BEWARE when coming over UK

uk has serious problems with himself this is why he posts his pics, he announces that he is muslim, he attacks. He is poor pathetic lonely cry baby who wants attention and unfortunately he gets what he wants (from me too). But this is my last post. It was a mistake to talk to him. DO NOT FEED TROLLS.

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Reason cuz you have nothing to say. You finally understand why we are angry with poles like you

you are always having to say something to every topic...to me this is trolling.

Funny you mention this. In the US I see documentaries about how muslims are trying to seperate themselves from society in the UK. I've never once heard anything having to do with the PL abusing the system in the UK or any other negative reports. If it was such a big issue at least the BBC would report something on it.

I don't see you on the news protesting.. or anyone else for that matter. Pff....Proves you're just all talk. So, why don't you just run along.

Well, there are clever people and not so clever people in the UK, just as there are anywhere else.

Mr Uk is presumably one of the less clever people, who understands nothing about economics, skill shortages, demographic balance or the principles of European free trade and movement of labour.

For a start, the Poles are NOT foreigners, but fellow european citizens who come from a member country. An English person is just as free to go to Holland, Italy, Germany or Spain (for example), and in the case of Spain, many people in the UK do just that in large numbers.

Many of the Poles with whom I come into contact, work at night, as I do. I don't suppose they actually enjoy working nights when they are young, but they do it and they work well.

Compare this to the vast pool of moronic, drug-addicted, alcoholic reprobates who skulk around England's green and pleasant land by day, and thieve by night, (when it isn't raining or too cold for them), and I would personally replace them all with central and eastern europeans, who know how to behave, know how to be polite and can usually be trusted.

If you want to know which people "drain the health-service and the benefits system," then you need look no further than the awful yobs who blight the housing estates in the inner-city areas, among whom many central and eatern europeans unfortunately find themselves.

If there is ONE good thing which might emerge from this, it may be the fact that the migrants can teach the yobs of the UK how to be proper human beings, and not how to be benefit scroungers and addicts.

Dulciana......whilst I can support and understand your points...its never quite as simple or straight forward as everyone would like!

There ALWAYS was an underbelly of social miscreants in UK, from as far back as time immemorial......famous old prints of Gin Lane in the East end of London, in the 1700s where drinking dens where so prevalent........alcohol and a flagrant attitude towards authority were the order of the day!

Again....no country is prefect...the system the UK has is their system......NOT the EUs or Polands........if this is how the population chooses to deal with its own cretins...so be it......in other words...they may be bast*rds, but at least they are OUR bast*rds.....!!!!.....

You must remember.......as least in my eyes that the class system is alive and well in the UK...perhaps never to be broken down or to dissappear!

EVERY system has its scroungers and misusers, even Poland.........c'est la vie!

the polish here, tend to sleep in a bungalow with 20 people. they work shifts of 8 hours in most cases. one group works in the morning, one group works in the evening. they pay a small amount of rent. they are almost the half cheaper as I am.

me? I'm by myself. I'm not allowed to be living in a bungalow with 20 people. I pay more rent, and I'm willing to work longer but this kind of competition just isn't fair anymore. and I tend to work on saturdays and sundays too when it's possible.



actually, most of them are probably just guys like me. some of you guys are pretty full of yourself and seem to think that the english and the dutch are all too spoiled and too lazy etc, but most of these jobless youngsters are very much like me, they want to work hard and long to get somewhere, but can't really get a long term job anywhere because of the cheap personel from east europe.

many of my polish friends here - yes, I have friends ;p - know how hard I work, and they all make more money than I do, but they're doing the exact same jobs.

look, I don't blame the polish, bulgarian and whatnot for wanting to make more money, but come on, don't piss a hard working guy off with statements like these.

and all the good advice? keep it. I know I should ''compete'' and go to school. but hey, what if you work your ass off and still can't make enough to actually do school? you all seem to talk about ''not so clever'' people. well, you're talking about me too. and I can assure you I'm not stupid, not an alcoholic, addict or a scrounger.

and ''you can go to spain too'' yeah? problem is boys and girls, polish come working here, they make more than enough to live an easy life in poland, but if I go to poland to work there, I won't even make enough to pay my groceries and basic insurance here. see, england and hollland are pretty much the most expensive coutries too live in. young people like me have no ''let's make more money in another country than we can here'' option.

again, it's easy for you to talk. but it's unfair. what pisses me off is you talk about my people like that, but reality is that you don't know our side of the story.

