What does it mean to be Polish?

Quoting: Babylon, Post #1

There is no commonly accepted definition of the Poles. According to the preamble of the Constitution of Poland, the Polish Nation consists of all citizens of Poland. However, like in most European countries, many people limit the group to native speakers of the Polish language, people that share certain views or traditions, or people who share a common ethnic background originating from Poland. As to the ethnicity, the name of the nation comes from a western Slavic ethnic group primarily associated with Poland and the Polish language. Poles belong to the Lechitic subgroup of these ethnic people. The Polans of Giecz, Gniezno, and Poznań were one of the most influential tribes of Greater Poland and managed to unite many other West Slavic tribes in the area under the rule of what became the Piast dynasty, thus giving birth to a new state. The Polish name for a Pole is Polak (male) and Polka (female). (WIKIPEDIA

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 22, 06, 17:02 / #
What does it mean to be Polish to You? Polish means belonging or relating to Poland, or to its people, language, or culture. (Collins Dictionary) The Poles (Polish: Polacy) are a western Slavic people inhabiting the country of Poland (in Central Europe) and a number of other states in the world, where they form a significant Polish diaspora. There is no commonly accepted definition of the Poles. According to the preamble of the Constitution of Poland, the Polish Nation consists of all citizens of Poland. However, like in most European countries, many people limit the group to native speakers of the Polish language, people that share certain views or traditions, or people who share a common ethnic background originating from Poland. As to the ethnicity, the name of the nation comes from a western Slavic ethnic group primarily associated with Poland and the Polish language. Poles belong to the Lechitic subgroup of these ethnic people. The Polans of Giecz, Gniezno, and Poznań were one of the most influential tribes of Greater Poland and managed to unite many other West Slavic tribes in the area under the rule of what became the Piast dynasty, thus giving birth to a new state. The Polish name for a Pole is Polak (male) and Polka (female). (WIKIPEDIA) What Conditions have to be fulfilled in order to be able to consider oneself the Pole? It is possible not to speak in Polish and to be the Pole, either not to have Poles' ancestors and still "be a Pole"? what do You think, what conditions have to be fulfilled?

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,272 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Nov 22, 06, 17:14 / #
I just refer to my passport.

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 22, 06, 17:18 / #
1 You have to got Polish Passport what about Peoples who dont have it but still want to be Poles?

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 22, 06, 17:19 / #
Quoting: Babylon, Post #1 There is no commonly accepted definition of the Poles. According to the preamble of the Constitution of Poland, the Polish Nation consists of all citizens of Poland. However, like in most European countries, many people limit the group to native speakers of the Polish language, people that share certain views or traditions, or people who share a common ethnic background originating from Poland. As to the ethnicity, the name of the nation comes from a western Slavic ethnic group primarily associated with Poland and the Polish language. Poles belong to the Lechitic subgroup of these ethnic people. The Polans of Giecz, Gniezno, and Poznań were one of the most influential tribes of Greater Poland and managed to unite many other West Slavic tribes in the area under the rule of what became the Piast dynasty, thus giving birth to a new state. The Polish name for a Pole is Polak (male) and Polka (female). (WIKIPEDIA Excellent info, Thanks, by the way, I consider myself Polish, but American first as this was where I was born. all Grandparents and parents minus 25% if that is all polish. Cities they lived were Nowogrod K Lomza, and Osiek K Oswiecim, and Polanka Wielka, Again near Oswiecim, and last was Kolno. I dont think there are conditions, yes if you live there you are Polish citizen, but like when Poles come to America, they still say I am Polish, even if they came 5 years ago, or 100 years ago. the nationality dont change, only the citizenship. most still Practice their Culture here. oops, the other 25% is the Question in another post about German (possible) heritage but again, I dont know for sure. they lived in poland, all of them. and if they hadnt came here, we would still be there, I would have learned more, and know how to speak it, all grandparents died early on, and I never learned it, the only time my parents talked polish was at christmas, so we didnt hear what we were getting!

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 22, 06, 17:24 / #
By the way babylon, printing that, I am wanting to learn so much, this is like the first post which caught my attention that is really helpful for me to understand more about Poland, its people, where it began, those Questions ran thru my mind, I had a time on the intranet finding the right Words to get to the sites. very informative. Thanks Really alot.

