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From India, hotel management courses and studying in Poland



nicvicThreads: 1
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dear friends i am really confused and upset about Poland.i am from India i plan to study in Poznan. hotel management courses and from my country all students going for study in America, Australia ,u.k,like this country but my my self i have to pay more tuition fees for these country.now i am coming to my problem i am really try hard and get my loan education loan in my Indian bank about 8000euros.for studying in Poznan.but i finish my half of processing to Poland.now i have received my friends and my teachers i heard polad is really tough to earn money so don't waste your 8000 euros like that they confusing me friends please help me out.i can not explain any more friends.

my questions

1* i f i come to Poznan i can get job?(hotels,restaurants,bar)
2* if i got job i can re pay my bank loan easily how much salary i can get?
3* from Poland i can go any other Europe country?
polestoleThreads: 1
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Joined: Aug 25, 09 		Edited by: polestole   Aug 26, 09, 05:07 /  #
You certainely should not come to the UK especially when you use lower case letters for our Country. Best get educated first.
omarsherif88Threads: -
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no i dont think so, you need atleast excellent english if you dont have polish language. better go to an english speaking country :)
mvefaThreads: 11
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Well im guessing that you were aproved already by the polish university? if so, well at least in western-Europe, with an student visa you can only work 10 hours a week. Which in Holland would give you around 100 euros a week, In Poland i think less.

If you are thinking about studying and working at the same time, it won't work, you have to have some financial support from the outside.

From Poland you can go to the rest of the shengen-states, as a tourist that is.

Hope this helps
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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nicvic:
1* i f i come to Poznan i can get job?(hotels,restaurants,bar)
2* if i got job i can re pay my bank loan easily how much salary i can get?
3* from Poland i can go any other Europe country?

I've told you time and time again about this issue.

1. No. You can't. Poznań is not so diverse. For an Indian national, your only hope is to find an employer which will want you for your English speaking abilities. But language schools are out, so your only hope is call centres - and there aren't many!

2. 5zl an hour, cash in hand. You might get as much as 7-8zl if you're lucky, but I doubt it as you don't know the Polish language. I know someone that can offer you employment for 5zl an hour plus commission if you're interested? You'd be looking at potentially around 25zl an hour if you're good enough - but he won't be able to offer you more than 5zl an hour guaranteed.

3. No. You'll need a visa for other countries. You might be able to get the C+D visa, but that will require extra proof regarding funds/etc.
nicvicThreads: 1
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hi delphiandomine
i am really don't know how i am going to manage my self friend but i have to there is no option to avoid poland.give me a idea what i have to do now don't say don't come to poland.
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nicvic:
i am really don't know how i am going to manage my self friend but i have to there is no option to avoid poland.give me a idea what i have to do now don't say don't come to poland.

As I said, I know someone that may be able to offer you a job for 5zl an hour plus commission.
nicvicThreads: 1
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What kind of job is that?
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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nicvic:
What kind of job is that?

Call centre work, in English.
nicvicThreads: 1
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How i communicate you in poznan
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Contact jobs@ventrus-solutions.com and attach your CV and a cover letter :)
nicvicThreads: 1
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Thank you friend .i will .
sql_hunterThreads: -
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Hello,

Have you paid ur fee to the university?, when are you planning to come here? what education you have already. I dont think you can manage with 5zł . Where do you live in India, I am from India too
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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sql_hunter:
I dont think you can manage with 5zł . Where do you live in India, I am from India too

It's not about managing, he just won't get the offers from anywhere well paying.

You can live on 5zl an hour - many people do in Poland, why should he be any different? You can probably share a room with someone for around 300zl a month. Add in food costs (cheap if you can cook and use seasonal produce) of around 200zl a month and voila - 25 hours a week at minimum wage should see him ok.
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Do u think student can spend 25h in week and can finish his studies as well. I know Indians think they can earn lot of money in Abroad which is not true.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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sql_hunter:
Do u think student can spend 25h in week and can finish his studies as well. I know Indians think they can earn lot of money in Abroad which is not true.

I've known people to work full time management jobs alongside studying, so it can be done.

But you're right, he has posted on this forum asking if he can make 20zl an hour working in Poland, which is completely unrealistic.

To the original poster - you still haven't sent your CV to the e-mail address I gave you.
nicvicThreads: 1
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still i am in india after i move to poland i will send friend
fuhrerThreads: -
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Hi Nicvic I dont think so its easy to get good job easily but if u still wanna try then its your wish
King SobieskiThreads: 7
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delphiandomine:
Call centre work, in English.

his/her english skills arent that great...at your own peril.
Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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King Sobieski:
at your own peril.

You know its not only mean but sadistic to try and harm someones career opportunity? Let the employee and the employer decide.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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King Sobieski:
his/her english skills arent that great...at your own peril.

At 5zl an hour plus commission, it's worth the risk ;)
RevokeNiceThreads: 21
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nicvic:
hotel management courses and from my country all students going for study in America, Australia ,u.k,like this country

Study in your own country, when you are qualified, search for work abroad. A hotel management degree is not looked upon favourably in western countries.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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RevokeNice:
Study in your own country, when you are qualified, search for work abroad. A hotel management degree is not looked upon favourably in western countries.

Hey, don't talk to my potential staff like that!
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RevokeNice:
Study in your own country, when you are qualified, search for work abroad. A hotel management degree from the accession states is not looked upon favourably in western countries.

EDIT, see words in bold.

delphiandomine:
Hey, don't talk to my potential staff like that!

You mean your potential minimum wage drone? How much commission will you get?

He should save up his money and study hotel management in Switzerland. They will put him on a work placement, and if he is any use, the hotel will offer him some part time work when he finishes his placement. Once he qualifies, he will walk into a junior Duty Management position in the west. If he studies in Poland, and does not learn the Polish language, his chances of getting a job, other than cleaning the jacks, in either Poland or the west, are slim to none.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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RevokeNice:
EDIT, see words in bold.

A 'hotel management' degree from a private institution in any EU state is worthless, not just Poland.

RevokeNice:
You mean your potential minimum wage drone? How much commission will you get?

5zl an hour, 25zl for every sale. OTE of 1500zl a week on full time hours, not bad is it? :)
RevokeNiceThreads: 21
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delphiandomine:
A 'hotel management' degree from a private institution in any EU state is worthless, not just Poland.

Not if you want to work in that field. Shannon Hotel and Catering institute is recognised and respected across the globe. I could get a job in the states, using contacts made there, in a matter of hours.

delphiandomine:
5zl an hour, 25zl for every sale. OTE of 1500zl a week on full time hours, not bad is it? :)

Whats your slice of the pie?
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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RevokeNice:
Whats your slice of the pie?

Enough to make it worth my while :)

Incidentally, the offer is open to anyone. EU-15 nationals with fluent English are particularly welcome ;)
ShelleySThreads: 18
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delphiandomine:
Incidentally, the offer is open to anyone. EU-15 nationals with fluent English are particularly welcome ;)

What's the product and what's the average ratio of sales per person on the team?
King SobieskiThreads: 7
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Lodz_The_Boat:
You know its not only mean but sadistic to try and harm someones career opportunity? Let the employee and the employer decide.

yet the "employer" taking advantage of the employee is escaping your moral code???

and if someone works in a english oriented call centre type environment then surely decent english is prerequisite.

maybe when poland starts outsourcing call centres to india you will see the frustration when you have an issue with your credit card/telephone account.
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