Is 8000zl Brutto per Month a good salary in Wroclaw???

OsiedleRuda:

I also disagree that the cost of living in the UK is so different to the cost of living in Poland - your quote of 1800 PLN is around what you would pay for a smallish flat or house round here (£400-425/month) and you would get closer to 60m/sq for the price here, as well a garden (which you wouldn't get in a Polish apartment block).

olitoThreads: 8 Posts: 54 Joined: Apr 29, 07	Oct 2, 09, 20:41 / #
Wondering how much per month could I be able to save?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Oct 2, 09, 20:45 / #
It's good anywhere in Poland...

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Oct 2, 09, 20:51 / #
It is good. However, its twofold amount, 16.000, is much better.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER	Oct 2, 09, 20:54 / #
i think 32000 is the minimum...

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Oct 2, 09, 20:56 / #
pgtx: i think 32000 is the minimum... Pah! I wouldn't get out of bed for that.....

NikaThreads: 3 Posts: 651 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Edited by: Nika Oct 2, 09, 21:00 / #
yes, it is good salary anywhere in PL. Now your savings would depend on your life style: your rent (an appartment on your own or shared with someone), how much you spend on going out, shopping etc. but with 8000 gros per month you will be able to put money aside, that's for sure.

OsiedleRuda	Oct 2, 09, 21:05 / #
olito: Is 8000zl Brutto per Month a good salary in Wroclaw??? Of course it is, it's nearly double the minimum wage in the UK, and more than double the Polish average. olito: Wondering how much per month could I be able to save? That depends entirely on your lifestyle. szarlotka: Pah! I wouldn't get out of bed for that..... I used to know an IT consultant over here who used to say he wouldn't get out of bed for less than £40 an hour. He soon changed his mind when the dotcom bubble burst :D

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Oct 2, 09, 22:02 / #
Grzegorz_: It's good anywhere in Poland... For once I agree with Grzegorz! In Wrocław it's fine, even in Warsaw it's not bad. How much you can save depends on how much you like the good life.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Oct 2, 09, 22:04 / #
Plenty of good restaurants to spend your money in. 8000PLN is fantastic in these times :)

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Oct 2, 09, 22:42 / #
olito: Wondering how much per month could I be able to save? If you walk instead of going by the underground, you may save a lot. Polish "tubes" are expensive.

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Oct 3, 09, 20:37 / #
check this; http://wroclaw.gumtree.pl/c-Nieruchomo-ci-dom-mieszkanie-wynajm-prywat ne-2-pokojowe-mieszkanie-w-centrum-W0QQAdIdZ159587108 renting a single room may be cheaper. food for a single person;around 200zł bottle of cheap vodka 15złx30days=45zł bottle of good vodka 25złx30 days=75zł bread 2-3zł cola 2l-5zł beer in a market 2.5zł-4.5zł beer in a pub 8-10zł tirówka -60zł you should make the ends meet

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Oct 3, 09, 21:48 / #
rafik: food for a single person;around 200zł----a week bottle of cheap vodka 15złx30days=45zł----450zł bottle of good vodka 25złx30 days=75zł---750zł

esekThreads: 5 Posts: 269 Joined: Jun 3, 08	Edited by: esek Oct 4, 09, 11:33 / #
olito: I know the value of money in Warszawa and Lublin but not in Wroclaw, that's why I'm asking! Cost of living in Warsaw, Lublin and Wroclaw is very similar! Maybe you will have to pay a bit more for renting a flat in Warsaw than in Wroclaw and Lublin will be the cheapest, but... the differences aren't so big. It's totally different thing though if you want to buy a flat.... then Warsaw is much more expensive than Lublin. Ok... in Warsaw also pubs, restaurants are more expensive, but still... not everyone like to visit such places and generally speaking food cost is almost the same everywhere in Poland. I'd say that Lublin is 20-30% cheaper than Warsaw and Wroclaw maybe 10-15%.

esekThreads: 5 Posts: 269 Joined: Jun 3, 08	Oct 4, 09, 12:09 / #
SzwedwPolsce: I think 20-30% is a considerable difference. Yes, you are right ..... but those 20-30% is when you like to go to pub and restaurant from time to time... if you prefer to stay at home then the difference is lower. What is also important you can earn even 50% more in Warsaw than in Lublin working on the same position ( I'm talking here about my field - IT stuff ... ).

olitoThreads: 8 Posts: 54 Joined: Apr 29, 07	Oct 3, 09, 20:05 / #
Nika: yes, it is good salary anywhere in PL. Now your savings would depend on your life style: your rent (an appartment on your own or shared with someone), how much you spend on going out, shopping etc. but with 8000 gros per month you will be able to put money aside, that's for sure. Let's say I have no problems with sharing an apartment as long as I have my private room, I have no fancy hobbies (just piwo). Any idea how much a room not so far from Rynek is? How much I would be giving monthly for food?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Oct 3, 09, 21:00 / #
olito: Let's say I have no problems with sharing an apartment as long as I have my private room, I have no fancy hobbies (just piwo). So I think you should be able to save no less than 60% of that money.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Oct 3, 09, 21:51 / #
szarlotka: Pah! I wouldn't get out of bed for that..... Would you get IN bed for that? :D (just a question not a proposition)

poleaxeThreads: 2 Posts: 39 Joined: Sep 4, 09	Oct 3, 09, 23:11 / #
That you dont even know the value of money in Poland suggests the employer is wasting 8000zl on you to be honest!

olitoThreads: 8 Posts: 54 Joined: Apr 29, 07	Edited by: olito Oct 4, 09, 11:11 / #
poleaxe: That you dont even know the value of money in Poland suggests the employer is wasting 8000zl on you to be honest! I know the value of money in Warszawa and Lublin but not in Wroclaw, that's why I'm asking!