''wellfare has dropped'' what they mean is, we refuse to give someone wellfare if he or she didn't work for 9 months straight.

well, you can't work for 9 months straight when all you can do is temporary jobs. and I'm willing to bet it's not exactly fair in england either.

anyway, I just want to say I have sympathy for both sides. just look at the bigger picture before you insult people you know nothing about.

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and you can trust me, I know enough polish youths to know better than that. I know they don't really behave themselves any better than any other guy or girl from the other countries.

personally, I hope everything will turn out to be better for poland now they've joined the eu, and I don't really have any problems with the polish personally, but I do think it'll be for the best if you all found a job in your own country? - I know bussiness is crap over there at the moment, but I think that'll change some day. -

but will someone atleast agree with me that most companies in our countries - and I mean construction, assembling, mechanical and agricultural work seem to automatically dismiss the option of taking their ''own'' before taking a foreigner?

yes, you are a foreigner. I do wish you a job too, but keep it fair. we need jobs aswell. not really blaming anyone, but I'm just not happy with this situation really.

yeah sorry, I don't mean to sound harsh. but reality bites sometimes.

wow, never heard of that. But why don't you just stop reading my post, if you are not interested. So we can both use the forum and not get on each others nerves.

Trolling............really Miranda?........yes I agree its best to ignore...but sometimes, something really....really.....gets on your nerves and you have to say something.....!!

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.....is a well worn internet message board chant!!!!

your....dots...are................really......getting....................on..............my......................nerves.



really, are those dots necessary?



yup. obviously.

Arien, just for you, no more dots.

Well for this post anyways, lol

Have you sought counselling?

Not able to sleep at night?

If not, not really getting on your nerves!

what did you do guys - it's all streched out

no I am not trolling and I am relly offended by that opinion

no....no....Miranda....you're not trolling....UK_....is........ok....clear?

it's clear but that person gets really on my nerves by saying it, besides - why people like that are hiding - if there is a problem tell me. I try to post my opinions without trying to offend anybody, but I can see that teh mere fact of posting does not go well with somebody.
Well, I am not going to apologize for who I am - as my good firend says in situations like that.
Maybe that person does not have an opinion and is simply envious. OK - that's not my problem.

thank you.



awww.



yup. but the voices in my head still say I'll have to defeat you in a match of online poker to save the world from an alien invasion.



not really no. I'm thinking about you all night and all week. will you marry me?!



oooooh..

and yeah, I'm totally dead serious here.

and I apologise for stretching the thread. and miranda, your opinions are formulated in a decent way, and an opinion shouldn't normally offend anyone, unless I've been typing it.

@ frank: just playing with you.

Those who are there were not happy in Poland and because in fact a little has changed according to recent reports 80% are not coming back and I say that is good because we have still way too high unemployment and there is just no work for these people back at home. Im happy with this situation that they can work and just make normal living abroad.

I thought every EU member is allowed to live anywhere in EU and now all EU including UK is new home for Polish. You just have to accept that or stay unhappy forever .

where are you residing Arien?

Play is gud, A!!

I'll be honest, I've been smoking weed.



hey, I'm happy for them too. but you still have an invalid point. why? poland has a shortage of construction workers to begin with, and there is work if people actually want to do the work. in poland, some - not all! - people refuse to do agricultural work for and people from ukraine are taking over these jobs?

don't ask me to post articles from polish newspapers and statistics, you already know. and your unemployment rate isn't 80% dear.



I already accepted it. just trying to make you see my side of the story.



in holland, but that'll probably change. my reasons for posting here is because I also have worked with youths from the uk. and I hear and see a lot of things which you don't hear in the news.

but I can predict a wave of extreme right winged politics if no one actually acknowledges that we all have a problem, wether we are polish or whatever.

that's my point. not if the polish are right, or the english or the dutch.

there's something dirty going on alright. and to ola, next year our boarders will go open to hungarian, czech and bulgarian people too.

and they're even cheaper than the polish, so you don't have to be einstein to know what will happen to the polish? I think the majority of them will probably have to return home aswell.

anyway, it's not much different in the uk. I guess I'm hoping for intelligent politicians in brussel who think long term instead of fat pockets.

everyone deserves a chance in my world. so don't take this as a ''you're not welcome'' type of posting.

Oh, so you're all mellowed out Arien?????

