Taras Bulba - the movie

ConstantineK:

It was a strange mix of fugitive peasants of various nationalities, but in first turn they were russians, nevertheless. Fugitive peasants and robbers, they were a real problem not only for Poles and Turks, but for Russians as well.

...Cossacks are a group of several peoples living in the southern steppe regions of Eastern Europe and Asiatic Russia, famous for their self-reliance and military skill, particularly horsemanship. Cossack may also refer to a member of a Cossack military unit. They are a non-exclusive ethnic group...

...Following the defeat of the White Army, a policy of Decossackization (Raskazachivaniye) took place on the surviving Cossacks and their homelands since they were viewed as potential threat to the new regime. This mostly involved dividing their territory amongst other divisions and giving it to new autonomous republics of minorities, and then actively encouraging settlement of these territories with those peoples. This was especially true for the Terek Cossacks land.
The Cossack homelands were often very fertile, and during the collectivization campaign many Cossacks shared the fate of kulaks. The famine of 1933 hit the Don and Kuban territory the hardest. According to Michael Kort, "During 1919 and 1920, out of a population of approximately 3 million, the Bolshevik regime killed or deported an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 Cossacks" [2]....

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Edited by: ConstantineK Mar 11, 09, 20:58 / #
The release of new historical drama movie "Taras Bulba" in this April is appointed in Russia to celebrate Gogol's 200 anniversary. Welcome to movie theaters.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Mar 11, 09, 21:08 / #
ConstantineK: The release of new historical drama movie "Taras Bulba" With some good Polish actors.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Mar 11, 09, 21:24 / #
Certainly. Taras Bulba without polish actors is like a coffe without coffein.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Mar 11, 09, 22:31 / #
To be honest, I know the guy`s name but now I can`t associate him with anything without googling. So, what did he do?

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Mar 11, 09, 22:37 / #
He is a character in one of Gogol's stories. He has two sons. They were Cossacks who went to fight Polish noblemen. One of the sons is in love with a Polish girl. I can't remember the whole story. You might be better Googling it pawian. ;)

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Mar 11, 09, 22:42 / #
PolskaDoll: He is a character in one of Gogol's stories. He has two sons. They were Cossacks who went to fight Polish noblemen. One of the sons is in love with a Polish girl. I can't remember the whole story. You might be better Googling it pawian. ;) Oh, I see! A Russian author wrote a book/story/play about an Ukrainian hero who fights against Poles. :):):):):):):):):) Did Gogol imitate Sienkiewicz or it was the other way round? :):):)

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Mar 11, 09, 22:52 / #
pawian: Oh, I see! A Russian author wrote a book/story/play about an Ukrainian hero who fights against Poles. That's the one! ;) pawian: Did Gogol imitate Sienkiewicz or it was the other way round? :):):) Brak komentarza (which probably doesn't mean "no comment". ;)

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Mar 11, 09, 23:42 / #
Cool I want to see this movie, I saw the trailer to it looked like cool battle scene!

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Mar 14, 09, 00:03 / #
Let's hope it's a good movie and not like the one staring Tony Kurtis and Yul Brynner. I cringed a bit back in the 60's when I saw it.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Mar 14, 09, 00:07 / #
pawian: A Russian author Gogol was Ukrainian and he wrote a national epic, as it was the style at that time. Gogol, just like Sienkiewicz didn't stick to historical facts;)

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,783 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Mar 14, 09, 13:28 / #
Gogol was ukrainian now thats interesting Im sure he wasnt As for historical facts - there nothing historical about Gogols story on the other hand Sienkiewicz in general knows about history. You cannot compare them they;re world apart.

miranda	Mar 14, 09, 13:44 / #
Ironside: Gogol was ukrainian now thats interesting Im sure he wasnt yes, he was to my knowledge but I will ask my Ukrainian literature prof at uni to confirm that, if you are interested to find out for sure:)

