the translator. It very conveniently and quickly to use the translator.
Andy I do not wish to risk more, and to break to myself a life, I wish to be simply happy and to live as the normal person.
I wait from the man of understanding, its love, and the most important thing, it is final, creations of a happy friendly family.
Without trust and love, will create a family very difficultly. I wish to test such feeling as love and I hope for it.
And consequently I have written to you, I have seen in you the real man.
Andy at me such feeling that, that between us happens, not only the friendship but that that is more,
and I do not wish to stop, I want new sensations. I trust you Andy and I wish to continue with you of dialogue.
I wish you all well. My ardent kiss for you.
Yours Diana.

nice

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