What is your opinion on the Polish Ladies in Krakow?

To the original OP, haven't you already got enough women in Prague to get around, although i guess you have to pay for 60% of those women as one of the most popular jobs in Prague seems to be prostitution (Although i must add they are not usually czech girls as far as i'm aware)

johncardwellThreads: 3 Posts: 117 Joined: May 3, 09	Jun 22, 09, 22:06 / #
Hi Everyone, Please advise. I am thinking about taking a vacation to Krakow from my home in Prague. I hear that the Krakow Ladies are so beautiful. I was even considering moving to Krakow and trying to teach and play music. But after reading these forums, and after having some bad experiences with Polish Ladies outside Poland, I am a little nervous to strike up any conversation. And I am considering canceling my trip. The last thing I need at my age is any kind of bad Western Attitude like the girls in the USA big cities give out or the girls in Prague give out. I am not arrogant. I am not looking for sex. Just curious about the Polish Culture and the way some of the ladies think. I studied Polish History a little and always had a deep respect for the way the Poles have fought bravely in history. I respected the Poles for their role in bringing down communism with the solidarity movement. I am sympathetic about the concentration camps and the katyn forest massacre. And I respected the Poles for their Catholicism and one of the greatest Popes ever. But things change. And with Westernization attitudes change. People get spoiled, selfish, and full of themselves and forget how to behave. I try to be polite all the time. But I have experienced this inferiority complex with Polish Ladies outside Poland several times. Manifested by sarcasm, criticism, smart-assed comments, and general disrespect, and poor low-level communication. My question is this... If I strike up conversation in some Jazz Club or on the street in Krakow with Polish Ladies age 25 to 35, how often am I going to get this bad attitude that I experienced with Polish Girls outside of Poland and I read about on these forums? 1 out of 5 times? 1 out of 10 times? Or most of the time? There is no exact number of course. Just a thought experiment. Maybe some other guys can give me their experiences. I hate sarcasm and snide comments. I had enough of it in the USA and Prague. And if I want to meet an unfriendly, hostile girl, I can just approach some American Girl or some Czech Girl in Prague. Should I even bother going to Krakow? I don't need this crap. Please be honest. I thank you in advance.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jun 22, 09, 22:10 / #
johncardwell: 1 out of 5 times? 1 out of 10 times? Or most of the time? i'd say it depends on you. johncardwell: The last thing I need at my age is any kind of bad Western Attitude like the girls in the USA big cities give out seems to me it may be your vibe.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Jun 22, 09, 22:10 / #
johncardwell: Should I even bother going to Krakow? No.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Jun 22, 09, 22:12 / #
johncardwell: Should I even bother going to Krakow? I don't need this crap. hello johncardwell, And welcome to the Polish Forums. It sounds like you have had some bad experiences but that is all they are. If you come here thinking like that, it is not going to be pleasant. I know you might think that I am being rude but I am not. It seems to me, you will find what you are looking for and if you look for badness, well that is what you are going to get. I am from Ireland and I live near Krakow and enjoy it here very much but that is just me. Best of luck.

sadieannThreads: 4 Posts: 320 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Jun 22, 09, 22:20 / #
johncardwell: But I have experienced this inferiority complex with Polish Ladies outside Poland several times. Manifested by sarcasm, criticism, smart-assed comments, and general disrespect, and poor low-level communication. johncardwell: Should I even bother going to Krakow? John, I think it might be best to stay home and re-group. Attitudes may be a reflection on how your presenting yourself. It sounds like you need to evaluate if your ready for any interaction with a WOMAN...Being happy within yourself would be a start.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Jun 22, 09, 22:26 / #
sadieann: John, I think it might be best to stay home and re-group And work on your chat up lines. The concentration camp angle does not seem to be working.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07	Jun 22, 09, 22:32 / #
johncardwell: 1 out of 5 times? 1 out of 10 times? Or most of the time? All the time.Hordes of british men have already destroyed the place.

johncardwellThreads: 3 Posts: 117 Joined: May 3, 09	Jun 22, 09, 22:52 / #
Hi everyone, Thanks for the fast feedback. I am friendly and try to be generous and mostly polite. Had good experiences in Dublin, Berlin, Munich, San Jose CR, San Salvador, Mexico City, Guatemala City, Tijuana, San Francisco. But not in Los Angeles or Prague. And as you said, probably not in Krakow. The attitude sounds all too familiar. I am probably going to stay away for now. Good advice. I really appreciate it. I owe you. You probably saved me lots of frustration and money. Sounds like there are other places where I am more compatible and so it is easier to be happier. I can put my efforts there. Once again thank you so much.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 22, 09, 22:55 / #
Krakovians have a reputation for being snobby and up themselves, I don't know if it's true. Half truths here and there maybe. Seriously, you have more options in life than to waste it on selfish, whimpering airheads.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Jun 22, 09, 22:55 / #
[quote=johncardwell]I can put my efforts there. Try Berlin. [quote=johncardwell]Once again thank you so much. Any time pal.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER	Jun 22, 09, 23:50 / #
SeanBM: I object to being referred in the same sentence with the other nut heads :) yes, ok then... :) plk123: are you denying then that krokowianki are stuck up? hehe i'm not denying anything... ;)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07	Jun 23, 09, 08:58 / #
johncardwell: And atheism is high. This has a lot to do with it.That is why czech girls' attitude carries similarity to russian one. johncardwell: Czech Girls in Prague might be the most promiscuous in Europe You talk too much. johncardwell: over half the girls in his high school class were working as prostitutes. Yes,it is very common.But it is private,why are you concerned?Czech women claim that they make far better prostitutes than backwards ukrainian or russian women,they consider czech prostitutes to be classy. johncardwell: like everyone is in bed with everyone. Cheating is the norm. This increases your chances to bed a hot girl.One of my czech lovers admitted that she has one boyfriend and five lovers at the same time.Even married women have boyfriends and lovers even girl-lovers.Czechs are great there is much tolerance,no ground for macho attitude.

