Racist violence in Poland

Puzzler wrote:

-On the contrary, I am in close touch with the subject in queston and I know what many Poles - the majority, not brainwashed by Mr Mchnik and his lot - think about 'Polish- Ukrainian relations.' I actually live in Poland a large chunk of the year. Do you suggest that if somebody doesn't live in Poland he isn't qualified to speak on Polish topics? If so, you're such a person - you live in Canada.

Puzzler wrote:

- Another one who prefers not to acknowledge history in the false hope all the problems will just go away of their own accord?

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Jan 19, 08, 14:04 / #
jones101 wrote: Anyone that says something he disagrees with or is critical of his homeland is a polonophobe - Sure that when a type like yourself spreads hateful lies about my nation I disagree with it and call you a Polonophobe. Got it, racist Polonophobe? So what's your country and nationality? Afraid to divulge your sweet secret? :)

jones101Threads: 1 Posts: 554 Joined: Jan 14, 08	Edited by: jones101 Jan 19, 08, 14:04 / #
He doesnt even live here?!?! Ahahaha...oh boy. There is more evidence to my theory that the mouthiest uber nationalists are usually expats not even experiencing daily life here. I can call someone an elephant but it doesn't mean they are....so your labels are just that....YOUR labels. Do you REALLY think you can bait me into giving you the answers you want with 3rd grade tactics like that? Hehe...barrel o'laughs I tell ya!

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Edited by: Puzzler Jan 19, 08, 14:15 / #
miranda wrote: Puzzler, you are not even living in Poland, so your experiance about Polish-Ukrainin relationship at present is, I would say very limited and your negative attitude is not adding anything constructive. Besides, with such views as yours, nobody takes you seriously. Just so you know:) -On the contrary, I am in close touch with the subject in queston and I know what many Poles - the majority, not brainwashed by Mr Mchnik and his lot - think about 'Polish- Ukrainian relations.' I actually live in Poland a large chunk of the year. Do you suggest that if somebody doesn't live in Poland he isn't qualified to speak on Polish topics? If so, you're such a person - you live in Canada. :) Lukasz wrote: Puzzer I know Ukrainias. There is a lot of them on our Univerisites ... I don't care about old pr!cks ;) - Another one who prefers not to acknowledge history in the false hope all the problems will just go away of their own accord? If you don't acknowledge, if you ignore and falsify your own history, you invite the worst calamities to befall you. It's better to die than live in such an idiotic state of mind, being kicked around by those who never forget their own history and take advantage of those who do. Got it, silly boy?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Jan 19, 08, 14:20 / #
Puzzler wrote: -On the contrary, I am in close touch with the subject in queston and I know what many Poles - the majority, not brainwashed by Mr Mchnik and his lot - think about 'Polish- Ukrainian relations.' I actually live in Poland a large chunk of the year. Do you suggest that if somebody doesn't live in Poland he isn't qualified to speak on Polish topics? If so, you're such a person - you live in Canada. you are not ... read Polish forums related to articles about Ukraine and work for them ... speak to Poles and ask what kind of imigrants they prefere. Puzzler wrote: - Another one who prefers not to acknowledge history in the false hope all the problems will just go away of their own accord? I know that some people would like to see Poland as alone "super power" fighting against all hostile neighbours ... It is better to argue when it is needed and do business when it is possible.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Jan 19, 08, 14:20 / #
jones101 wrote: Do you REALLY think you can bait me into giving you the answers you want - Why are you so afraid to say what country you are from and what your nationality is? What a coward you are. A racist and coward; these two are often closely linked. Hehe, I think you are afraid to give the name of your country because there's lots of racism going on there, also against Poles. :))

jones101Threads: 1 Posts: 554 Joined: Jan 14, 08	Jan 19, 08, 14:25 / #
Yeah and you think a lot of other dumb stuff too....so I don't really give it any value. I am not going to say because you want to know so bad :)))) Plus if you were half as bright as you think you are you wouldn't need to ask. And lastly...what if there IS racism in my country....I do not support it, actively fight against it and do not deny it when others bring it up...something you are not capable of doing as it admits to a fallibility in your native land. Your theories are cute though...keep trying :)

miranda	Edited by: miranda Jan 19, 08, 14:25 / #
Puzzler wrote: I am in close touch with the subject in queston and I know what many Poles OK - so what do they think? Be specific.

