Need help about employment process in Poland

MrBubbles:

Don't be scared to act angry. hurt, bitter, vindictive or throw a childish tantrum. In any civilised country this would mark you out as an immature loser unworthy of anything other than the acting profession but in Poland it is often the best way to get service from bjurwas.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Dec 13, 08, 12:15 / #
Hello All, I accepted an job offer from Poland. My problem is everything proceeding too slow. Inıtially I was in contact with same companies's headquarters in different country in Europe. It was nice and fast. Now I am trying to deal with a HR person in Warsaw office. She rarely reply my e-mails,(Sometimes she say she didn't receive them) Many times I can't reach her by phone. And It is taking weeks for every single step and I am not getting logical answers for my questions. She's saying all the time she's so busy etc. Now I am in work permit stage. She will make the application but I worry it can take a year with her. What should I do ? Any suggestion or similar experiences would be helpful.

noimmigration	Dec 13, 08, 12:29 / #
typical polish incompetance

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Dec 13, 08, 12:40 / #
Send her final warning and if things don't improve, try to reach her boss? noimmigration: typical polish incompetance Typical noimmi's uselessness

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Dec 13, 08, 12:43 / #
mephias: My problem is everything proceeding too slow Well that's an interesting problem and I'd like to take the opportunity to speak about Poles and work for a minute. You have to get inside the mind of the typical office worker here. To them, work is nothing more than a way of getting money. They are usually paid below market rate (possibly because when you apply for a job here the employer asks you "How much do you think you should be paid" and everyone underestimates themselves to get the job) and have little hope of promotion or interesting tasks unless they're shagging / related to the boss Their psychology operates on a simple principle of "minimum effort, maximum reward". They will do whatever they can to avoid work - not answering calls is a common tactic but they'll dump the work on someone else if they can or even just deny the job ever existed. A Richard Pryor sketch comes to mind where he says that if your wife catches you in bed with your mistress, just keep denying you're shagging her - tell her she's wrong, that you're reading a book, that you're alone and so on. So to deal with one of these idiots (whose only qualification comes from a degree course where they went partying with friends and sucked up to the lecturers to avoid work) you have to shift the cost / benefit ratio in your favour by making it more difficult for them to ignore your request. This is difficult though. I'd say go to the boss (as long as it's not her dad) and complain. Alternatively, try to find someone else in HR at her level who will (usually) be grateful for the opportunity to deal with it (hence getting one up on their rivals). Don't be scared to act angry. hurt, bitter, vindictive or throw a childish tantrum. In any civilised country this would mark you out as an immature loser unworthy of anything other than the acting profession but in Poland it is often the best way to get service from bjurwas. The best of luck. Let us know how you get on.

Lir	Dec 13, 08, 12:44 / #
noimmigration: typical polish incompetance How do you know ? Have you had much experience in this area ? By the way it is 'incompetence' :) mephias: What should I do ? Maybe send a fax <you get a confirmation that it has been sent with a date and a time and the number of the recipient> Ask her specific, bullet type questions and ask her for dates when she expects things to be ready ? When do you have to start the job ? Do you have any contact with your new boss , who maybe can assist you with HR ? If so, then send him a copy of your fax and/or email for information and make sure that the fax and/ or email going to the HR shows that you have sent a copy of same to your new boss ? It may work ? :)

zionThreads: 20 Posts: 180 Joined: Dec 21, 07	Dec 13, 08, 12:52 / #
Hey if you dont want the job I do so hook me up I know how to deal with then

esekThreads: 5 Posts: 269 Joined: Jun 3, 08	Dec 13, 08, 13:13 / #
mephias: Any suggestion or similar experiences would be helpful. Maybe she dosn't speak / write English fluently and communication with you isn't easy for her? :D