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Edited by: MrBubbles Jun 23, 09, 11:52 / #
southern: One of my czech lovers admitted that she has one boyfriend and five lovers at the same time Don't know if I'd fancy that. I like a bit more tread on the tyres if you know what I mean. johncardwell: And with Westernization attitudes change. I don't know if Poland has really ever been an Eastern country in the same sense as somewhere like India or Japan. The only real difference is that goods and money were not as available as in Western Europe for a couple of decades. Sure there are some good looking girls in Krakow (a lot with nice personalities to go with it) but you'll find a lot of them are getting a bad diet these days - both from McDonalds and MTV. Make what you will of that. What was the name of your high school by the way? So I can avoid it next time I'm in Czech?

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jun 23, 09, 12:10 / #
Didn,t the original poster say he had a tourist business...? Seems to me he has just boosted the tourist industry no end , as now there will be lots of sad old guys jetting off to Prague in the hope of a certain score with a nubile young lady.....Well done that man....

johncardwellThreads: 3 Posts: 117 Joined: May 3, 09	Jun 22, 09, 23:34 / #
Hi everyone, If you have interest, one more question. I don't want to take so much of anyone's time. What do you think is the friendliest city over 400,000 people in Poland? Anyone have any experiences to share? Remember, I am not looking for sex from the girls. Just possibly some casual conversation without any strange, bad attitudes and big egos. Łódź? Wrocław? Poznań? Gdańsk? Szczecin? Not including Warsaw or Krakow. In Czech Republic Ostrava and Brno have a better reputation for friendliness than Prague. I learned this from some of my Czech Students. If anyone is coming to Prague, I would warn you to be aware of the low-level of service and the high-nose in the air, rotten selfish, attitude. I have never seen tourists treated so poorly as I have seen in Prague. Anti-hospitality. Prague People should really be ashamed or their reputation. As long as you focus on the beautiful architecture of Prague and try to avoid the locals you should be Ok. There are actual schools here that specialize in correcting poor behavior for the tourism industry. And sales jobs are open to foreigners here because the locals have such an inferiority problem, that they abuse the customers or can't even pick up the phone to make a sales call. What a joke. If anyone wants an insider's perspective on Prague I can give it to you through private email, no problem. I have lived here for four years and know the city pretty well, operate a small tourism business, and would be happy to give you some tips to make your stay here better if you decide to come. Thank you in advance.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09	Jun 22, 09, 23:35 / #
Women in Krakow are great, nuff said :)

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER	Jun 22, 09, 23:40 / #
johncardwell: And as you said, probably not in Krakow. The attitude sounds all too familiar. I am probably going to stay away for now. Good advice. I really appreciate it. I owe you. i can't believe that you based you actions on whatever the nutheads on some forum told you... but after reading all of that, Krakow's women will be better off without you...

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jun 22, 09, 23:41 / #
johncardwell: If anyone is coming to Prague, I would warn you to be aware of the low-level of service and the high-nose in the air, rotten selfish, attitude. All the people i know that have been there have said the opposite....are you sure its not you thats the problem...???

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Jun 22, 09, 23:43 / #
pgtx: i can't believe that you based you actions on whatever the nutheads on some forum told you... i know its scary isn't it my dear!!!! pgtx: Krakow's women will be better off without you... you think :) To the original OP, haven't you already got enough women in Prague to get around, although i guess you have to pay for 60% of those women as one of the most popular jobs in Prague seems to be prostitution (Although i must add they are not usually czech girls as far as i'm aware)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jun 22, 09, 23:43 / #
pgtx: pgtx are you denying then that krokowianki are stuck up? hehe

sadieannThreads: 4 Posts: 320 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Jun 22, 09, 23:44 / #
wildrover: ....are you sure its not you thats the problem...??? wildrover HMMMM..I wonder.., but John, needs to stay home and re-group.