jones101Threads: 1 Posts: 554 Joined: Jan 14, 08	Jan 19, 08, 14:26 / #
They think that they wish Puzzler would stop speaking for them as it is embarrassing and makes them look like dolts.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Edited by: Puzzler Jan 19, 08, 14:30 / #
Lukasz wrote: you are not ... read Polish forums related to articles about Ukraine and work for them ... speak to Poles and ask what kind of imigrants they prefere. - Why am I not? What untrue stuff have I said? The fact that some Poles prefer Ukranians to other immigrants doesn't mean scores of Poles have forgotten the Wolyn massacres and do not care about the crazy things going on in Ukraine, such as the UPA cult. It's you, pal, who are ignorant about these things. Lukasz wrote: I know that some people would like to see Poland as alone fighting with all hostile neighbours - They don't have to desire it were so; it's a fact we are surrounded by unfriendly countries and no hiding-head-in-sand tactics will change it. The shocking evidence of it will come up soon, when the Germans will start claiming back our Recovered Territories and the Ukrainians and others will back them up, and present their own blown-up claims. You're a Gazeta Wyborcza fan, aren't you, naive baby-Lukaszku? :) miranda wrote: OK - so what do they think? Be specific - They are against it. Come on, we can talk about it in a separate thread. :) jones101 wrote: They think that they wish Puzzler would stop speaking for them as it is embarrassing and makes them look like dolts. - Who thinks so? So Puzzler speaks for somebody? Who? Why is it embarassing and makes them look like dolts? And another question: Why are you such a crazy Polonophobe? Is it genetic? I mean have your mother and father passed this vicious stuff on you? Who are they? Nazis? Why are you so afraid to mention your native country and your nationality? What is so shameful about them? :)

miranda	Jan 19, 08, 14:40 / #
Puzzler wrote: Come on, we can talk about it in a separate thread.:) not today, I have some work to do, but looking forward in the future.

clickyclockThreads: 1 Posts: 4 Joined: Jan 6, 08	Jan 19, 08, 14:56 / #
sigh.... why can't we just all get along... (as the yankies say..)... Most people including myself hate to be criticized and to have my weaknesses and faults pointed out. But I must admit, it take a great personality to admit their weakness and try to improve. Indeed there is not country in the world where you do not find racists, ethnicists or whatever... The only thing is that in Poland as soon as you leave the big cities (and even in the big cities), as a non-white person you need to always watch your back. Not just Poland, also all the former Eastern block countries including Russia. Seems something about being under the Soviets. I suppose they produced societies struggling to adjust to capitalism and as a result loads of maladjusted youth who see no hope in life and feel very frustrated and humiliated. They sorts lash out at foreigners.. They live in wretched neighbourhoods, in wretched accomodation with wretched jobs so all they have to hang on their chest with pride is that they are white and therefore superior and justified in attacking non-whites. I suppose it was the same general mood in prewar Germany that lead to lots of unemployed Germans with similar wretched circumstances (after WWI) to create the Uber Alles fantasy...

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Jan 20, 08, 11:50 / #
I think you are 100% right, Clickyclock. clickyclock wrote: They live in wretched neighbourhoods, in wretched accomodation with wretched jobs so all they have to hang on their chest with pride is that they are white and therefore superior and justified in attacking non-whites. Add to that sometimes educated and intelligent people are being forced by the economic realities to do often demeaning and underpaid jobs abroad striping them from personal pride that comes with individual achievements in life. My hope is one day when the standard of living and the economy get better, maybe then things shall change? clickyclock wrote: Seems something about being under the Soviets. Yeah I noticed the level of nationalism is similar to the one in former Yugoslavia after the fall of communism. Thank God Poland is a country without national or religious minorities. Who knows what would have happened then.

SadekThreads: 7 Posts: 231 Joined: Jan 11, 08	Edited by: Sadek Jan 20, 08, 11:54 / #
Dice wrote: Thank God Poland is a country without national or religious minorities. Who knows what would have happened then. false there are miniorities ... Orthodox Muslim Protestant Germans (they have one representative in parlament) Russians, Ukrianians Lithueanians, Tatars what is more they can use their language in offices in places where they are majority Dice next person who don't live in Poland

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Jan 20, 08, 13:45 / #
Sadek wrote: false there are miniorities ... Read this Sadek (Wikipedia): Ethnicity and religion In terms of ethnicity, Poland has been a homogeneous state since the end of World War II. (...) About 97% of the population belongs to the Roman Catholic Church, with 58% as practising Catholics URL