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 23, 06, 10:20 / #
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BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 23, 06, 10:23 / #
Patrycja19 you can get polish passport, and can refer to it like our friend said in this topic

VarsovianThreads: 85 Posts: 531 Joined: Nov 23, 06	Nov 24, 06, 06:18 / #
You have to speak the language and internalise the culture - it's not possible to be truly Polish without being born and brought up there. I know people who were born to Polish parents abroad, speak perfect Polish, declare themselves to be Polish and yet are not due to the way they think and facets of, say, English culture that they have made their own whether by choice or osmosis over a long period of time. My children are neither Polish nor English, but feel at ease operating in both cultures and languages.

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 24, 06, 08:03 / #
Your children are Polish, They don't have to be brought up in PL. The most important is how parents raise their children.

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 24, 06, 11:09 / #
Quoting: Babylon, Post #9 Your children are Polish, They don't have to be brought up in PL. The most important is how parents raise their children. yep. my oldest isnt interested in anything right now, only that her heritage leads to polish, but youngest, wants to learn it, she is the curious child, so, quite possibly if these polish classes are at night (at reasonable hour) I might take her along with me to learn.

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Nov 24, 06, 11:34 / #
In reality.....being Polish ( applies to other nationalites too)...is effectively a state of mind and inheritance........you evolve thoroughly immersed in its culture and life...on the knee of your mother, then friends as you grow up. I honestly don't think anyone else can then FULLY understand or feel as fully part of the whole Polish experience unless you've moved through these areas and experiences. Knowing the language is a start, but how long will it take to be fluent and more importantly, you will always have an accent..........so when you speak , the local, real Polish will treat you slightly differently...even though they may not want to...they will.....fact of life. But and its a big but....if locals feel you are being true and honest, I think they'd make an extra effort to include you and make you feel as "Polish" as you possibly wanted to be....such is Polish culture and hospitality.

dziwna_gruszkaThreads: - Posts: 219 Joined: Sep 21, 06	Nov 24, 06, 13:58 / #
Ur just polish..period..

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Nov 24, 06, 23:53 / #
Good thing she didn't come on the Titanic...

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 25, 06, 00:05 / #
Yeah, we all said that. 1914 , two years after it sank. mine all came early, cept grandma. 1901, 1903, 1907. then 1914. <~close.

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Nov 24, 06, 11:12 / #
Seeing a few more people from that other forum..you know, the crappy one

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 24, 06, 11:15 / #
Quoting: FISZ, Post #11 Seeing a few more people from that other forum..you know, the crappy one Yeah, I emailed Ania, asked her to ask the others. be nice to have more familiar voices on here. the forum was crappy, but, not all the people.

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Nov 24, 06, 11:38 / #
I've had this conversation with my gf in Pl and in her opinion, you aren't polish unless your're from poland. i told her that many people in the US refer to themselves as Irish, polish, italian...whatever even if they're just roots. It started when I told her that my step brother's father is Polish. She said oh he's from PL? I said no, but he's polish. She wanted to know how that can be if he was born in the US. It was hard for her to understand how someone can claim to be Polish when they aren't from poland.

uk_Threads: 9 Posts: 106 Joined: Oct 22, 06	Nov 24, 06, 11:42 / #
polish? you mean shoe polish?

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 24, 06, 11:55 / #
Quoting: FISZ, Post #14 It was hard for her to understand how someone can claim to be Polish when they aren't from poland. she is right to extent, but, mostly I say I am American Polish, our family came early on, but that dont mean we are only American. sometimes people like to shoot people down to much, what is the big deal if someones ancestors, not that far off either came from poland, so they cant share the heritage? Polish is a culture, no matter where you live. Anyone think that people who move to the UK and have children, will they say these children are strickly british? no, because they dont practice what the british do. I think I would be proud to have so many respect their polish heritage rather then question why anyone would say that in the first place.