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Mar 14, 09, 17:52 / #
pawian: A Russian author wrote a book/story/play about an Ukrainian hero who fights against Poles. He was probably Russian only by selfidentification... as for his genetic nationality... I don't know. Some consider him even Polish. The last name sounds Ukranian for me and I think he's of Ukranian origins. Pawy I promise that it won't be waste of time, if you read some of his stories. The way he writes seemed at first a bit plain (you won't notice it though, unless you read in the original - in Russian), but he's a genious. His position of one of the best prosaist in Russia is well-earned.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Mar 14, 09, 22:50 / #
Sasha: Pawy I promise that it won't be waste of time, if you read some of his stories. The way he writes seemed at first a bit plain (you won't notice it though, unless you read in the original - in Russian), but he's a genious. His position of one of the best prosaist in Russia is well-earned. I read Rewizor - Inspector General. Funny play. But also a sad satire on Russian power system. As for Gogol`s national idetification, I think calling him a Ukrainian author would be the same as calling Mickiewicz Belarussian - that is, nonsense. Gogol belongs to Russian literature. But we can say he was of Ukrainian origin not to hurt our Ukrainian friends. :):):)

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Mar 14, 09, 00:20 / #
ZIMMY: Let's hope it's a good movie and not like the one staring Tony Kurtis and Yul Brynner. That's what I was thinking too...seems like they tried to make it too "hollywood" then. We'll see what this version brings...

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,783 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Mar 14, 09, 17:30 / #
please do

miranda	Mar 14, 09, 23:44 / #
pawian: But we can say he was of Ukrainian origin not to hurt our Ukrainian friends. :):):) he was and you not hurting anybody:))))))))0 Besides, Bulba is about Kossacks, so I am not even sure why anybody would question his roots.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Mar 15, 09, 00:09 / #
Actually, Cossaks were neither Russian nor Ukrainians purely. It was a strange mix of fugitive peasants of various nationalities, but in first turn they were russians, nevertheless. Fugitive peasants and robbers, they were a real problem not only for Poles and Turks, but for Russians as well.

miranda	Mar 15, 09, 01:50 / #
[quote=ConstantineK] Actually, Cossaks were neither Russian nor Ukrainians purely. It was a strange mix of fugitive peasants of various nationalities, but in first turn they were russians, nevertheless. Fugitive peasants and robbers, they were a real problem not only for Poles and Turks, but for Russians as well. well, he was Ukrainian, Ukrainian Cossaks - how is that sound?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 15, 09, 02:12 / #
ConstantineK: It was a strange mix of fugitive peasants of various nationalities, but in first turn they were russians, nevertheless. Fugitive peasants and robbers, they were a real problem not only for Poles and Turks, but for Russians as well. Is that true? There seems to be different versions... ...Cossacks are a group of several peoples living in the southern steppe regions of Eastern Europe and Asiatic Russia, famous for their self-reliance and military skill, particularly horsemanship. Cossack may also refer to a member of a Cossack military unit. They are a non-exclusive ethnic group... Could it be that because they weren't so taken with the upcoming Stalinism/Bolshevism that they got a bad name by the new rulers? ...Following the defeat of the White Army, a policy of Decossackization (Raskazachivaniye) took place on the surviving Cossacks and their homelands since they were viewed as potential threat to the new regime. This mostly involved dividing their territory amongst other divisions and giving it to new autonomous republics of minorities, and then actively encouraging settlement of these territories with those peoples. This was especially true for the Terek Cossacks land. The Cossack homelands were often very fertile, and during the collectivization campaign many Cossacks shared the fate of kulaks. The famine of 1933 hit the Don and Kuban territory the hardest. According to Michael Kort, "During 1919 and 1920, out of a population of approximately 3 million, the Bolshevik regime killed or deported an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 Cossacks" [2]....