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Jan 19, 08, 14:42 / #
miranda wrote: not today, I have some work to do, but looking forward in the future. - Me too. Yeah, let's talk about it later - contrary to what you say, good things can come out of talking.

miranda	Jan 19, 08, 14:45 / #
Puzzler wrote: Me too. Yeah, let's talk about it late fine.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Jan 19, 08, 14:46 / #
Puzzler wrote: Puzzler all I think is that young Poles are deal oriented society ... Puzzler wrote: . You're a Gazeta Wyborcza fan, aren't you, naive baby-Lukaszku? Puzzler wrote: . You're a Gazeta Wyborcza fan, aren't you, naive baby-Lukaszku? no I am not I read Dziennik and Rzeczpospolita newspaper. Some times I read articles form Gazeta Wyborcza. I am not baby

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Jan 19, 08, 14:51 / #
Lukasz wrote: Dziennik - A German rag. :)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Jan 19, 08, 14:54 / #
Puzzler wrote: - A German rag. :) I don't know if it is German rag. Because thieir articles are hmmmm have you seen this paper ? Gazeta wyborcza is ok as well ...

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Jan 20, 08, 11:55 / #
stereotype

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jan 20, 08, 13:48 / #
Sadek wrote: Orthodox Muslim Protestant crumbs,thats one confused fella.....as salaam oy vay my son.

off	Jan 20, 08, 19:54 / #
Don't do it to your kids.I'm black and my hubby's polish...7yrs.later and two kids living in Warsaw .Nice for vacation ,not for living.The stress will destroy your marriage,make kids confused.

twentyroyalsThreads: - Posts: 6 Joined: Jan 9, 08	Feb 9, 08, 20:25 / #
i have heard alot of people discussing racism in poland and should i live there with my husband or wife,what is it like to visit,how are the people,how do they treat you etc etc etc........... i have a white polish girfriend and i am brown ( person of colour ) .... if you want to split hairs, from my skin colour i am indian or paki or a terrorist it depends how you feel at the time... i have come to a conclusion ..... **** what people say to you. if they want to kick your head in ...just walk away... if they persist... pick up the nearest thing you can find and use it.......what im trying to say is i dont care what people think i am .. i know what i am and that i want to visit poland ... i have met a lot of polish people in a short time . 3 years ago i never met any. . now that i have met some polish people i conclude a majority of them are decent and hard working and yes some may even be racist ( not met any yet). the first time i met a polish person it did not make me want to kick him in or call him names but it made me want to help him and make him feel comfortable in our country, so if i feel like this from a person who i have never met ever it makes me realise that there is many other people like me out there . . . . and i know there are some in poland . . . . . so as we say in my laungauage . . . . . . . laters people send me a message if you want . . .

newhere2Threads: - Posts: 10 Joined: Feb 10, 08	Feb 10, 08, 02:04 / #
I am black married to a Polish national. I have been there 3 times now for a total of a little under 3 months, i'm going back in May. I have never experienced any violence in Poland. I usually stay near Poznan and I frequently travel to Bydgoszcz. I do get a ton of stares and an occational person calling me Tupac :)....everyone stares though. I still like it there.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Feb 10, 08, 02:07 / #
newhere2 wrote: everyone stares though There must be plenty of people who only ever see a black man with his voice being spoken over by a lektor. Oh! Or people like Tupac (not that he visited Poland very often).

newhere2Threads: - Posts: 10 Joined: Feb 10, 08	Edited by: newhere2 Feb 10, 08, 02:36 / #
I live in the Melting Pot of the world. So it is so weird for me to see people stare this way. I even had an 11 month old baby eyes locked on me with an astonished look.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Feb 10, 08, 08:17 / #
clickyclock wrote: The only thing is that in Poland as soon as you leave the big cities (and even in the big cities), as a non-white person you need to always watch your back. And how do you know that ? 2 weeks before you hadn't had any clue. Dice wrote: Thank God Poland is a country without national or religious minorities. Who knows what would have happened then. We would be making sausage out of the. What else ?

A Lurker	Feb 10, 08, 15:47 / #
Grzegorz_ wrote: We would be making sausage out of the. What else ? With a pinch of salt ?

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Feb 10, 08, 16:16 / #
Maybe...

I like G :)	Feb 14, 08, 15:51 / #
Grzegorz_ wrote: Maybe... :)