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 24, 06, 12:06 / #
Quoting: Frank, Post #13 But and its a big but....if locals feel you are being true and honest, I think they'd make an extra effort to include you and make you feel as "Polish" as you possibly wanted to be....such is Polish culture and hospitality. Frank I been doing this all my life. Yes I suppose handed down thru the generations of Polish family members who came strait from poland that this is part of this culture. my Grandmother would feed everyone who stepped foot in her house. They lived like they were still in poland in the area they moved to. only difference was the name of the place. if they could have named the town differently they would have, and there are alot of places in the USA which have polish town names. Polish street names . I just dont know how anyone can deny someone that and not be proud.

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 24, 06, 13:35 / #
read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis In Poland there is "right of blood" So If your grandparents or mama, papa are Polish you are also, as US is not a ethnic state, but "plastic" there is "right of the territory" so if you are born in USA you are American, read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli so native- You are Polish (cuz there is no tribe, ethnic group called Americans), you are also American cuz You were born there, but if your HEIRDOM is Polish, You are Polish (and IF YOOU KNOW THE LANGUAGE and You are interested in Polish Culture, History You are 100%, and you can have "diffrent accent". do You agree?

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 24, 06, 14:03 / #
well If You are not in Poland for good, sometimes you are more Polish theb "real one" Polish raised in Poland

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 24, 06, 23:23 / #
Quoting: Babylon, Post #18 read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis In Poland there is "right of blood" So If your grandparents or mama, papa are Polish you are also, as US is not a ethnic state, but "plastic" there is "right of the territory" so if you are born in USA you are American, read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli, so native- You are Polish (cuz there is no tribe, ethnic group called Americans), you are also American cuz You were born there, but if your HEIRDOM is Polish, You are Polish (and IF YOOU KNOW THE LANGUAGE and You are interested in Polish Culture, History You are 100%, and you can have "diffrent accent". Yes, Thanks one positive leads to two then three Quoting: dziwna_gruszka, Post #19 Ur just polish..period.. Thanks again DG, Means alot Quoting: Babylon, Post #20 well If You are not in Poland for good, sometimes you are more Polish theb "real one" Polish raised in Poland Well, I wish I could say that every part of the culture existed in my home , but unfortunate that no one kept it going. our parents were no so strict, there was no church, even though both had to go to catholic schools, learn Polish as well and every holiday was celebrated with the old customs. MY sister remembers, she was born when they were all alive, I was two when my moms mother died, so I only had a grandma for two years of my life. my Interest grew, my questions grew, so this is where I am at, dont have the older family members to ask, all of emm are gone. Yes, by blood, I am all Polish. by birth, American. Thanks both of you Very Appreciated now I go look at those sites.

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 24, 06, 23:31 / #
BTW MY moms mother (grandma) didnt get naturalized here, she still held her green card, which I have, she came in 1914, but in the early 1940s had to report to immigration when the war had started (all immigrants had to) and I also recieved these papers from them, she had to have two people write who she was, when she came , why she was here etc. so when she died, she was still a citizen of Poland.

californiagirl	Edited by: californiagirl Nov 24, 06, 23:52 / #
for the people who say that you can't be Polish unless you were born in Poland, does that mean that if a woman from India or China or Africa moves to Poland and gives birth there, her child is Polish? Is that what a real Pole is?

californiagirl	Nov 25, 06, 00:06 / #
Are there alot of ancestries in Poland, like in America? Is being Polish related to citizenship like being American is?

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 25, 06, 02:26 / #
Quoting: californiagirl, Post #26 Is being Polish related to citizenship like being American is? No, You can be Polish if you are not a citizen of Poland

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Nov 25, 06, 02:31 / #
read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Americans Kazimierz Pułaski was 100 % Pole but he is American (cuz of citizenship), so You understand that being a citizen of USA and being a citizen of Poland and being Pole is not the same, You can be Pole without citizenship

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Nov 25, 06, 20:17 / #
Quoting: Babylon, Post #28 Kazimierz Pułaski was 100 % Pole but he is American (cuz of citizenship), so You understand that being a citizen of USA and being a citizen of Poland and being Pole is not the same, You can be Pole without citizenship Amen!

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,103 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Nov 26, 06, 06:46 / #
Quoting: Babylon, Post #20 well If You are not in Poland for good, sometimes you are more Polish theb "real one" Polish raised in Poland Sure... The real Poland is now in Chicago ?