LOL!!!!!

Well, as a comparator, of all the Irish who emigrated to the USA over the decades, only 6% ever returned to live in Ireland, but, from Italy, 56% returned.......quite a difference!

Don't ask me why though!

No-one knows how many will return and for what reason, all we do know is that joining the EU has allowed the migrant workers from the new countries to avail of much higher paid work than what was available back home...........it won't last for ever, things will change, but at least they got off their butts and tried to improve their lives......therefore you can't berate them for doing that.

Whether they moved inside Poland or inside the EU, is now immaterial....I hope they got as much from the migration as did their new EU neighbours!

not mellowed out. more like joking again. I don't smoke weed.

a lot of that is true. but hey, america was quite big and booming in those times. a lot of space too. in italy, and most european countries, there isn't that much room for economical growth anymore.

even america's economy is showing a large recession?

this migration thing for money isn't the next best thing, and I hope people will do something about it so it works out for everyone.

I just got pissed because I see youths doing fu.ck all and they defo want and need the work. and it's the same in england, belgium and france.

but hey, what can we do? just shake hands, agree politics suck and get happily drunk together.

Are they? I really doubt, Bulgarians maybe but not so sure. Poland has still the highest unemployment in EU. People will not come back to sit doing nothing back at home. They will stay imo. And that is better for them and for those who stayed in the country.

As for Ukraininans working in Poland there are not many coming, you cant work for 800 zlotys doing agricultural work and make normal living not mentioning savings. Ukrainians will not come to work for 800-1000 zlotys, so there will be shortage of low skilled workers and it is not going to change because of wages.

For the sake of balance and a degree of "solidarnosk" with the grafters of this world, I accept that some of my comments could be construed as lacking understanding. Point taken, but not entirely.

As for knowing "our side of the story" I don't think you could get much wider of the mark, because I do. In fact, I am in a fairly unique position, in that I have worked at the bottom of the ladder, educated myself, went to uni, qualified, worked my way up to senior management and now....wait for it....drive a truck because I got fed up with companies closing or going bust, and I like trucks.

If I were to work myself to an early grave, I could pull £30,000 a year, but as it is, I manage about £25,000 a year, plus a bit of music, a bit of writing and other odd bits here and there. (I've also written a novel, as yet unpublished....but working on it).

The interesting thing is, anyone can drive a truck if they can raise about £1,000 to get the licence.

The problems always occur at the bottom end of the jobs market, and I absolutely accept that many, many people can never aspire to anything better. There is no sin in that, and yes, there has to be a safety net for people in that situation.

I also accept that there are unscrupulous employers and agencies who will exploit migrant workers and pay them nothing more than minimum wage, and often less, quite illegally. Elsewhere, I have mentioned this problem, and warned people about it. The fact is, there IS a minimum wage, which should apply equally across the board, and there should NOT be the situation in which a Polish worker can undercut an English worker, but it happens, as we know.

However, going back to the "yob culture" thing, there is no doubt in my mind that there is a benefit culture in the UK, and it is most exploited by quite a substantial number of addicted, aimless or criminal classes....sometimes all three at the same time. I know some of the next generation....kids around 14 and 15, who are just like the adults with whom they live or come into contact.

Sadly, many of these youths approach the workplace with criminal records as long as their arm, and no employer will take the risk of employing them; knowing that they would probably be off to jail a few weeks after being set on to work. Apart from that, what employer would want kids with a drug habit, when they are surrounded by dangerous machinery or other risks? Would you want to leave your belongings lying around, knowing that the kid they've just set on is a well known thief with a record?

That is the nature of the problem, and whilst I accept that I may have generalised, I think it would be difficult to disprove.

I'm quite sure there are some especially horrible Polish people, but fortunately, I have yet to bump into them in the workplace.

The whole of Europe has a labour-market problem and an unemployment problem, but the UK fares better tha most, possibly because of an aggressive pursuit of business regeneration and a generous benefits system which enables us to have a flexible work-force.

This is very much the twin result of communist collapse on the one hand, where full-employment was always the aim, and on the other, the side effect to globalisation, as industry drifts towards the Far East and India; making it much more difficult for workers to find ordinary jobs outisde the retail or warehousing sectors.

Lastly, I would admit that I was being a little provocative, but that was my attempt to redress the lurid nonsense uttered by Mr UK, which seemed to be almost drawn from the utterances of the BNP extreme-right wing.