800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly

GoDfaTheR420:

All this shows is that 800 thousand women deserved a good beating!!...

MrBubbles:

the factor that sets Poland apart from many other countries is the official attitude toward it.

MrBubbles:

it's entirely possible for a relationship to include chronic and persistent 'low level' battery and still be legal in the eyes of the state,

MrBubbles:

The feeling of failure would be crushing considering the emphasis placed in the sanctity of "The Family" as a cornerstone of Polish society.

MrBubbles:

I don't want to go too far off topic here but it's funny how all the concerned people who flock to the Jordanian-bashing thread on the basis of a murder are also disputing the facts about the institutionally-accepted violence going on on their own doorstep.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Mar 25, 09, 12:28 / #
this is an article in Polish language stating that around 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse. www.dziennik.pl/wydarzenia/spoleczenstwo/article346623/800_tys_Polek_o fiarami_domowych_katow.html and another one: www.dziennik.pl/wydarzenia/spoleczenstwo/article346633/Kopal_mnie_gdy_ bylam_w_ciazy.html polish text: Każego roku 800 tysięcy Polek pada ofiarami przemocy we własnej rodzinie. Co najmniej 150 kobiet zginęło w 2008 roku z rąk domowego tyrana. Co trzecia Polka doświadczyła bicia, popychania, gróźb, a nawet gwałtu ze strony partnera - wynika z danych organizacji kobiecej Feminoteka. translation: Every year 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse in their families. At least 150 women dies in 2008 from the hands of the domestic tyran. Ever third Polish woman experienced beating, pushing, threats, and even rape form their partners - according to data collected by women's organization Feminoteka.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Mar 25, 09, 12:41 / #
miranda: Every year 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse in their families.....according to data collected by women's organization Feminoteka. Is this the amount reported to the police? or how do they come up with this figure?. What is this figure like compared to other countries?.

miranda	Mar 25, 09, 12:50 / #
SeanBM: Is this the amount reported to the police I doubt it, since it is common that those crimes are underreported worldwide. SeanBM: or how do they come up with this figure?. I don't know. I was quoting an article from Dziennik and Feminoteka was the main source of data quoted in that article. I will have to find out. SeanBM: What is this figure like compared to other countries?. I don't have that information right now.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Mar 25, 09, 13:03 / #
I am just curious, it is an awful lot. I know it was an article but I thought it should have context. I don't know what goes on anywhere behind closed doors.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Mar 25, 09, 13:10 / #
SeanBM: I am just curious, it is an awful lot. So am I. I have contacted Feminoteka and I will keep you posted. The article did not use the comparison to other countries.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 25, 09, 13:11 / #
It's hard for me to imagine the figure being that high. I surmise that a large part of that figure is verbal abuse after drinking. There is a fair element of frustration and unrest and it could manifest itself that way. It needn't be solely physical abuse.

miranda	Mar 25, 09, 13:17 / #
with the population of 38 million, half of them being women - that works to about 4,2 % or less.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Mar 25, 09, 13:26 / #
It never ceases to amaze me how exaggerated these sorts of figures are. In the U.S. and in England women's groups would have you believe that every man is an abuser. Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence. Perhaps this article helps put things in proper perspective. http://www.safe4all.org/resources/

miranda	Mar 25, 09, 13:37 / #
ZIMMY: It never ceases to amaze me how exaggerated these sorts of figures are. In the U.S. and in England women's groups would have you believe that every man is an abuser. Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence. I was addressing Polish women's problem, not the worldwide problem. ZIMMY: Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence. there is nothing in this thread that states that. Perhaps you should open a new thread.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 25, 09, 13:44 / #
Female domestic violence is a social reality in Scotland. I imagine that it happens in Poland but to a far lesser extent. You know, the disgruntled old hag beating on her mousy little husband. Still, this is an unfortunate state of affairs!