johncardwellThreads: 3 Posts: 117 Joined: May 3, 09	Jun 23, 09, 00:04 / #
To the original OP, haven't you already got enough women in Prague to get around, although i guess you have to pay for 60% of those women as one of the most popular jobs in Prague seems to be prostitution (Although i must add they are not usually czech girls as far as i'm aware) Tornado2007, The Prague Girls are definitely not for me. If the local guys are unhappy and unsuccessful with them it will probably be worse for me. I try to be humble and know my limitations. I don't like gambling when the odds are against me. And I personally know of many men who have had some really bad experiences with the Prague Girls. Locals and non-locals. So I would not even try. Divorce here is almost 70 percent. And atheism is high. So anything goes. It seems like everyone is in bed with everyone. Cheating is the norm. Not my thing. I think it is gross. In fact Czech Girls in Prague might be the most promiscuous in Europe according to Czech Sociologist Petr Weiss. Good if you are looking for fast sex. But would you want this quality in someone serious? I would not. I hear it is very different outside Prague. Many Czech Men look outside Prague to find someone serious. As far as prostitution goes you are mostly correct from my opinion. There so many working girls here. But the dirty little secret is that most of the girls are Czech. There are some Russian, Ukrainian, African, and Slovakian. But mostly Czech. The Czech People hate to admit it. They usually blame Gypsies and Russians and Ukraine Girls for prostitution. Predictable, yes? I have one student who said over half the girls in his high school class were working as prostitutes. This is why I am so keen to avoid any cities where there is a high ratio of girls that are strange. I have had enough of this in Prague to last me a lifetime.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jun 23, 09, 00:10 / #
pgtx: i'm not denying anything... ;) good. :D

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Jun 23, 09, 12:19 / #
wildrover: Seems to me he has just boosted the tourist industry no end Not to mention school attendance figures. Then again I reckon his student might have been exaggerating "they're all shagging around but not with me because they're all hookers" etc. etc.

johncardwellThreads: 3 Posts: 117 Joined: May 3, 09	Jun 23, 09, 14:03 / #
This increases your chances to bed a hot girl.One of my czech lovers admitted that she has one boyfriend and five lovers at the same time.Even married women have boyfriends and lovers even girl-lovers.Czechs are great there is much tolerance,no ground for macho attitude. You are almost right on Southern. They call it tolerance. I call it fornicating monkees. The Czech Physician Sociologist Petr Weiss writes extensively on this subject. He is a brilliant man. He is a good authority. Interestingly some of the younger generation around 20 years old in Prague is rebelling against this behavior. This behavior belongs mostly to the 25 to 45 year old bracket. And many of the older Czech People really hate it and are embarassed by it. Also remember this is in Prague. Many Czech People outside Prague don't like Prague. That is why I am so concerned about Ladies in Krakow. Because I have had all the bad female behavior in Prague I can stomach. But the beauty of the modern world is that people can migrate to the culture that suits them. Me, Conservative Catholic/Christian, intellectual culture. You, monkee culture. Southern, you can have it all. All this can be yours. Even more so if you move to Prague.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 23, 09, 14:19 / #
Who cares about bedding a hot girl? It's a fleeting moment, one of those transitory experiences. It comes with a lot of strings and baggage, best left alone.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jun 23, 09, 15:10 / #
johncardwell: This behavior belongs mostly to the 25 to 45 year old bracket. Exactly.How do you know that?The young generation gets gradually the feminist principles and westen attitude which is in fact conservatism compared to liberal attitude cultured in CR during communist times. So czech women who were in their youth in the eighties are very sexually liberated,in the '90s also liberated but a bit more materialistic and now the young generation gradually adopts western values and becomes more conservative and extremely materialistic. In my opinion the sexual liberation movement of the '60s really hit CR and was fired as real liberation since sex was one of the few things which remained free during communist regime. Now when the '60s influence has started to faint and media promote western values,the society becomes more conservative. On the other hand russian women in the age of 30-40 are very traditional and conservative compared to younger ones which means that sexual liberation movement did not affect Russia.Since western media has started to play there its role as well,the younger generation,under 25 has also become more conservative and materialistic than the 25-30 yo generation who lived the difficult times of transition and collapse of traditional values. Anyway these are some observations.It is interesting that the czech sociologist agrees with this view regarding czech women.(he should know better).

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,959 Joined: May 17, 07	Jun 23, 09, 18:21 / #
johncardwell: Southern, you can have it all. All this can be yours. Thanks.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: ZIMMY Jun 23, 09, 18:57 / #
johncardwell: The last thing I need at my age is any kind of bad Western Attitude like the girls in the USA big cities give out or the girls in Prague give out. You are not the only one who knows this and is damn tired of it. Western women don't know how to be 'responsible' with all their freedoms. The more freedom women have the more they complain (usually about men). Their 'attitudes' are just plain disgusting. More and more men have given up even trying to meet a 'sensible, nice' woman. They are out there but there are fewer and fewer of them. I've met women who had more than half their bosoms popping out, wearing a ultra short skirt and at the same time complaining that women are only seen as sex objects. That's how stupidly confused the modern woman is. Go to Poland and enjoy your stay there. Be yourself and if some typically self-absorbed female gives you a problem - just ignore her. One thing women can't stand is being ignored.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09	Jun 23, 09, 19:16 / #
this thread is very entertaining. Thanks OP.