Specific qualifications for a specific career

Wroclaw Boy:

Its not about the money in this particular profession though is it?? Its about helping peolple who are sick and being good at it.

WTF.

What is the World coming too, or should i say where the hell are we at???? un fcuking believable. I never ever had money now that im slightly succesfull, i look for ways to improve myself and others not for financial gain.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Jul 23, 09, 16:41 / #
That seems to be the norm in Poland, you study for god knows how many years from an early age to become a what ever only to figure out when you got there its not really what you thought it would be. This situation seems to repeat all over Poland. Qualified people in jobs they either hate or are doing for the money only. What happened to hiring the right person for right the job regardless of a piece of paper? We can all adapt to working enviroments providing we have a certain level of, intellect, inter personal skills or any other trait relevant for the work in question. How ever in Poland you aint got the qualifications you dont get the job. Thats a shite cake.

tj123	Jul 23, 09, 16:48 / #
Poland has a real problem in putting "status" above skill. Something else that really screwed things up is that when communism fell and the country opened to the EU people who spoke English were often put in elevated positions simply because they were the ones who could communicate regardless of whether or not they actually knew what they were doing. It has carried over to this day...who you know or who you have sucked up to holds much more weight than any qualification or ability.

tj123	Jul 23, 09, 16:53 / #
You know...I find it hilarious how they act like they are doing you a favor offering you some shite job for a few zl and wanting some stupid amount of qualifications. "oh you dont have a PhD and 27 years experience licking envelopes? Hmm I am not sure we can start you off in the envelope licker position...we might have something in cleaning toilets...if you just had an advanced degree in that it would suit us perfectly...how does 17zl per hour working from 4am to 9am 7 days a week?"

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Jul 23, 09, 17:02 / #
tj123: "oh you dont have a PhD and 27 years experience licking envelopes? Hmm I am not sure we can start you off in the envelope licker position... LOL thats the stuff. Lets take a banking clerk, for the most part nobody at the bank has a fooking clue whats going on, they all have to ask a superior for the most menial tasks. Even hes on the phone to Warsaw toute suite.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 23, 09, 17:33 / #
that's how the real world works whether it's pl or usa or wherever.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Jul 23, 09, 17:58 / #
plk123: that's how the real world works whether it's pl or usa or wherever. Actually its not, the above examples of the USA or Poland only partially cover the real World. Im a MD and employ around 10 Poles at any one time i couldnt care a less about their qualifications. I go with on the job performance. No qualifications here im afraid, i wont stand for that BS.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 23, 09, 18:10 / #
where is you clinic? i'll be sure to avoid it. ;P :D

tj123	Jul 23, 09, 18:13 / #
Wroclaw Boy: LOL thats the stuff. Lets take a banking clerk, for the most part nobody at the bank has a fooking clue whats going on, they all have to ask a superior for the most menial tasks. Even hes on the phone to Warsaw toute suite. Haha yeah why is the bank so high tension? I love it when you start to ask a question and before you even talk the girl looks all scared and says "moment please" while they fetch someone else. Then those two stand a few meters away and whisper while glancing furtively at you for a second...they go get another person and repeat this. Then the "manager" approaches carefully and asks if he can help you. Then when you say you just want to make a deposit you see the tension drain from his face and a collective sigh permeates the bank. Seems another tragedy averted....

dnzThreads: 25 Posts: 804 Joined: Dec 2, 07	Jul 23, 09, 18:14 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Actually its not, the above examples of the USA or Poland only partially cover the real World. Im a MD and employ around 10 Poles at any one time i couldnt care a less about their qualifications. I go with on the job performance. No qualifications here im afraid, i wont stand for that BS. I didn't know that you were a doctor WB or is this a different WB to the one that used to frequent here?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Jul 23, 09, 18:17 / #
dnz: I didn't know that you were a doctor WB I should have been a doctor thats for sure id be a great Doctor. Wroclaw Boy: Im a MD Managing Director. plk123: where is you clinic? Who said i had a clinic numpty? 1+1 = 2 not 3

