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HOW SUCCESSFUL IS TODAY'S DISCO/PUB MATE POOL?



Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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  Jul 12, 09, 13:50 /  #
There was a time when most people found their future mates at school, church, in the neighbourhood or within one's circle of family friends and only rarely matrimonial bureaux. This was the case in the US, Poland and probably other places as well, and to some extent probably still is. But one gets the impression that today discos, pubs, rock concerts, singles bars and the Internet have become major meeting places. Which do you believe produced more happy couples, stable families and kids with a normal childhood?
(Of ciourse, I realise there are those contradictious souls who may claim that a "normal" family is his kids, her kids and our kids or two dads and an adotped orphan!)

ShelleySThreads: 18
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  Jul 12, 09, 14:16 /  #
We find friends in all situations.

What's "normal"?
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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  Jul 12, 09, 14:31 /  #
Most child psychologists agree that a child's balanced development is fostered by a complete rather than a dysfunctional family. Obviously not only complete (both parents and children sharing the same household) but also unafflicted by substance abuse, domestic violence, infidelity, etc.
But you may be right -- perhaps the non-dysfunctional family has become so uncommon these days that it's difficult to call it normal.
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  Jul 12, 09, 15:02 /  #
Polonius3:
Which do you believe produced more happy couples, stable families and kids with a normal childhood?

Well, ofcourse there's always the perfect couples, and social control. (Social control is becoming a bit less of an issue these days though!) I mean, you don't have to be Einstein to figure out that most couples will always try to show outsiders the brightest side of themselves. Most of us just don't like to talk about our issues do we?

So happy? I don't know who's really happy and who isn't. No one is perfect, and I don't think any relationship will ever be perfect. (We all have our ups and downs I think!) It's cool to grow up with people, and it's a good thing for anyone to have stability, a sense of belonging and trust..

So yes, it could be that back in the days, people were a bit happier with their social environment. I think the media does help a lot to screw things up between all kinds of people though! I usually get the impression that working class isn't good enough anymore, and that we're looked down upon by quite a few people. (Houses get more and more expensive, cars need to be big, bigger, biggest! People need to study more and more, and you have to look, act and behave like you're perfect if you believe your television!)

Back in the day, men had more security. You would leave school, get a job, and you would have had a permanent contract within 3 months. (Sometimes even one month!) You were able to buy a house and start a family if you were 23 or something. My generation, needs to work for two years before they get a permanent contract, and in most cases you'll find yourself ditched just before the end of your contract.. (Once again!) So this is what honest work does for you in a lot of cases these days. A lot of social problems are caused by a lack of opportunity, and a lack of security.

Most of you probably don't have a clue of what I'm talking about, but I think some of you might..

Polonius3:
Of ciourse, I realise there are those contradictious souls who may claim that a "normal" family is his kids, her kids and our kids or two dads and an adotped orphan!

I don't think two dads (As you've put it!) should be allowed to adopt an orphan either, (Because I believe a child needs a mother too!) but I would like to add that, his kids, her kids and/or our kids would be a pretty normal situation, and if the parents can provide for their children, then I really don't see why this should be frowned upon?

See, we've got housing problems almost everywhere. So if all the divorced men, and divorced women or even widows out there would want to try being a family again with someone else, then I'd say that's very good news!

Divorced people usually take the appartments which would normally be meant for all the younger singles out there, who need to start with a smaller appartment because they don't have a partner yet! (I mean having two salaries usually enables a couple to aim a little higher when it comes to houses!)

Besides, who am I to tell people they should spend the rest of their lives alone just because their first marriage or relationship didn't work out? Live and let live.

:)

I think arrogance, too much expectations, too much demands, extremely high prices and selfish, egocentric behaviour are wrecking Western European societies in a lot of different ways. I see a lot of people complaining about what they've created themselves, (Usually the older generation, and the establishment!) but I rarely get to meet any people who can actually look in the mirror, or atleast admit they're being a bit greedy at the expense of the community.. (I'm not going to point my finger at anyone in particular, or place the blame on a few individuals, but I would like to add that your own children will have to deal with all this crap sooner or later if nothing will be done about this. (You can blame a large group of younger people for not having much of a purpose, but you should be honest enough to admit that their purpose has been gradually taken away from them.) You can't force this **** down our throats and tell us we're not ''competitive'' enough, or even worse, ''lazy''.

