Fire the Dutchman now!!!

missewa:

Poland never should have hired this Dutch loser. They should offer his job to Peter Nowak, the great Polish coach of former champion DC United. He knows how to teach players how to score goals.

missewa:

Peter Nowak is a winner and this will rub off on his players and he at least can speak Polish.

missewa:

Peter Nowak coached champion mls teams, the Chicago Fire and DC United.

missewa:

Yes, I watched all three games and Poland needs a coach who knows offense and that is Peter Nowak.

missewa:

The goal of a team is not only to be good it is to win and that is what Peter Nowak will do if Poland is smart and hires him. This Dutch guy is old and tired and his team plays that way. Peter Nowak is young and energetic and that is what Poland needs in a coach.

Mateuszoflv:

May I remind you that the two star teams of world cup 2006 (italy, france) couldnt even beat romania and probably wont even qualify. (but its funny that italy and france wont be considered a "******" team. Why wont they? because ppl have a diffrent mentality towards western europe then they do towards slavs and eastern europeans. Thus, people always will regard Poland as a lesser country and its clearly shown by all the people who say that Poland has a ****** football team.

missewaThreads: 4 Posts: 31 Joined: Jun 4, 08	Jun 16, 08, 18:55 / #
Poland never should have hired this Dutch loser. They should offer his job to Peter Nowak, the great Polish coach of former champion DC United. He knows how to teach players how to score goals.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Jun 16, 08, 18:59 / #
Do not blame your players, lackluster, pittiful, unpassionate, wet attempts at the EURO's on Leo Beenhakkers shoulders. Take a look at the Squad itself!!!!! they didn't play and that is that.

missewaThreads: 4 Posts: 31 Joined: Jun 4, 08	Jun 16, 08, 19:13 / #
Peter Nowak is a winner and this will rub off on his players and he at least can speak Polish.

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Edited by: Piorun Jun 16, 08, 19:40 / #
It’s not Leos fault, it’s our boys that ****** up. There was no enthusiasm on their part, mentally they were weak. I think they considered themselves losers even before the game with Germany. Very poor performance and no heart in the game at all.

missewaThreads: 4 Posts: 31 Joined: Jun 4, 08	Jun 16, 08, 19:47 / #
Peter Nowak coached champion mls teams, the Chicago Fire and DC United.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Jun 16, 08, 19:51 / #
Leo is not to blame for poland's disastrous euro '08 campaign - he did the best he could with poland's players. Did you watch all 3 of poland's games??? These men played like amateurs!! They were (as usual) also very weak mentally/psychologically and to me it seemed as though they were not interested or motivated to play. Actually, Artur Boruc is the only good player on the team. Poland was lucky, LUCKY to qualify for this tourney.

missewaThreads: 4 Posts: 31 Joined: Jun 4, 08	Jun 16, 08, 20:19 / #
Yes, I watched all three games and Poland needs a coach who knows offense and that is Peter Nowak.

Mateuszoflv	Jun 16, 08, 20:24 / #
lol you cant blame leo for anything, he was a good coach who got Poland to qualfiers. Compared to Janas Leo is 100x better. erm, and poland's performance was actually good. They didnt play like amateurs and Boruc is certainily not their "best player". (May i mention that Poland often produces the worlds best goalies like dudek.) When you get to such a tournment like the Euro Cup, this is where the BEST teams in Europe( the continent where soccer is a way of life) play off. The Poles faced off to a power house like Germany. A fact about germany is that they have large large sums of money in which they can buy the best players around the world. Poland doesnt have this ability because they weren't rebuilt like Germany was after WWII and communism. Beside the fact, Germany owned Poland because they were simply better prepared. As for the second game, Boruc did save polands ass, but after these inccidents Poland totally dominated the game. THe suprised penatly at the end is what shot polish morale down. I belive that if The referee did not make this bad call on Poland, THe poles would definitly play better against Croatia. Todays game of croatia is an offspring from the low morale caused by the game with Austria. So if you consider all these points Poland certainly isnt a "**** team" like everyone in europe wants to think they are. May I remind you that the two star teams of world cup 2006 (italy, france) couldnt even beat romania and probably wont even qualify. (but its funny that italy and france wont be considered a "**" team. Why wont they? because ppl have a diffrent mentality towards western europe then they do towards slavs and eastern europeans. Thus, people always will regard Poland as a lesser country and its clearly shown by all the people who say that Poland has a **** football team.