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Edited by: szkotja2007 Mar 25, 09, 13:48 / #
Here is a Scottish website for those that look for advice and information Domestic Abuse Look what the webpage comes up as in your search bar ! There is also a confidential helpline. Shame of Scotland - following football matches between two Glasgow teams domestic abuse goes up by 88%.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Mar 25, 09, 13:54 / #
Staggering numbers! But.. the spread of violence type is pretty wide too - from verbal abuse to murder. Not that verbal abuse is OK but I am verbally abused by my two cats on a daily basis. And that Feminoteka, as a side note, I never heard about them so I checked. Pretty radical group at times. They also seemed to support Oriana Fallaci with her criticism of multicultural Europe and pretty strong criticism of Islam.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Mar 25, 09, 13:56 / #
miranda: I was addressing Polish women's problem, not the worldwide problem. I doubt if there is much of a difference. miranda: there is nothing in this thread that states that. Perhaps you should open a new thread. That thread notes that female domestic violence exists in large numbers, in fact equal to men's domestic violence. "DV" is big business here in the U.S.A. It is driven by feminists with an anti-male agenda. More and more people are getting sick-and-tired of their one-sided presentations. Here is the answer to your inquiry. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197550,00.html "Politically correct feminists maintain that women as a class are politically oppressed by men as a class, which means that every woman is oppressed by every man. Class oppression is the ideological lens through which PC feminism views all issues." And how about this? " 1971, Pizzey opened the first battered wives shelter in England, which she ran until 1982. Arguably, the Chiswick Family Rescue was the second domestic violence shelter in the world. Pizzey's book "Scream Quietly or the Neighbours Will Hear" (1974, out of print) was one of the first to explore and expose wife battering. Today, the shelter Pizzey founded denies her entry; her name does not appear in its official history. Pizzey's 'mistake' was to diverge from the theory of domestic violence that feminists at the time insisted dominate all discussion. She believed that men could also be the victims of domestic violence, and that women could be as violent toward their partners as men." So what's wrong with presenting the full facts?

miranda	Edited by: miranda Mar 25, 09, 14:06 / #
z_darius: And that Feminoteka, as a side note, I never heard about them so I checked. Pretty radical group at times. pretty educated, well informed and intelligent group as well. Anything to do with feminism in Poland is seen as pretty radical I think, which doesn't lessen their contribution to bringing to light and making the public aware of important issues in Polish society. Regardless, their page has a lot of interesting information. z_darius: They also seemed to support Oriana Fallaci with her criticism of multicultural Europe and pretty strong criticism of Islam. in what sense and what aspect of her criticism do they agree with? I am not the biggest fan of Oriana since I believe that her illness effected her judgement and her journalistic objectivity gave a way to personal opinions.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Mar 25, 09, 14:10 / #
szkotja2007: Here is a Scottish website for those that look for advice and information Domestic Abuse It is noticeable that only pictures of women (and children) are shown. That's typical and proves the point how one-dimentional the "DV" industry is.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Mar 25, 09, 14:19 / #
Figures put male domestic abuse in Scotland at around 12%Figures and you are right - they are under represented.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Mar 25, 09, 14:19 / #
miranda: in what sense and what aspect of her criticism do they agree with? too early for me to discuss that. s I wrote, I never heard about the group until this morning. miranda: I am not the biggest fan of Oriana since I believe that her illness effected her judgement Sometimes illness brings out the best and the most honest out of people. I tend to agree with her on some of the multicultural points. ZIMMY: It is noticeable that only pictures of women (and children) are shown. Yup, men get beat in Poland too. One big war going on there :) http://reklamaspoleczna.blox.pl/html

