BEWARE when coming over UK

You better tell all the Hungarians who have been living and working here [UK] illegally for the last 2 years then, they thought they were legal and so did I, there’s ‘gut feeling’ and reasoned debate, and a little knowledge is always a dangerous thing

2004: Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia all joined the EU

ETA: It’s Bulgaria and Romania that join next year, but the UK government has placed some pointless restrictions to them working in the UK- they can’t stop them visiting the UK, so it’s my guess is many will be forced to work illegally, which wont do revenues [from income tax], people working in the UK, or responsible businesses any good will it?

I resigned my membership of the Labour Party [governing political party in UK] over this issue.

I'm not taking anything away from you but that was some time ago. today, it's a little different. you can't actually work your way up anymore, because you can't actually start somewhere.

but maybe you can tell me what a guy like me is supposed to do then? we have three degrees here in my field of work and I have both the first and the second and the additional safety courses which means I'm allowed to perform inspections on installations too. - I have decent qualifications if you ask me. -

but, I lost my driving license last year due to a new point system which only applies to people between 18 and 25. - nothing serious, you drive 5km too hard 3 times in a period of 2 years and you lose your license. -

so I can't drive a car at the moment so I can't do the work I'm supposed to be doing. so I got fired and have no right on a benefit because it was my fault in the first place that I lost my job.

anyway, here I am, forced to take a temporary job - I live in the middle of nowhere, agricultural region here. - to pay for everything but I don't make enough to save. everytime I get fired because the jobs are temporary, and everytime I encounter employers who rather take foreigners for a number of reasons. so inbetween the jobs I get no wellfare, and my savings drop below zero.

not because I'm stupid, because I actually have good qualifications for a good job. now, I'm happy I was finally able to save enough to switch appartments, so I get more opportunities, but I'll keep saying the competition is unfair, and that there are too much employers who have a lot of unfounded criticism and prejudice towards their ''own'' working class. but in reality, we all know it comes down to one thing: which is money.

and who says we're all thieves with a record aslong as our arms? statistics prove quite different. it just makes me mad sometimes when people don't know what's going on in their own countries, because most of them - according from what I see and hear. - really don't. I hear all types of comments aimed at people such as myself, and I know a lot of young people are sleeping rough or resort to selling drugs or other types of activities not to be proud of.

it's just a shame people like you seem to think it's the same for them as it was a while back for you. and that it is all their fault. - everyone can make a mistake though. - because I know better than that.



it's a fact. and yeah, I have seen their payrolls for myself.

true, but some of these countries still have restrictions. this year, our boarder will open to polish. next year, probably the rest.

which is bad considering how ''big'' holland is compared to countries like poland. I may sound unfriendly to polish readers and I understand their position just aswell, but it's the truth, we can't ever help the rest of the world to a job here.

there will be a point where people are going to yell ugly things at eachother, and for some I can't even say I blame them.

sorry.

So you agree wit UK who calls us ******* poles?

You're not serious!!......that fascist like?.......no leeway...no re-education first?

Yes....A...the impact has been at the low end of the wage scale, but its not the fault of migrants who are now entitled to moving and working elsewhere, to improve their own lives.

The blame must lie at the door of a never ending line of immoral employers.....mostly in the private sector...who will humiliate and do down their own people, as well as taking advantage of new immigrants, but this has been going on for decades, not new!

I really cant understand British who are complaining, you really should live in poorer country for a while to see how lucky you are that you were born on Isles.

I just cant see your point sorry .

woah. you got me totally wrong there. no, I do not. I agree with some people who want a job in their own country if there are jobs, and I agree with some people who think it's not really fair the way things are going now.

just saying I can - partially! - understand the reason why some people get frustrated.

arien. i can understand why you got angry about what dulciana said but just to some extent.
i know it is not fair to compare polish people,say,in a factory in the uk,to their british partners.why?because a lot of young poles in the uk are well educated ,intelligent,a lot of them university graduates ect.english factory workers?well i am still to meet an english univeristy graduate in my factory.so what's the point in comparing those 2 different group of people?
we would have to compare REAL polish FACTORY workers with english FACTORY workers.i bet that they are pretty the same.
however i don't understand why you just copy and paste this **** about 20 poles living together in one house?this is rubbish!
the only people who i know to live in a big group in one house are those who are employed by employment agencies and it is uncommon.and guess what?those people don't save money because of that.they are charged 65£ for a BED and live 3 in each room.do you think it's their choice?
those who find a place on their own are replaced very quickly by others and the story continious.who's faul is it?all the poles(i know a lot!!!) i know live on their own renting a room or a flat/house some share flats with others (usually a couple+ another couple).
i reckon that this is a common practice among the brits too.what's wrong about that?