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Jul 23, 09, 18:23 / #
dnz: I wish i'd studied harder after seeing the wages they get :( Same here, me mums a dentist.. and I went for calculus and programming.. blimey

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 23, 09, 23:06 / #
Good thread! This seems to ring true. Still, there is one thing that can override the need for paperwork. And that is? Da da, nepotism.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Edited by: frd Jul 30, 09, 11:56 / #
Some career paths are specialized to a certain extent after which, it's hard to work in a different trade. I don't think I could do anything beside programming and software/hardware development. You can probably do more things after worthless philosophy but nothing from the specialized proffesional branch. And stories about employing hobbyists without education are usually bollocks...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Jul 30, 09, 12:00 / #
Very true, frd. Those who get into programming usually become immersed in it very quickly and build their portfolio. I like the versatility of teaching. It's sometimes too much of an open book but I still keep the option of flexibility and transferable skills.

dnzThreads: 25 Posts: 804 Joined: Dec 2, 07	Jul 23, 09, 18:19 / #
Wroclaw Boy: I should have been a doctor thats for sure id be a great Doctor. I wish i'd studied harder after seeing the wages they get :(

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Jul 23, 09, 18:30 / #
dnz: Wroclaw Boy: I should have been a doctor thats for sure id be a great Doctor. I wish i'd studied harder after seeing the wages they get :( frd: dnz: I wish i'd studied harder after seeing the wages they get :( Same here, me mums a dentist.. and I went for calculus and programming.. blimey Its not about the money in this particular profession though is it?? Its about helping peolple who are sick and being good at it. WTF. What is the World coming too, or should i say where the hell are we at???? un fcuking believable. I never ever had money now that im slightly succesfull, i look for ways to improve myself and others not for financial gain.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Jul 23, 09, 19:09 / #
Wroclaw Boy: me mums a dentist Well thats fcuks you up for starters with an accent like that. "Me old man used to look after cars like" you know what i mean mate.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 23, 09, 20:06 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Who said i had a clinic so, you work out of the back of a van then? nice.. :D

tj123	Jul 23, 09, 20:18 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Its not about the money in this particular profession though is it?? Its about helping peolple who are sick and being good at it. WTF. What is the World coming too, or should i say where the hell are we at???? un fcuking believable. I never ever had money now that im slightly succesfull, i look for ways to improve myself and others not for financial gain. Most people are motivated by greed and profit. Look how people here show off when they have something others don't...have you ever seen a Maluch parked on the sidewalk because the owner is too much of a twat to park normally? Nope it is always the Porsche or the Maybach. I find Warsaw at least to be full of greedy twats who are always trying to squeeze you for a bit more.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Jul 23, 09, 21:06 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Managing Director mr posh :) are you the owner ?

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,148 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER	Jul 23, 09, 22:11 / #
Wroclaw Boy: you study for god knows how many years from an early age to become a what ever only to figure What seems to be happening in the United States today, is many people obtain a college degree and no jobs are available in their field of work. I know many unemployed school teachers who are now experiencing this. Regardless if employed or not, their student loans still need to be paid. A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Jul 23, 09, 23:16 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Actually its not, Its more like that in the UK now, since the introduction of Graduate schemes, its completely changed the dynamics of an office, those that worked hard for years and learnt the trade and moved up through the ranks, dont get that chance now, they bring in "trainee" managers...no experience and fresh out of uni...But they do have a degree..

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 29, 09, 19:47 / #
I feel that there is much more to be discussed in this thread. I reckon the deviation from the career path would be quite high. You know, you study diligently for years and then a change of direction. Would this be a fair statement?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jul 29, 09, 20:04 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Actually its not, the above examples of the USA or Poland only partially cover the real World. Ad Canada and UK to the examples.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 30, 09, 11:39 / #
If there is upward mobility, people are gonna move around more and 'stray' from the path. More and more Poles have the financial means to travel. Sometimes they like it so much abroad that they move there permanently. It depends what you studied but sometimes a degree is only a door opener and a higher degree a means to a bonus.