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Dec 13, 08, 13:16 / #
Lir: Do you have any contact with your new boss , who maybe can assist you with HR ? If so, then send him a copy of your fax and/or email for information and make sure that the fax and/ or email going to the HR shows that you have sent a copy of same to your new boss ? Thank you Lir, I don't know her manager, I contacted with several times with her colleagues (who are at least faster and I am able to get some answers from them) in headquarters. It seems they are protecting her or maybe they are in same organizationl level and can't say something to her. I am told start date will be set after work permit. I'll hopefully talk to her next week again and insist on to set a start date and express my complaints again. To be honest I am also indecisive about to send something to her boss. I really want the job and I think she can manipulate people against me who she knows very well and I don't know at all. I am trying to resolve the issue as peaceful as possible.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Dec 13, 08, 14:11 / #
Thank you all who write answers... [ esek: Maybe she dosn't speak / write English fluently and communication with you isn't easy for her? :D She is fluent. I made an interview with her. My theory there may be a conflict between her and Headquarters. I made most of the interviews with headquarters and accepted by them. She may not be happy about that.

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08	Dec 13, 08, 14:57 / #
can't you complain to headquarters that she doesn't seem to be co-operating?

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Dec 13, 08, 15:19 / #
benszymanski: can't you complain to headquarters that she doesn't seem to be co-operating? I've already complain in formal way. I've stated several times it's going too slow. They said it all depend on her now and they have nothing to do. But the people I've complained is at same level with her. I'll try to be patient a little bit more and if I won't see any improvement I'll try to contact with her or manager or my future manager. As you can see I am very confused and also scared to lose the opportunity because of such a nonsense.

Lir	Dec 13, 08, 15:34 / #
I'm replying from my iPhone so unfortunately cannot c&p Mephias but I wanted to reply back to you this evening :) I didn't say to complain about her to her boss in fact that would be the worst thing to do. You haven't yet started to work there and certainly don't want to cause friction with existing employees especially anyone in HR. I thought that if you knew your new boss ( the person who you will be reporting too or who will manage you ) then there would be no harm in sending him a copy of your fax/ email . Then if he wanted you on board quicker he could do something. A lot also depends how quickly they want you to start ?

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Edited by: mephias Dec 13, 08, 16:19 / #
Lir: I thought that if you knew your new boss ( the person who you will be reporting too or who will manage you ) then there would be no harm in sending him a copy of your fax/ email . I only talked to him once 4 months ago. Till then I am only in contact with HR people. So it may be strange to send something to him. Anyway I'll do as much as I can to make things faster. Let's see what will happen. I am waiting impatiently to start my new life in Warsaw.

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08	Dec 14, 08, 09:05 / #
Tricky situation. Personally I would try to cover my bases and continue to look for other work just in case this falls through or takes too long. You may well find something else/better in the time it takes her to sort out your contract..... Otherwise I don't think there is much you can do apart from be patient.

Wroclaw Boy	Dec 14, 08, 09:13 / #
mephias: She rarely reply my e-mails,(Sometimes she say she didn't receive them) Many times I can't reach her by phone. And It is taking weeks for every single step and I am not getting logical answers for my questions. She's saying all the time she's so busy etc. mephias: Any suggestion or similar experiences would be helpful. Unfortunately I experience the above on a regular basis. The only thing you can do is keep on at her, or threaten to speak to her superiors.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Dec 14, 08, 10:29 / #
benszymanski: Tricky situation. Personally I would try to cover my bases and continue to look for other work just in case this falls through or takes too long. You may well find something else/better in the time it takes her to sort out your contract..... I am currently working in my home country. Bad thing about my current job I travel too much and I am really tired about this. Except her everything was very nice with the company and offer was good. It may be very hard to find a similar job because of global economical crysis. Wroclaw Boy: Unfortunately I experience the above on a regular basis. The only thing you can do is keep on at her, or threaten to speak to her superiors. I am trying to do that. But she behave like everything is normal and I am trying to squeeze her because of nothing.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Dec 17, 08, 15:48 / #
MrBubbles: Don't be scared to act angry. hurt, bitter, vindictive or throw a childish tantrum. In any civilised country this would mark you out as an immature loser unworthy of anything other than the acting profession but in Poland it is often the best way to get service from bjurwas. Still haven't heard anything from her. Maybe I should follow your advice. I am getting out of patience.

