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The Tour De France 2009

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espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Edited by: espana Jul 19, 09, 19:22 / #
irishdeano: British Cyclist wiggins has been a very big suprise this year, yes ,i m suprised about the british .

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Edited by: espana Jul 19, 09, 19:39 / #
irishdeano: irishdeano i forgot , a. kloden is armstrong bitc* :)

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Jul 19, 09, 22:16 / #
espana: ALBERTO CONTADOR showed today who is the boss !!!! again !!!!!! Is it enough? Contador really has to do some more before the ITT - Armstrong will put time into him there, and Contador really doesn't want to have the thing decided on Ventoux. I still don't trust or believe that Armstrong is finished.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Jul 19, 09, 22:22 / #
delphiandomine: I still don't trust or believe that Armstrong is finished kloden could be in the podium in paris this year but it looks like he has to help this old guy :(

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Jul 20, 09, 08:44 / #
delphiandomine: I still don't trust or believe that Armstrong is finished. I agree it could be an act... we will see

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Jul 20, 09, 19:47 / #
espana: kloden Of course Klodens grandfather won the Tour de France in 1940, here we can see him breaking away from the pack....... Kloden

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Jul 20, 09, 21:05 / #
dcchris: I agree it could be an act... we will see I just don't know. He was looking finished at several points, he was out of the saddle and looking well...old - but then he was sitting back down and making no real effort to actually try and chase down anyone. When Contador broke away, he didn't try to react at all - and it makes me wonder if the Astana strategy is simply to let Contador open up 3-4 minutes before the ITT and hope he survives from there on. Or maybe Lance really just isn't superhuman.

Firstbase	Jul 22, 09, 01:33 / #
Personally, after today's stage (16, I believe), Lance just doesn't have it this year. Lance admitted that Contador has a much higher VAM (vertical ascent in meters) than he ever had, even in his best years. (Contador's VAM speed is something like 1850, Lance's best was around 1790...) As much as I'd like to see Lance win again, I'm afraid Contador is the "Tiger Woods" of cycling these days and is, essentially, a superior athlete who was designed for the bike. Plus, even if Contador has an off day in the mountains, Lance won't attack a teammate wearing yellow. Lance's only hope is the time trial, but it's too short to make up a minute and a half. Contador appears to be the future of the TDF... and I don't really care much for his personality!

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Jul 22, 09, 04:11 / #
Don't rule Armstrong out just yet. No-one knows what Armstrong is actually capable of yet - he still hasn't appeared to actually try his hardest to stay with Contador, and it might just suit him to have people attacking Contador instead of him. Armstrong is the master of psychology and mind games. He could easily be lulling Contador and others into believing that he's finished, all the while keeping Contador within reach - only to destroy him on Ventoux. If the Schleck brothers attack Contador tomorrow, then although it probably won't succeed, Contador's going to go into the ITT weakened. That sets him up for Armstrong to take some time off him, and although the course isn't long enough for a serious amount of time, let's not forget that Leipheimer took 2"18 out of Contador in 2007 on a 55km ITT - so even given Contador's improvement since then, he could easily lose a minute or so to an Armstrong that's been pretending to be weakened all along. If Armstrong is indeed up to his old mind games, then he could conceivably go into Ventoux behind by less than a minute. And everyone knows that Armstrong came to win. I don't know. I really, really don't know how this is going to go.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 22, 09, 04:16 / #
cantador needs to be on attack all the way to the checkers.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Jul 22, 09, 04:42 / #
Just something to bear in mind. Armstrong has never won Ventoux, and even mentions in his book how he got told off by Eddy Merckx for gifting the stage to Pantani. There's huge significance attached to Ventoux by Armstrong, and he's publicly stated before that his big regret is never having won a stage on there. Then add in the fact that they've arranged for Armstrong to get a delivery of mail by cancer survivors before Ventoux. He took 31 seconds off Ulrich in the above video. Contador has everything to fear from Ventoux, even down to the fact that he lost nearly 2 minutes to Valverde during the Dauphine Libere this year there. For that reason... plk123: cantador needs to be on attack all the way to the checkers.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 22, 09, 22:40 / #
armstrong is 3:55 behind cantador after today's stage.. i'm thinking he's done and he'll be lucky to make the podium.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Edited by: espana Jul 23, 09, 20:19 / #
on saturday it is going to be a good day , we have a few lossers this year in the tour one of them is Carlos Sastre ,i think we will try to do something good . another one is Armstrong , a guy who is finished and has no dignity for trying to get the number one status of the team , just because of the past. miguel indurain looked around when his time came to retire and accepted it like a champion . another thing is, why Bruyneel , went today with armstrong and not with Contador? Contador has won half of the tour on his own , he does not need these two wan*ers and nobody of astana has helped him , thats why he deserves the tour. i dont think Bradley Wiggins will be better than armtrong on saturday but what i hope Frank Schleck or Andréas Klöden takes the podium of this yank on sunday .

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Jul 25, 09, 20:47 / #
ALBERTO CONTADOR won THE TOUR 2009 :) :) :) :)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Edited by: plk123 Jul 25, 09, 21:39 / #
:D

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Jul 25, 09, 22:25 / #
espana: ALBERTO CONTADOR won THE TOUR 2009 :) :) :) :) Don't say such things - he's still got to make it to Paris! I wonder how Contador will do next year against a Armstrong-led team in the spirit of US Postal, especially as Team RadioShack is likely to be one of the best funded, if not the best funded team in the tour. Yep, he's the strongest rider, but hardly of the other teams did anything to counter him - even Saxo Bank were supporting his efforts! And let's not forget that both his Tour wins have came on the back of Bruyneel - would Waughters (given the speculation) really have the experience and nous to guide Contador to another win? Rumour has it that Astana are finished as a team already and that they won't be making it to the Vuelta - and given that the UCI registration is held by Bruyneel, not by the Kazakh Cycling Federation, I can't see them being given entry for next year's Pro Tour. Vinokourov is supposedly coming back to lead them, but with his history, will anyone want to touch them? Can't help but think that we haven't seen the final chapter in the Armstrong-Contador rivalry...

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Jul 26, 09, 09:24 / #
delphiandomine: even Saxo Bank were supporting his efforts! which race were you watching? they were supporting the brothers andy and frank not contador. he was just riding the train. And full respect to contador he is the man of this race. even won the itt and yes the race is over just the see who wins the sprint

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 26, 09, 20:33 / #
saxo helped armstrong in the early stages.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Edited by: espana Jul 26, 09, 20:56 / #
funny this video because this is not the hymn of spain , it is the hymn from dinamark CONGRATULATION ALBERTO CONTADOR

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 26, 09, 21:00 / #
Polish people also say hymn but a hymn is a church song. You mean anthem :)

Jul 26, 09, 21:02 / #

Seanus:

You mean anthem :)

ok sheep thank u :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 26, 09, 21:04 / #
That's a cool photo, espana :)

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Edited by: Moderator Aug 1, 09, 08:43 / #
the tour was almost clean "Tour stage winner tests positive " http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/8178940.stm Tour de France stage 16 winner Mikel Astarloza has been suspended by the International Cycling Union after a positive test for blood-booster EPO.

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