MateuszoflvThreads: 4 Posts: 32 Joined: Jun 16, 08	Edited by: Mateuszoflv Jun 16, 08, 20:30 / #
And how the hell can someone say that Poland was "luky" to qualify for the Euro If you havent noticed Mr. polishcanuck, Poland Finished First in their qualifier group. THey hardly lost any games and owned teams left and right INCLUDING may i add Portugal. So if you are saying that Poland is just luky to Qualify then you havent been following the team at all. Edit: I totally agree that Peter Nowak should step up and coach the Poles. I think that Leo Beenhakker did a great job, He did the best he could and in my opinion the game against austria is what did the Poles in.

missewaThreads: 4 Posts: 31 Joined: Jun 4, 08	Edited by: missewa Jun 16, 08, 20:33 / #
The goal of a team is not only to be good it is to win and that is what Peter Nowak will do if Poland is smart and hires him. This Dutch guy is old and tired and his team plays that way. Peter Nowak is young and energetic and that is what Poland needs in a coach.

DecoratorThreads: 5 Posts: 412 Joined: Aug 26, 06	Jun 16, 08, 20:38 / #
Perhaps people forget that Beenhakker isn't a nobody. He has coached Ajax, Feyenoord, Real Madrid, Real Zaragoza and Club America. So though he should bear some of the blame, i think the players need to take a hard look at themselves. Also i'm a little biased because Beenhakker coached my favourite Dutch side, Go Ahead Eagles ;-)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jun 16, 08, 20:55 / #
polish soccer teams have been sucking for years. nothing new nor surprising. i doubt getting nowak will do anything but bring the morale down even more. you can't be changing the coaches that often. the players become way to complacent and blame the coach for THEIR lack of performance.

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Jun 16, 08, 21:38 / #
Mateuszoflv: In all i think that the tournments are based of luck. It's more grit and determination than anything. Based only on skill, all the teams are relatively even, so it usually comes down to who wants it more and who's in better shape. Mateuszoflv: Lol i know , i see that ad too hehe Aren't they annoying? They are so smug.

MateuszoflvThreads: 4 Posts: 32 Joined: Jun 16, 08	Jun 16, 08, 21:44 / #
Yea, determination comes a big way in these tournaments notice how after the first goal the losing side always is dented in a way, (its clearly visible on the T.V. how the losing side suddenly slows down, while the attacking side already has the confidence and determination to win it)

MateuszoflvThreads: 4 Posts: 32 Joined: Jun 16, 08	Jun 16, 08, 20:48 / #
Yes, i agree Beenhakker was the best option for the Poles. And I Really really pray that Nowak will get the job. Poles need a guy who 1.) is young and energetic 2.) Speaks Polish 3.) MOST IMPORTANTLY DOESN'T TAKE DAM BRIBES!!!

missewaThreads: 4 Posts: 31 Joined: Jun 4, 08	Jun 16, 08, 21:25 / #
Has this Dutchman ever won a championship like Peter Nowak has?