miranda	Edited by: miranda Mar 25, 09, 14:20 / #
ZIMMY: In the U.S. and in England women's groups would have you believe that every man is an abuser. Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence. they do? can you prove it Zimmy? I personally doubt it for many reasons. First, their hands are full with domestic abuse against women, which has nothing with denial really. ZIMMY: That's typical and proves the point how one-dimentional the "DV" industry is. there is no industry. Those are real issues. In my personal life I have witnessed: one friend coming with a black eye to the gym, family member being abused by her husband for years, drove a women form my dormitory to the hospital after being raped during the party, mother of my friend who stayed with my parents after her husband chased her down the street at night and she ended up a number times with a broken nose and bones, a woman I was sharing teh apartment with years ago whose husband raped her, so she found an abusive boyfriend, who I had to chase away. I really don't go out of my way to find those women. They are my friends, family members and people I have met. So far it has been to close to home.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Edited by: szkotja2007 Mar 25, 09, 14:22 / #
miranda: In my personal life To add balance: you must have witnessed female to male abuse ?

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Mar 25, 09, 14:28 / #
szkotja2007: you are right - they are under represented. Check this out. Just read the last sentences of these numerous studies. http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm So the question is; why is domestic violence against women always the issue? Here's your answer from my previous link. A couragious woman named Erin Prizzey wrote a book about it; "When viewed through the PC lens of class oppression, domestic violence is not an act of violence committed by one individual against another. It is an act committed by men that must be correctly understood within the larger context of women's class oppression. "[i]Prone to Violence" spelled out some of Pizzey's disagreements with that view. Disagreement #1: Of the first 100 women who entered Chiswick, Pizzey found that over 60 percent were as violent or more violent than the men they were fleeing. In short, a significant percentage of the women were also batterers or otherwise active participants in the violence. Disagreement #2: Pizzey developed the theory that many battered women were psychologically drawn to abusive relationships and they sought them out. To PC feminists, such analysis was tantamount to 'blaming the victim.' Disagreement #3: She explained why the existing model of domestic violence shelters was ineffective. PC feminists were attempting then (and now) to secure ever greater financing for these operations. Sandra Horley, director of Chiswick in 1992, reportedly complained, "if we put across this idea that the abuse of men is as great as the abuse of women, then it could seriously affect our funding."[/i]

miranda	Mar 25, 09, 14:29 / #
szkotja2007: you must have witnessed female to male abuse ? yes, but not as violent as the ones done to women. Women are verbally abusive, or use manipulation rather than violence, or just ignore their partners. I have never heard, nor witnessed physical abuse towards males yet. It doesn't mean it is not happening.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Mar 25, 09, 14:37 / #
miranda: there is no industry. http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/other/8_Aug/domviin.htm Excerpts: "Mapping the full extent of the domestic-violence industry is not easy, because it's a cottage-industry, spread out in hundreds of places. State and federal money goes to well over a hundred institutes, clinics, programs for counseling or outreach or coordination or training, computer databases, coalitions, shelters, PR agencies and other " and there is this: "The truth about violence in the home is that it's pretty much a 50-50 thing. Respected [i]social scientists Murray A. Straus and David Gelles have been publishing research for years that shows the standard Only-Men-Batter story--probably visible on a billboard near you -- just doesn't match reality. Women and men attack each other about equally in the home. Solid research now shows that women begin the physical fighting in their homes about half the time. Equally solid research shows that mothers are responsible for 65 per cent of physical abuse of children. [/i]

GoDfaTheR420Threads: 7 Posts: 46 Joined: Jan 2, 09	Mar 25, 09, 14:42 / #
All this shows is that 800 thousand women deserved a good beating!!... just messing...this topic is getting a lil depressing!

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 25, 09, 14:53 / #
Millions of men are victims of domestic abuse every day...

