Golota and Adamek fight tonight

tornado2007:

Wroclaw Boy:
You are not in a position to comment unless you have experienced that situation.
you see that is where you are fundamentally wrong, you cannot deny somebody the chance to express their opinion, or having that opinion in the first place.

tornado2007:

If a builder does a bad job does that mean, going on your theory, that i cannot complain about it?? After all i've never build a concervatory!!!

tornado2007:

Wroclaw Boy:
Boxing on the other hand is a true warriors sport, where it takes guts, determination and a level of resolve most people just do not have. Its one on one, whos the fittest, fastest, strongest, most powerfull puncher etc..
well obviously Golota does not have all of those things :)

tornado2007:

so now i'm not allowed to comment on anything that i have no experience of or in??

tornado2007:

they didn't really stand up to them though did they, they ran away like babies??

255	Jun 9, 07, 11:08 / #
Does anybody know if these fights might be available on online tv someplace, maybe on online Polish tv (the Sultan Ibragamov fight was available via online Russian tv last week). The fights will be televised on MSG and FOX tv, but I won't have access to that.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jun 9, 07, 12:55 / #
It will be on Polsat.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jun 9, 07, 14:22 / #
No idea.

Adamek16Threads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Mar 5, 09	Aug 28, 09, 16:10 / #
Oct 26, 09, 04:49 - Thread attached on merging: Boxing: Tomasz Adamek vs Andrew Golota Tomasz Adamek (38-1, 26 KO’s) and former heavyweight contender Andrew Golota (41-7-1, 33 KO) will be fighting on October 24th, in Lodz, Poland.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Edited by: McCoy Aug 28, 09, 19:45 / #
i thought adamek was wiser than this szajt

CzarnyBialaThreads: 2 Posts: 9 Joined: Aug 27, 09	Aug 28, 09, 19:48 / #
Adamek is a genuine world contender.. Why Golota? Adamek's manager should give themselves a shake

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 28, 09, 19:49 / #
Adamek16: Andrew Golota what a wimp, he ran away from Tyson and didn't even want to continue fighting because he knew he was done for, atleast stay in the ring and fight it out to the end!!!

NO 14Threads: 8 Posts: 54 Joined: Dec 15, 07	Aug 28, 09, 20:18 / #
tornado2007: what a wimp, he ran away from Tyson and didn't even want to continue fighting because he knew he was done for, atleast stay in the ring and fight it out to the end!!! HAHA, you make me laugh. What a wimp, bet you wouldnt say that to his face, i met him in a club called Parliment in Gdańsk last year, he is a beast. Got to give anyone respect who stands up to Tyson at that time, dont you think?

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 28, 09, 20:21 / #
NO 14: Got to give anyone respect who stands up to Tyson at that time, dont you think? he didn't really stand up to him though did he, ran away like a baby?? As for the people who did, yes fair play to them!!! Especially when he was at his pomp, my god he was almost unstopable then. NO 14: HAHA, you make me laugh. What a wimp, bet you wouldnt say that to his face, i met him in a club called Parliment in Gdańsk last year, he is a beast. why the heck woulld i have to say it, in boxing terms he is a wimp, he quit :) I would love to ask him why he quit though, i mean how embarassing.

NO 14Threads: 8 Posts: 54 Joined: Dec 15, 07	Edited by: NO 14 Aug 28, 09, 20:25 / #
tornado2007: I would love to ask him why he quit though, i mean how embarassing Politics might have had something to do with it. By the way, are you American? His wife probablly put him up to it haha, apparently, she wasnt happy for him to carry on with the sport. Plus the injuries he sustained must have made it diffucult to compete again.

255	Jun 9, 07, 14:20 / #
How do I get it?

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 31, 09, 00:53 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Youre not really in a position to comment. why not?? your denying me a 'point of view' now?? under what rights or laws?? lol Wroclaw Boy: Many boxers quit when they know they cant win a fight, come on man why carry on and risk everything. The bravest of fighters get scared too. ok maybe it was a little un fair, however if people are allowed to come on and big up (what i see to be an average boxer) surely i'm allowed to counter their point of view??

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Aug 31, 09, 10:43 / #
tornado2007: why not?? your denying me a 'point of view' now?? under what rights or laws?? lol because youre not a boxer nor have you ever been. Who said anything about rights or laws? or denying you a point of view?

mchnai	Aug 31, 09, 11:54 / #
i am from the uk,and am looking to make contact with boxers coming to uk , can any one help me on the best way to contact them, around the slaskie area

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Aug 28, 09, 21:00 / #
NO 14: give anyone respect who stands up to Tyson at that time, dont you think? Totally agree.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Aug 28, 09, 22:29 / #
tornado2007: what a wimp, he ran away from Tyson and didn't even want to continue fighting because he knew he was done for, atleast stay in the ring and fight it out to the end!!! LOL. NO 14: HAHA, you make me laugh. What a wimp, bet you wouldnt say that to his face, i met him in a club called Parliment in Gdańsk last year, he is a beast. Got to give anyone respect who stands up to Tyson at that time, dont you think? Agreed, I respect anyone who'd get in a ring with that animal.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 29, 09, 01:43 / #
NO 14: Politics might have had something to do with it. By the way, are you American? No i'm a Brit (English) NO 14: His wife probablly put him up to it haha, apparently, she wasnt happy for him to carry on with the sport what men will do for their women hay :) lol NO 14: Plus the injuries he sustained must have made it diffucult to compete again. then why step in the ring again in the first place if previous injuries were still bothering him, or are you talking about injuries he may of sustained during the match?? ShelleyS: Agreed, I respect anyone who'd get in a ring with that animal. yeah me too, take away the stuff he did out of the ring, what he did in it was pppppppppffffffffffffff.......................... put it this way i don't think you'll see anybody like him again, the amount of 1st round knockouts!!!!