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Edited by: Sasha Mar 15, 09, 06:39 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Is that true? What exactly? Well...wait I think I could 100% share none of what was quoted. :) ConstantineK: but for Russians as well. To put it more clear they were sometimes a problem for Russian government as they didn't want bolsheviks to come to power. BB, if you want to know more about who cossacks were, I suggest you reading Der stille Don. It has four volumes but it's undoubtedly worth reading. The story is about hard times cossacks had under the "red infection"... and it on the whole rather blackens bolshevism in Russia so that I have no idea on how it went thorugh censorship at that times. Bratwurst Boy: Could it be that because they weren't so taken with the upcoming Stalinism/Bolshevism that they got a bad name by the new rulers? I suspect bad name was given by Konst's mind. They don't really have bad name in Russia. They're much more respected than bolsheviks. I'm telling you that not as a descendant of Don cossack...

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Mar 15, 09, 09:16 / #
You didn't understand my statements. I didn't mean the turmoils of Russian civil war in 20 century. I want to repeat that Cossaks were most rebellious and troublesome pseudo-nation. It had nothing in common either with Russians or Ukrainians, except religion may be. They were a artificial mixture of fugitives, that is why all Cossaks territories laid in most distant and inaccessible parts (Dnepr, Don, Yaik or Ural). They had caused many problems and disturbances to Russian goverment in those times. Just remember Razin's and Pugachev's uprisings! Who they were? Certainly they were Cossaks! But unlike Poles, Russian goverment eventually found the way to apply Cossak's desire to fight. I can't say that Russian gov was genius, just it had vast unexplored territories. In this connection you should recollect Yermak Timofeevich and Semen Dezhnev, certainly they were Cossaks too. Eventually Russian gov managed to calm down the Cossak's spirit directing it against Turkish possessions in Caucasia.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Mar 15, 09, 17:07 / #
I hope this will not be another piece of propaganda, like the Russian production, 1612, was. How many of you are planning to see it in theatres?

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Mar 15, 09, 18:26 / #
Filios1: I hope this will not be another piece of propaganda, like the Russian production, 1612, was. How many of you are planning to see it in theatres? You hope in vain, I am afraid. I don`t think Russians are so unwise as to invest millions into a major film production and not make it a piece of propaganda. If Hollywood does it continually, why Russians shouldn`t ....? :):):):)

miranda	Mar 15, 09, 18:35 / #
Filios1: How many of you are planning to see it in theatres? I have read the book, so I will not want to see it. I would just not be that interested;)

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Edited by: Nathan Mar 15, 09, 18:57 / #
ConstantineK: Cossaks were most rebellious and troublesome pseudo-nation. ConstantineK: It was a strange mix of fugitive peasants of various nationalities, but in first turn they were russians, nevertheless. ConstantineK: Fugitive peasants and robbers Not bad. I would just add "great ass-kickers" pawian: But we can say he was of Ukrainian origin not to hurt our Ukrainian friends. :):):) Who cares?! All of us came from Mars anyway.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Mar 15, 09, 19:48 / #
Filios1: I hope this will not be another piece of propaganda, like the Russian production, 1612, was. How many of you are planning to see it in theatres? I would only love to see it with no money spent. In other words I'll either download it or wait for it showing on TV as I did in case of 1612 (which I found just a very silly film). I think all historical films that have been recently produced more or less propagandistic. Countries mostly produce them for internal use. :))

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Mar 15, 09, 20:04 / #
Alexander, you don't believe that we defeated Poles in 1612 by means of magic, is it possible?

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Edited by: Nathan Mar 15, 09, 21:05 / #
ConstantineK: ConstantineK Today, 19:46#29 Nope, I am from Neptune. Futurama forever! I wish you stayed there. ConstantineK: Alexander, you don't believe that we defeated Poles in 1612 by means of magic, is it possible? I am waiting for Konotop battle movie, it will be called "1657". I'll go.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Mar 15, 09, 21:12 / #
The teaser It resembles the 1612 film. But there are more " moments." :):):) Bogdan Stupka plays Taras Bulba. (he played Bogdan Chmielnicki in Polish production With Fire and Sword). Polish actress Magdalena Mielcarz has a major part too. Interesting thing: Taras Bulba first appeared on the screen in 1962 by Hollywood with Yul Brynner: Polish soldiers wear funny helmets, like firefighters or gladiators. :):):):) Cheap propaganda. :):):):):)