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Mar 25, 09, 14:54 / #
GoDfaTheR420: this topic is getting a lil depressing! I'll tell you what's depressing. People with an agenda. They fail to tell the 'full truth' because it is counter-intuitive to their bias. Of course men don't tell women or even other men they are battered. They "take it like a man" etc. Studies like the Feibert studies http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm expose the truth to the light of day. But they are for 'objective' people only. By the way, some topics are "depressing". That's the nature of humanity. http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/12/01/domestic-violence-industry-hateful / Excerpts: "In the United States, Dr. Suzanne Steinmetzâ€™ research on the Battered Husband Syndrome triggered a whispering campaign designed to torpedo her impending promotion, as well as a bomb threat at her daughters wedding. Family violence researcher Murray Straus at the University of New Hampshire has been similarly slandered, harassed, and threatened by radicals who all claim to be against violence. Eventually the gender partisans got their way, securing passage of the Violence Against Women Act in 1994. Conservative commentator Phyllis Schlafly would later refer to the legislation as the hate-men law." How about this? "A former worker at Bethany House in Falls Church, Va. revealed the facility was largely used as a free hostel for women with emotional problems if they were willing to hate their husbands enough." One woman, hired to work for a network of shelters in the St. Louis area, quit in disgust after only a few months because the residents â€œwere subjected to a constant barrage of man-hating lesbian propaganda.

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Mar 25, 09, 14:59 / #
miranda: an article in Polish language stating that around 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse. Thanks for posting this Miranda. I have seen two examples of girlfriend battering in my time in Poland and while I can accept that couple fall out and sometimes they fight, the factor that sets Poland apart from many other countries is the official attitude toward it. One of these victims was hospitalised with concussion when her boyfriend bahed her backwards into a wall during an argument. The police refused to get involved unless the injury warranted more than 7 days in hospital - it's entirely possible for a relationship to include chronic and persistent 'low level' battery and still be legal in the eyes of the state, True, women do batter men as well and I would like to see statistics on this, although given Poland's strongly fixed gender roles, I doubt many men would be presenting themselves at a safe house after their wife threatens them with a knife. The feeling of failure would be crushing considering the emphasis placed in the sanctity of "The Family" as a cornerstone of Polish society. I don't want to go too far off topic here but it's funny how all the concerned people who flock to the Jordanian-bashing thread on the basis of a murder are also disputing the facts about the institutionally-accepted violence going on on their own doorstep.

GoDfaTheR420Threads: 7 Posts: 46 Joined: Jan 2, 09	Mar 25, 09, 15:02 / #
ZIMMY: Of course men don't tell women or even other men they are battered. I think battered is a lil over the top.... and as for ''taking it like a man!'' what does that even mean! I'm a man....if a women hits me I KNOW I have done something wrong and probably deserved it...screw the political correctness attitude....the world is becoming lame! In my opinion there is no comparison with the number of men being 'battered' against '800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse yearly'

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: ZIMMY Mar 25, 09, 15:03 / #
MrBubbles: True, women do batter men as well and I would like to see statistics on this Are you blind to the links I provided? Check out the feibert link first! [GodfatherIsays; I'm a man....if a women hits me I KNOW I have done something wrong and probably deserved it My god, what a mangina you are. Oh, just a thought, if a man hits a woman than by your logic she deserves it too......right? Pathetic.

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Mar 25, 09, 15:06 / #
Grzegorz_: Millions of men are victims of domestic abuse every day... Just ask Stephen Hawking...

miranda	Mar 25, 09, 15:16 / #
GoDfaTheR420: All this shows is that 800 thousand women deserved a good beating!!... a silly comment on your part. MrBubbles: the factor that sets Poland apart from many other countries is the official attitude toward it. very true. I find that a lot of people ignore it and the police stand on that is very unclear. How badly does one have to be beaten up to classify for abuse? MrBubbles: it's entirely possible for a relationship to include chronic and persistent 'low level' battery and still be legal in the eyes of the state, good point. MrBubbles: The feeling of failure would be crushing considering the emphasis placed in the sanctity of "The Family" as a cornerstone of Polish society. another good point. MrBubbles: I don't want to go too far off topic here but it's funny how all the concerned people who flock to the Jordanian-bashing thread on the basis of a murder are also disputing the facts about the institutionally-accepted violence going on on their own doorstep. very true.