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Aug 29, 09, 09:31 / #
tornado2007: NO 14: Got to give anyone respect who stands up to Tyson at that time, dont you think? he didn't really stand up to him though did he, ran away like a baby?? As for the people who did, yes fair play to them!!! Especially when he was at his pomp, my god he was almost unstopable then. What goes around comes around Tyson v Evander Holyfield 1 and 2, the hunter became the hunted and pussied it. I love Tyson though. Youre not really in a position to comment. tornado2007: why the heck woulld i have to say it, in boxing terms he is a wimp, he quit :) Many boxers quit when they know they cant win a fight, come on man why carry on and risk everything. The bravest of fighters get scared too.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Aug 31, 09, 01:00 / #
Adamek is soon going to heavyweight, so this fight makes sense.

mchnai	Aug 31, 09, 12:01 / #
i am a qualified trainer so any boxers or places would be a start , anyone no?

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Sep 1, 09, 01:27 / #
Wroclaw Boy: because youre not a boxer nor have you ever been ow come on thats crap and i think you know it, you are entitled to a view on almost anything, we know jack about running a country yet we are given the vote when it comes to elections. Does taht mean we should not have the vote because we don't know the ins and outs of running a country?? of course not. That is like telling every football fan they don't have a right to comment on a match, its just wrong, what else can i say than that. Wroclaw Boy: Who said anything about rights or laws? or denying you a point of view? the law thing was a bit of a joke, the point of view thing was because you said 'your not really in a position to comment' like your casting aside my right to comment on the subject.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Sep 1, 09, 10:41 / #
tornado2007: ow come on thats crap and i think you know it Nah, i dont so. tornado2007: you are entitled to a view on almost anything agreed tornado2007: we know jack about running a country yet we are given the vote when it comes to elections We live in the country every day, we see the politicians on TV, we know what taxes we prefer to pay, we vote depending on what governemet polocies suit us. tornado2007: That is like telling every football fan they don't have a right to comment on a match, its just wrong, what else can i say than that. Most of us have played football at one time or another, tactics and the way a player runs around the field are not connected to fear. Boxing on the other hand is a true warriors sport, where it takes guts, determination and a level of resolve most people just do not have. Its one on one, whos the fittest, fastest, strongest, most powerfull puncher etc.. You are not in a position to comment unless you have experienced that situation. Say what you will about tennis, football or running the country - no problem. tornado2007: what else can i say than that. I have no idea.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Sep 1, 09, 21:18 / #
Wroclaw Boy: You are not in a position to comment unless you have experienced that situation. you see that is where you are fundamentally wrong, you cannot deny somebody the chance to express their opinion, or having that opinion in the first place. Does that mean then a person cannot comment on something he/she has not done?? if so that is crazy. I've never been a builder or a decorator but i can still tell if the job is a good one, i can also tell when its been a bad one. If a builder does a bad job does that mean, going on your theory, that i cannot complain about it?? After all i've never build a concervatory!!! Wroclaw Boy: We live in the country every day, we see the politicians on TV, we know what taxes we prefer to pay, we vote depending on what governemet polocies suit us. so what you are saying is that we make choices by taking in information on something we have never taken part in, then are given the vote to decide the future of the country (Which is a little more important than some ***** boxer being called out for quiting) Yet when applied to (boxing) having done the same (Watched plenty of bouts/fights/matches, heard the trainers/boxers talk/demonstrate and do their thing for years and still don't qualify for something as small as a point of view. lol, don't make me laugh, why are you so protective about it?? Wroclaw Boy: Boxing on the other hand is a true warriors sport, where it takes guts, determination and a level of resolve most people just do not have. Its one on one, whos the fittest, fastest, strongest, most powerfull puncher etc.. well obviously Golota does not have all of those things :) While i agree with you on all of those points, i still don't see why i can't voice my opinion and you call it 'wrong' just because i'm not a boxer myself. There are many many many many professions that are commented on by people outside of them, what makes this so special that only the inner ring (Boxers) are allowed to comment?? Wroclaw Boy: You are not in a position to comment unless you have experienced that situation so now i'm not allowed to comment on anything that i have no experience of or in?? i hope you don't apply this sentence to everything in life, if so you must not have very many opinions, just think of all those things you haven't done. The reason i called it rubbish is because you clearly have views on things you've never done/experienced, i expect i could find examples on this forum, so please don't apply standards to me that you don't follow yourself.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Sep 2, 09, 09:33 / #
tornado2007: Wroclaw Boy: You are not in a position to comment unless you have experienced that situation. you see that is where you are fundamentally wrong, you cannot deny somebody the chance to express their opinion, or having that opinion in the first place. Im not denying you an opinion i said "youre not in a position to comment" tornado2007: If a builder does a bad job does that mean, going on your theory, that i cannot complain about it?? After all i've never build a concervatory!!! Youre really not understanding my point are you. Building a conservatory and fighting for your life in the ring against the most devestating puncher ever to lace up gloves are totally different. tornado2007: Wroclaw Boy: Boxing on the other hand is a true warriors sport, where it takes guts, determination and a level of resolve most people just do not have. Its one on one, whos the fittest, fastest, strongest, most powerfull puncher etc.. well obviously Golota does not have all of those things :) Thats the thing though dummy he does have all those things and more, he wouldnt have a got a world title shot if he didnt, proves how much you really know about boxing. Which annoys me even more about your comment. tornado2007: so now i'm not allowed to comment on anything that i have no experience of or in?? No, youre missing the point again. Its not "not allowed to comment" its "youre not really in a position to comment" stop changing my words. Put it this way, Russian soldiers are running back from the front line at Stalingrad, as the Germans are there in force and theyre scared for thier lives, they knew they were heading for almost certain death. What would be your opinion on that? tornado2007: they didn't really stand up to them though did they, they ran away like babies?? or tornado2007: in war terms they are wimps, they quit :) Ive edited the words slightly to ramm home the point, same ball park. You getting the picture yet?