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Oct 4, 09, 11:54 / #
olito: Wondering how much per month could I be able to save? It depends only on your lifestyle. It's easy to live on 3000 zl per month, but it's also easy to spend 10 000 zl per month. But if you want to save money, you can do it for sure. You don't seem to be a huge "money-waster". esek: Cost of living in Warsaw, Lublin and Wroclaw is very similar! esek: I'd say that Lublin is 20-30% cheaper than Warsaw I think 20-30% is a considerable difference. But I agree with you that cost of living in Wrocław is somewhere between Wawa and Lublin.

olitoThreads: 8 Posts: 54 Joined: Apr 29, 07	Oct 4, 09, 12:25 / #
esek: SzwedwPolsce: SzwedwPolsce: esek: Thank you guys, it is a relief that is not as expensive as Warszawa (once I had to pay 12zl for a beer in a bar, whereas in Lublin I usually pay maximum 6zl)

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Oct 4, 09, 13:37 / #
olito: once I had to pay 12zl for a beer in a bar Especially if you go where there are a lot of tourists it will be expensive. But normally outside Wawa and Krakow 6-8 zl for a beer in a bar.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Oct 4, 09, 14:13 / #
SzwedwPolsce: 6-8 zl Or 5-6 zl if you are really lucky.

OsiedleRuda	Oct 4, 09, 16:21 / #
pawian: If you walk instead of going by the underground, you may save a lot. Polish "tubes" are expensive. Where's this "Metro wrocławskie" then? I must have missed it when I was last there ;) :D The more I read these type of threads, the more glad I am that I live in the UK. Sure, we've got problems, but even my last flat in London only cost me about the equivalent of 3800 PLN a month. But even after that, I was left with about 8000 PLN to spend on everything else. It makes me wonder why anyone over here would move to Poland?

esekThreads: 5 Posts: 269 Joined: Jun 3, 08	Oct 4, 09, 18:15 / #
OsiedleRuda: London only cost me about the equivalent of 3800 PLN a month. But even after that, I was left with about 8000 PLN to spend on everything else. Ok, let's make some math now.... so you earn 12k pln and spend ~4k for a flat monthly which is 1/3 of your salary. Now, olito (probably) have a job offer where he can earn 8k brutto which is ~5500zl netto. He will spend about 1800zl for a 2 room, ~50sqr meters flat in Wroclaw which is also about 1/3 of his salary... so where is the difference? Cost of living in UK is higher than in Poland.

OsiedleRuda	Oct 4, 09, 18:35 / #
esek: so where is the difference? He has a much lower disposable income. And lives in a city which is hardly a major player in global terms. Although it's a great city, it cannot even begin to compare to somewhere like London. I also disagree that the cost of living in the UK is so different to the cost of living in Poland - your quote of 1800 PLN is around what you would pay for a smallish flat or house round here (£400-425/month) and you would get closer to 60m/sq for the price here, as well a garden (which you wouldn't get in a Polish apartment block). Furthermore, from what relatives tell me, it doesn't seem that gas/electric is much cheaper over there. And I have seen the price of food for myself - many Polish products cost less over here! So, that leaves what... transport. OK, I'll give you that, bus fares are cheaper than here :) Of course, all the above is just my opinion ;) I suppose what I'm really saying is that you get what you pay for.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Oct 4, 09, 18:45 / #
OsiedleRuda: gas/electric Gas, water etc. are really expensive here in PL. OsiedleRuda: transport City buses etc. are extremely cheap compared to Western Europe. The first time I paid 1.40 zl (if not a student about 2.50 zl) for a 30 minutes bus-ride in Wawa I thought it was a joke.

esekThreads: 5 Posts: 269 Joined: Jun 3, 08	Edited by: esek Oct 4, 09, 18:45 / #
The weather is better in Poland and not everyone want to live in such busy city like London :D If someone makes 5,5k pln per month in Poland he can save easily say 2k pln ( as i said 1800 for flat and say ~1500 for food/car/pubs etc per month ). It means you can save ~36% of your salary per month. How much will you save in London? I'm not telling that London is bad... but I'm afraid that your salary isn't much better for London's conditions than 8k pln brutto for Polish. SzwedwPolsce: The first time I paid 1.40 zl (if not a student about 2.50 zl) for a 30 minutes bus ride in Wawa I thought it was a joke. I was paying about 100zl in Warsaw for a travel card which was valid for 3 months - all buses, trains, night communication, metro included :)

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Oct 4, 09, 18:51 / #
esek: I was paying about 100zl in Warsaw for a traver card which was valid for 3 months - all buses, trains, night communication, metro included :) If you go to Western Europe and say this, no one will ever believe you.¨ That's 33 zl per month. In Sweden I payed about 275 zl per month. City transport is extremely cheap in PL.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Oct 4, 09, 18:56 / #
OsiedleRuda: I also disagree that the cost of living in the UK is so different to the cost of living in Poland - your quote of 1800 PLN is around what you would pay for a smallish flat or house round here (£400-425/month) and you would get closer to 60m/sq for the price here, as well a garden (which you wouldn't get in a Polish apartment block). Which sink estate would that be in? You can get a nice flat in Poznan in a very nice area for 1800PLN a month. You're not going to get anything but a grimy inner city location for that in the UK.