No my friend, I've always worked for my money, (Always worked hard I might add!), and I still don't have a permanent contract. So I ask you, is it our fault that employers want to profit from our efforts and hard work, but want to give us as little as possible in return? I mean, to get somewhere, you'll need atleast a little bit of stability, and not change jobs (And salary!) every couple of months!

Anyway, **** this, I can finally do my study now. I just feel sorry for all these guys and girls who can't..

:)

Yup, rant over!
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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  Jul 12, 09, 16:08 /  #
Thanks for your insightful comments. Isn't at least part of the problem the loss of a sense of community in favour of me, myself and I egoism, cut-throat competition in place of altrusim or even simple communality? In the here and now instant-gratification mentality you do only what serves your own, immediate, selfish interests and do not think of the broader implicaitions or consequences. Cut-throat competiton, inter-generational conflicts (caused by i.a. weird youth subcultures and fashions) and noisy agenda-ised pressure groups of course make for colourful conflicts and that is just what the sensation-mongering media are waiting for.
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  Jul 12, 09, 18:19 /  #
I agree with most of what you've said, except for one thing. Subcultures do not create these problems, in fact, most of these subcultures exist because of these problems in the first place.

Loss of a sense of community? Sure! But do you really want to blame this on the younger generation? We didn't build your community, and unfortunately, we don't have anything to say in your community either. And that's where it all begins with? I mean, with listening to eachother!

I could tell you so much, but to be honest, I've lost my faith in this society a long while ago. As if someone would be genuinely interested in hearing about some working class guy's problems? I did one thing I really hate myself for.. Because I thought no one cared about values, honesty and hard work at some point. The worst thing is, I know she hates me too, for the wrong reasons though.

Bottom line is, I'd be extremely happy with what a lot of people take for granted. I don't even have that. Still, I hear those people complain, I see those people make more rules to make my live even more impossible every day. And what for? Because they need even more, they need a boat, or second house. Or a third car..

Nevermind, I'm probably addressing the wrong people anyway.
szkotja2007Threads: 38
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  Jul 12, 09, 18:42 /  #
Polonius3:
Most child psychologists agree that a child's balanced development is fostered by a complete rather than a dysfunctional family

Half a century ago perhaps.
Polonius3:
perhaps the non-dysfunctional family

Anybody know one ?
Polonius3:
Isn't at least part of the problem the loss of a sense of community in favour of me, myself and I egoism, cut-throat competition in place of altrusim or even simple communality?

If that is what you believe in then that is the world you live in. Others may have a different outlook and may be living in a different world.



In my experience most social commentators are those on the outside of the commnity looking in, therefore the least qualified to comment on a society they are not part of.
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  Jul 12, 09, 20:28 /  #
Polonius3:
singles bars and the Internet have become major meeting places.

I'm not very found of Internet dating. At least at a club, you can meet people in advance, who you'd potentially like to date. You can kind of get a feel of their personality when you chat with them.

My only problem is I ususally want to meet the hottest looking guy in the club, who will probably end up being an idiot in the longrun.

A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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  Jul 13, 09, 06:21 /  #
szkotja2007 - are you saying child psycologists today claim that the dysfucntional family is a preferable environment to raise chuildren in or that the dysfunctional family is so widespread that they are trying to make the best of a bad situation. That is a collosal difference.
One thing that is often forgotten in our commercially pressured, conformist society is the fact that we all have a free will. Just because something IS (fascism in 1930s Europe, 20th-century industrial pollution, 1970s hippie drug rampage, 21st-century terrorism and dysfunctional families) doesn't mean it is inevitable. Remember: only dead fish and sewage go with the flow! Thinking people have got a choice.
szkotja2007Threads: 38
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  Jul 13, 09, 12:18 /  #
Polonius3:
are you saying child psycologists today claim that the dysfucntional family

Honestly, can anyone on the forums say that their family isn't dysfunctional ?

Polonius3:
One thing that is often forgotten in our commercially pressured, conformist society

Thats perception is yours, not mine.

Out of interest Polonius, do you have any children ?
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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  Jul 13, 09, 22:11 /  #
Yes, a son who has studied anthropolgy and knows much more about the ill effects of the down-dumbed, consumerist popculture society than I do.

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