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Sep 2, 09, 19:07 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Im not denying you an opinion i said "youre not in a position to comment" ow so i'm allowed the opinion but not allowed to express it :) anyway i don't think your in a position yourself to say, who is and who is not in what position to be able to comment on a public forum. Wroclaw Boy: Building a conservatory and fighting for your life in the ring against the most devestating puncher ever to lace up gloves are totally different. No what dosen't make sense is that you feel the need to say 'your in no position to comment' why not just state your differing opinion from mine and take the debate instead of trying to deny me my point (allowing me to express it). Wroclaw Boy: Thats the thing though dummy he does have all those things and more, he wouldnt have a got a world title shot if he didnt, proves how much you really know about boxing. Which annoys me even more about your comment. he had a title shot, did he win it?? surely to be the best you have to have all of those things you listed, therefore the champions are the ones who have the full set. He was not and therefore did not possess all the points on your list. So what did Golota win apart from a couple of bronze medals??? that makes him such a 'great' Wroclaw Boy: No, youre missing the point again. Its not "not allowed to comment" its "youre not really in a position to comment" stop changing my words. ok fair play, i did not mean to change your words, what i will say though is what is the point in having an opinion if you are not allowed to state or discuss it?? You are not denying my opinion but you are denying me the right to comment, therefore making my opinion pointless as nobody can read/hear it, i may aswell not have one in that case. Wroclaw Boy: Put it this way, Russian soldiers are running back from the front line at Stalingrad, as the Germans are there in force and theyre scared for thier lives, they knew they were heading for almost certain death. What would be your opinion on that? well like you said about my building example, this is a totally different case, as for what i think, it depends on what their orders were. Its a simple fact, when your a soldier you do what your ordered to do, i'm not saying that i agree with those orders but thats where i stand. Personally if i were a frontline soldier who stayed and faught the Germans i would be more than a little dissapointed in those who abandoned their posts. Wroclaw Boy: tornado2007: they didn't really stand up to them though did they, they ran away like babies?? or tornado2007: in war terms they are wimps, they quit :) Ive edited the words slightly to ramm home the point, same ball park. You getting the picture yet? yep i get it loud and clear, now your likening a boxing bout to a world war, lol, whose the one with the out of context examples. We have discussed this issue for a number of posts, i think its about time we just said that, we will have to agree to disagree because this is just going to go round in circles. I actually take a lot of your points and can see that i may be a little short sighted when it comes to the actual event but as you say these are 'pros' they should know what they are getting into. Your also right by saying i'm not a boxer, to be honest i'm proud of of, i really don't see the point of getting into a ring to bash somebody about or them bashing you. It is a sport, probably one of the most natural you'll ever find/see in the world. So i'll end by saying Golota is/was not a baby or a coward but he was no sort of example for up and coming boxers. He did not have what it takes to be a true, great top of the world champion, like a Tyson, Ali or numerous others you could name.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Sep 2, 09, 19:19 / #
tornado2007: yep i get it loud and clear, now your likening a boxing bout to a world war, Nope, the factor im trying to express is fear, fear sometimes make people do things that they wouldnt normally do. tornado2007: he had a title shot, did he win it?? surely to be the best you have to have all of those things you listed Nope you need all of those things to win your very first amateur fight, imagine all the amateur fights Golota had, all the professional fights not to mention sparring. If he fell short in any of the main disciplines he wouldnt have made it that far would he. Look you know the point im making your just p1ss arsing around trying to back your way out. I havent got time for your BS now.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 2, 09, 19:24 / #
Isn't Gołota a weight class or 2 above Adamek? I thought he was 20kgs heavier.