I'm not really angry about what she said, but it's because more and more people say such things! also, I'm not here for understandment, I merely got sick of that tone about our potential working class. look, I have been reading too you know, and I've seen a lot of polish posters who seem to have the idea we're all rich and spoiled over here. so all I did
was making it very clear it isn't like that at all.



I wasn't trying to make any comparissons, but thank you for perfectly illustrating my point once again. and if you're a smart fellow, you know exactly what I mean.



yup, just don't underestimate guys like me.



you should know that's everyday reality, not copy and pasted. rubbish? no. I just illustrated my point.

what you all seem to miss here is one thing, I'm not blaming anyone, not attacking the polish, not attacking the english.

just saying that the way things are going now isn't the right way. people get undercut, the competition is unfair.

if it's fair, and all people get payed the same, then you won't hear me.



people get employed by employment agencies and I can tell you it's very common.



no it's not their choice. but do you think 65 pound is a lot??? okay, you share a room with 3 or 4 people but ask them if they want to pay full rent? - I'm sure they will all say no and that's very understandable too! - I pay uhm... 800 euro? so don't be silly, they do save more money, which is not my problem at all!!! I just used that as an example to illustrate that people like me CAN'T do such things, and get PAYED the SAME as them.

hello? unfair?



rafik, nice try. I know some of the polish rent their own spaces, but that's not really where people like me have a problem with it. my point and all I'm saying is. everyone needs to get paid equal in the eu. so employers will treat everyone equally, and not dismiss people on how much more they cost.

to do any different would be unfair. my point, and you can discuss this untill the next millenium but I know I have a point. - and you have a point too -

czy pan rozumie?

I challenge you, because I have been to poland and I agree some regions are poor. but I know there are many polish who make way more money than me and have way more things to do. look, not being jealous. but just don't tell a former street rat he's so lucky to be born anywhere.

you know what's so funny? all I'm doing is saying things should be reasonably fair. competition on the job market, pay, extra hours. etc. that would be better for all of us you know.

it surprised me you all took it like an attack, I'm all for legal jobs and equality people, so that's all really. sorry if I came across like.. hehe.. like someone else.

I'm not a "she" thank you very much!

The word 'Dulciana' is that of an organ-stop, and I play the organ. (Organi......my Polish is improving in leaps and bounds!)

To the person who says that they have never met a graduate on the shop-floor, I'm a grdauate truck-driver........by choice......but I haven't always done that.

przepraszam!

I don't really look too much at details, and your name struck me as a girl's name, so excuse my french.

and I think being a truck driver while you could be a manager or something like that is very rock 'n roll.

i wasn't referring to you.i meant that the english university graduates never work in factories as production operatives but usually go much higher(managment ect).most of the people who work on a line are uneducated so compering them to the poles in such a factory,who mostly are young,open-minded,educated and who now that the only way up is to work harder than others, is not fair and doesn't make any sense.
i do apologize for calling you"she". dulciana sounds like a girl's name

dulciana is a girl's name which perhaps could be translated something along the lines of sweet-one...

it also has something to do with organs of the musical variety... i am lead to believe...

right.this was my point too.

no problem.this was exactly what i meant.

this is unrealistic.some people get 5.35£/hour here others 9£/hour but belive me i know a lot of polish people in the uk and can tell you they get paid exactly the same money as the english workers.

it is a lot.it is even worse if it's a couple.
65£+65£ a week gives you 130£ times four=520£ a month just for a room. i thin it is about 700 euro.
why not.if you are single,rent a room and you also can save a lot of money.

not some, arien-most of them.
it used to be like that in 2004 when people started coming to the uk but the situation has changed dramaticly in the last 2 years.i guess i know over hundred polish people here and ALL of them rent their own rooms/flats/houses.some of this people share their places with others but usually it's 4 people in a 2 bedroom flat/house.