MateuszoflvThreads: 4 Posts: 32 Joined: Jun 16, 08	Edited by: Mateuszoflv Jun 16, 08, 21:26 / #
sucking at the tournaments yea they suck as much as France and Italy do in that case But do they suck as a team in the grande scheme of things ? I think not since they are often seen in world cups and euro cups (even if they dont win). They arent a team that is ranked last in the fifa world rankings. not so long ago they were 20th in the world. Edit: and Hey i like leo, he did a great job. I agree he needs more time to get to know the team more. if he really has only coached poland for 2 years then i Belive he did a great job in getting them to euro 2008

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Jun 16, 08, 21:31 / #
missewa: Poland never should have hired this Dutch loser. They should offer his job to Peter Nowak, the great Polish coach of former champion DC United. He knows how to teach players how to score goals. missewa: Peter Nowak is a winner and this will rub off on his players and he at least can speak Polish. missewa: Peter Nowak coached champion mls teams, the Chicago Fire and DC United. missewa: Yes, I watched all three games and Poland needs a coach who knows offense and that is Peter Nowak. missewa: The goal of a team is not only to be good it is to win and that is what Peter Nowak will do if Poland is smart and hires him. This Dutch guy is old and tired and his team plays that way. Peter Nowak is young and energetic and that is what Poland needs in a coach. Umm....how bout you just marry the guy? Got a little Nowak fetish by the looks of it. As for Leo being to blame for the poor run in the Euro's, not true. The thing with the Polish team, if you look at recent history, is that they make an amazing qualifying run into major tournaments, but once they get there, they suck a giant horse penis. Maybe Nowak could change this, but so can any other coach. What they need to do is get rid of Lewandowski, the guy is easily to blame for 2 of the goals, and he plays like an idiot. Golanski played much better than he did. IMHO, they need to bring in some young energy now, get them some experience during their World Cup Qualifying run, and hopefully they'll change things around come 2010. Just a thought. Mateuszoflv: May I remind you that the two star teams of world cup 2006 (italy, france) couldnt even beat romania and probably wont even qualify. (but its funny that italy and france wont be considered a "****" team. Why wont they? because ppl have a diffrent mentality towards western europe then they do towards slavs and eastern europeans. Thus, people always will regard Poland as a lesser country and its clearly shown by all the people who say that Poland has a **** football team. True, but now we ge to laugh at those damn Italian bastards. Every time I go to soccer.com or Fifa.com, I see and ad bragging about how they won the world cup. Really annoys me.

MateuszoflvThreads: 4 Posts: 32 Joined: Jun 16, 08	Jun 16, 08, 21:34 / #
Lol i know , i see that ad too hehe I think that in the major tournments, all the teams are pretty much evenly matched. If they werent, then countries would be losing 10-0 This isnt the case, instead teams are losing 1-0 2-0 this isnt that great of an amount. Most of the goals are shot because of an error in the defense. In all i think that the tournments are based of luck.

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Jun 16, 08, 21:47 / #
Mateuszoflv: (its clearly visible on the T.V. how the losing side suddenly slows down, while the attacking side already has the confidence and determination to win it) Ya, that's true 99.9% of the time, but then you get an oddball like Turkey, which goes against the flow and actually make a comeback and manage to win sometimes. I think the Dutch are going to win this time. They have the most flare and energy when playing.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Edited by: plk123 Jun 16, 08, 21:48 / #
Mateuszoflv: if he really has only coached poland for 2 years then i Belive he did a great job in getting them to euro 2008 poles tend to have a hard time looking on the brighter side of things. El Gato: IMHO, they need to bring in some young energy now, get them some experience during their World Cup Qualifying run, and hopefully they'll change things around come 2010. Just a thought. that was the main issue in the last run. imho

DecoratorThreads: 5 Posts: 412 Joined: Aug 26, 06	Jun 16, 08, 22:33 / #
missewa: Has this Dutchman ever won a championship like Peter Nowak has? Dutch championship with Ajax 1980, 1990 Dutch championship with Feyenoord 1999 Spanish Championship with Real Madrid 1987 1988 1989 Not to mention a Copa Del Rey and Supercopa De Espana Coached the Dutch national team TWICE and managed to get Trinadad & Tobago to the world cup finals in 2006. I guess your right, he's obviously not too good..