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Dec 17, 08, 16:04 / #
mephias: Still haven't heard anything from her. Maybe I should follow your advice. So you should. If more people followed my advice, the world would be a better place. Now, go and smack the btch up

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Jan 14, 09, 16:04 / #
Now I need help on another issue. I am currently waiting for residence permit and working in my current company, after I got residence permit I'll apply to Polish Embassy in my country, If they approve I'll get residence permit and I have to go to Poland to get the work permit. And the company which offered me a job can only officially sign a contract with me after I get the work permit. Problem is when should I notify my current company officially ? First option is I may assume there won't be any problem to get the work permit after I got the residence from Polish Embassy and notify my company while I am in my country and I may move Poland once after notification period. But I'll be in trouble If I can't get the permit as I leave my current job. Second option, I may use my leave to move to Poland for work permit and I propose a start date which is one month later after I got the work permit and I can return and wait for notification period. Less risky but boring option. What is your suggestion ?

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Jan 15, 09, 08:43 / #
Still no reply Should I ask this to my future employer ?

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07	Jan 15, 09, 08:46 / #
mephias: She rarely reply my e-mails,(Sometimes she say she didn't receive them) Many times I can't reach her by phone. And It is taking weeks for every single step and I am not getting logical answers for my questions. She's saying all the time she's so busy etc. If you hear moans on the office phone line,you should not disturb.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Jan 15, 09, 09:03 / #
Of course I am not doing that :) Actually that issue is seem to be resolved, I have another question on 19. reply.

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08	Jan 15, 09, 11:11 / #
mephias: Less risky but boring option Well you've answered your own question. Up to you if you want to take the risk of whether you papers are done on time. What happens if your work permit is delayed because of some random problem or they 'lose' your paperwork?

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Jan 15, 09, 13:48 / #
You are right but even if there is a delay like one or two month it won't be a big problem. However it would be a big problem if polish authorities deny to give me a work permit or someone from company change their mind after I got the residence which are very unlikely to happen.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Edited by: mephias Jan 19, 09, 17:55 / #
benszymanski: Well you've answered your own question. Up to you if you want to take the risk of whether you papers are done on time. What happens if your work permit is delayed because of some random problem or they 'lose' your paperwork? Today I notified my current company. They don't get it negatively and show very mature approach, they said even in case of any problem on residence & work permit they will be happy to continue with me. Now there is no risk ..., I am very relaxed.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Mar 12, 09, 23:54 / #
The company applied for my work permit two months ago. Today I asked and they said it can take 2-3 weeks more. Is this period normal ? Is there any possibility (or any case that you experienced) that Polish Authorities don't give the permission ?

vipserviceThreads: - Posts: 18 Joined: Jan 27, 09	Apr 8, 09, 10:50 / #
Hi everybody, I can see a lot of different problems in the posts. The process is different fo EU and non EU citizens. This is the first thing. It is not true that you have to wait several month for a work permit!! You can come and work in Poland on a work visa granted by the Polish Embassy if you are a non Eu citizen.Then you will apply for a residence permit in Poland. Getting all done once in Poland - 45 days !! Usually international company are delegating the issue of work and residence permit to specialized companies. If you want we can get in touch with your company and help them with the process. vip-service@vip-service.com.pl

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER	Apr 8, 09, 21:36 / #
vipservice: You can come and work in Poland on a work visa granted by the Polish Embassy if you are a non Eu citizen.Then you will apply for a residence permit in Poland. Getting all done once in Poland - 45 days !! Yes I am told that process has changed on last february. It is now possible to receive a work permit while you are not in Poland. Anyway I expect to receive mine next week. Hopefully I'll move to Warsaw in a month.