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Sadly, I've had to take an enormous drop in income in order to drive a truck, but by making economies, I find I can live on £30K per year. The Jaguar just had to go!

rooms in holland? if you're a student, a prostitute or an illegal, then okay, that might work. for me? in this region? nope, no rooms for available for a dutch working fellow. so I have to rent an appartment. cheapest appartments in this area? I think 600. and that's if you're lucky, because you'll have to react on the housemarket's and coorporates offer, and you get points for that, which will eventually help you to a house, but for the most part you'll have to wait and wait and wait.



well, maybe in the uk. and I'll let you in on a secret, I actually live between the polish nd ukranian.. hundreds. so okay, maybe you have a point too.

I'm just saying I never met a polish student who worked harder than me. this is not a bad thing, since students from all nationalities aren't used to the work.

just don't tell me a polish girl of 18 years old at a farm works harder than an ex-military who did nothing but hard work. this is not meant as an insult to girls, or the polish, but come on, don't give me that: ''polish work harder'' line. some might work harder. just remember there are actuall dutch people too who are used to 80 hours a week.

so yeah, I want equal chances for everyone. if they would look at each individual's assets and qualities, then the competition wouldn't bother me. and I wouldn't complain. because then it would be fair.

which is what I was trying to tell, if it's fair, it's fair. and then you won't hear me.

and I have also passed my friend jacek his rent for a week, - he got short of money - which was 50 euro. slept in that bungalow too after a party. anyway, that is 200 euro a month. which is nothing, not even for a room. - considering dutch students pay 300 to 400 euro normally -

so don't have to tell me anything about that, I know all about the bussiness going on in my own country, otherwise I wouldn't be saying things like that. and okay, maybe it's very different in the uk, and I wasn't really bothered about the rent thing. I wish them all the most cheapest place to stay really. would be nice if all of the eu would stick to the same type of rules. would be a lot fairer on everyone.

anyway, I'm going to shut up. it's been an interesting discussion.

ok,o we were talking about 2 different situations in 2 different countries.

i've never said that.if you read my previous posts it is quite the opposite.
i never said that and do NOT agree with that.it is generalizing.
the only thing got pissed of about is what you said about polish people living like rats in one house.it may happen in holland(where we probably can't work legally and thus earning less money) but not in the uk(or at least it is uncommon).that's it

If you come to England expecting to be treated like a slave then you will be. If you tell people you dont have much money then they will exploit you not help you.

England is a very competitive country, If you come here with initiative, charisma and the right skills then you will land yourself a good job.

If your going for **** jobs such as cleaning toilets or working in warehouses you will always be given crap 3rd world pay. It's always been that way in England and it always will. My advice is get some courage together and apply for the better jobs. If you want to get a job you have to impress the boss, make him want you there.

Lee-UK, this is one of the best piece of advice in this thread. Poles should read it twice or put on their refrigerators.

yup - i will agree with that too... a little confidence and a little courage will go along way...

Lee-Uk- completely agree with you.

Good advice. Respect yourself and you shall be respected.

we were not given an easy life on a plate ,in the past we have suffered and our ancestors fought for a better future for us ,but no you lot just up sticks and come to the pissin uk and undo all the hard work our ancestors did ,by taking low paid jobs working all hours defying all health and safety laws . piss off back to poland and do something about your own country ,the majority dont want you here.

dont forget that our soldiers died fighting for your country 60 years ago and then you sold us.

Freddy - aren't you one of the trolls???

no the bnp have alot of african supporters ,they consider themselves british and have integerated well over the years ,even they are fed up with immigration ,i know quite few black bnp supporters ,the bnp is not just about black or white its about our future and protecting our heritage and stopping immigration.so nothey wont send all the blacks back the majority were born here and are british

nice freddy!!!!!!!!!! i like that