MateuszoflvThreads: 4 Posts: 32 Joined: Jun 16, 08	Jun 16, 08, 23:47 / #
Ahh his good. People just dont understand and im sure people will settle down. I didnt feel outraged by the coach in anyway , I felt moreso outraged by the Ref . In the world cup 2006 i was really mad at the coach for throwing out all his players, and adding some old men to play...

missewaThreads: 4 Posts: 31 Joined: Jun 4, 08	Jun 16, 08, 23:51 / #
The way he looks this Dutchman will be dead by 2010 in fact he looks dead already. LOL.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Jun 17, 08, 01:52 / #
He is out anyhow. He had his back turned most of the game out of sheer embarassment and shook everybodys hand on the way to the locker room. Dont expect to see him in Poland again. To me it didnt look like the players believed they could win. That belief has to come from the manager.

DecoratorThreads: 5 Posts: 412 Joined: Aug 26, 06	Jun 17, 08, 02:01 / #
There is also a little matter called pride when you pull on your country's jersey.

jan78Threads: 2 Posts: 14 Joined: Aug 9, 07	Jun 17, 08, 04:31 / #
Leo has done a great job with a poor pool of players to chose from. It must be tough picking the squad when your so called best strikers are all sitting on the bench at club level, promising young players declare they want to play for Germany and as for the domestic based players well they are very average in a poor standard of football. The whole Polish football set up wants over hauling top to bottom ASAP or expect further disappointments to come.

PolanglikThreads: 40 Posts: 883 Joined: May 16, 07	Jun 17, 08, 06:07 / #
jan78: The whole Polish football set up wants over hauling top to bottom ASAP or expect further disappointments to come I totally agree ..... we need to look at football in Poland from schoolboy level ... right up to the professional game !! Leo did a great job getting Polska to Euro2008 ..... topping the qualification group beating and drawing with Portugal on the way ! The fact is that the most of our players lack the quality and passion and belief needed to win matches in major tournaments ! How many of our players play in top club teams ....?? Apart from Kuszczak and Fabianski do we have any outfield players in the Premiership ? Smolarek plays for Racing Santander, but do we have any other players in Spanish or Italian Leagues ? missewa: Peter Nowak coached champion mls teams, the Chicago Fire and DC United. not exactly an impressive managerial cv :o)) we all know that club football in US is not of a very high standard compared to european football. has Nowak coached in Europe ? Leo's body language at the end of yesterday's game was not good .. he looked totally despondent and I wouldn't be surprised if he quit ! At the end of the day the Polish players (with the exception of Boruc and maybe Smolarek) let him and the whole nation down. Maybe Nowak would do a good job as national coach ...... who can tell ! Who can tell what goes on in the minds of Polish footballers when they step out on the international stage ! If Nowak has the respect of the players .. and the backing of PZPN ... then why not :o)

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Edited by: polishcanuck Jun 17, 08, 12:57 / #
Mateuszoflv: They didnt play like amateurs and Boruc is certainily not their "best player". They did play terribly and if boruc is not the best player than who is?? He IS the polish defense. How many times has he saved the team from even more embarrasment? Mateuszoflv: If you havent noticed Mr. polishcanuck, Poland Finished First in their qualifier group. THey hardly lost any games and owned teams left and right INCLUDING may i add Portugal. Did you even watch the euro qualifiers??? Do you know who was in poland's group?? Portugal was the only threat to poland and the poles got lucky in the 2nd game vs the pork chops - go watch the highlights. Mateuszoflv: 3.) MOST IMPORTANTLY DOESN'T TAKE DAM BRIBES!!! Hahahahahahahahahaah, that was funny. You would make a great comedian! Really. ---- As i said above, they need a psychologist.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 17, 08, 13:55 / #
Mateuszoflv: A fact about germany is that they have large large sums of money in which they can buy the best players around the world Erm...we don't buy them...we make them! Actually you will find alot of players in many national teams who learned to play in Germany! And Poland would be only to glad to buy Podolski and co after they got schooled in Germany to be world class players, right? Mateuszoflv: Poland doesnt have this ability because they weren't rebuilt like Germany was after WWII and communism. So...Poland lost in this Euro because of WWII??? Are you serious?