Black American Living In Poland

Race mixing is good. Just look at Jennifer Lopez a--

So here you are saying that you have no idea where I "get" my ideas. If you have no idea where I get them from how can you wholly give an informed opinion of my ideas. I would respect someone much more if they could explain why I believe certain things and why I am wrong then what you have to offer, which isn't much.

Your reply really makes no point about my US citizenship claim that it is being eroded due to multiracialism. The fact that you may be happy with your "group", or that people on this forum may be obsessed with race has nothing to do with my claim.



You are partly right, depending on the situation. If the German runs into a random Pole and immediately believes the Pole is a thief then that would be foolish and an incorrect use of a stereotype. If the German says to himself "this Pole is more likely to be a thief then another German and I should be more on guard", then that would be correct use of a stereotype. More on guard does not mean he should not trust the Pole. It means the burden of proof for trustworthiness rests on the Pole. This does not unduly burden either party. It actually benefits both parties as the German minimizes his risk and the Pole who is indeed trustworthy does not have to alter his behavior much, since he is indeed trustworthy.

If the German government were to use a the stereotype to stop all Polish immigration in an effort to lower robberies, then this would not be foolish in as much as we are talking about the rate of robberies. Robberies per capita would drop. In the process the benefits of trustworthy Poles would be lost but the goal of lowering robbery rates was achieved.

It depends on the application of the stereotype whether it is a foolish or not.



So here you are proving my point about the danger of race. You are a Hispanic calling for the banning of a Polish person on a Polish forum. You are also saying you know what is better for a country that you have no racial or ethnic ties to. Immediately we see the conflict that arises from race and real consequences as a result.
It is easy to call for me to banned isn't it? You have no real constructive responses or refutations of my arguments so you use a few ad hominem attacks and try and sweep the issue under the rug.

You're right. This is your forum. I'm just a subhuman intruder. Sorry for that. Since we're not fully human but a subrace, its easy to make these types of mistakes.

I never realized how touchy the race thing is with SOME Polish people. Oh well to each his own.

You sound reasonable Epicurus unlike Matek or Bojownik who are truly fanatical nazi zealots. Oh I forgot TBird. Its sad when 2 black men want to go to Poland and this board erupts in racial rhetoric. I never realized this was such a problem when I met those 2 Polish businessmen years ago and they invited me to Poland.

I never called you any names nor used such words as subhuman intruder. YOU are using those words.
Read this before you continue with any replies, either on this forum or anywhere else.
nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

I know what logical fallacies are. I told some here they were using ad hominems and they accused me of using a non-Emglish word, LOL. You don't use sarcasm where you come from. I was trying to be sarcastic.

Then why commit the most basic of them if you understand them? I commit some myself I'm sure, and anyone who can point mine out will earn a measure of respect from me. But I try to refrain from the most obvious ones.
So why not just dissect my views and arguments, show how illogical they are with some solid arguments of your own and be done with it ? Why waste your time on fallacies?

so as i was saying... ad hominem tu quoque...

so epi... keyboard jammed...?

James, Congradulations.

I hope you are reading/making your own assupmtions .

I am sure there are radicals everywhere, Why Poland would get caught up in this
after the war is beyond me, I dont understand what would make these
younger generations change knowing what their grandparents went through
and the horrors they encountered!!

To me it is a sick way of thinking, people were taken to their deaths because they
were not german.
Educated, lawyers, doctors and Even Priests. those who managed to get away
were lucky , I dont think I need to say anymore as I am sure many have stories
of their families sufferings.

MY thoughts are, if I was a politician in poland, I would allow those peaceful
nationalities into the country, anyone who causes problems will face
high fines and jail time, anyone who comes there with same issues would also
face high fines and jail time and would be deported immediately.




so why are they like this, after all that happened. I dont know, I would love to
hear why myself, its hard for me to understand why someone would want to
do that and throw their lifes away over it. life is about survival,. but does
survival mean life in Prison?

so , hopefully , you have visited Poland yourself, and seen first hand how people
would be, my thoughts are, if it appears to be to unsafe for you to start a family
then go somewhere that is more tolerant to interacial marriages. you want
happiness, not problems.

James, I'm going to be honest with you. I wouldn't want to live around people who are different from me. This being strivtly for security reasons. I'm hispanic. Would you want to stand out that much in a purely white country which has no experience with blacks? Have you read some of the racist commentaries here?

There are some hard core racist Poles. I didn't think that was possible since they suffered so much under Hitler's regime. I was in for a rude awakening. Some of these people on this forum have called me a subhuman. What do you think they will call you?

I'm even rethinking about visiting Poland. I don't need that racist **** treatment. I thought racism was IMPOSSIBLE for poles. I was wrong.

Why go through that pain? Bring her to America where you won't have those problems. If you go to live in Poland, you are at their mercy with no hope. I read somewhere here where there was a racist rally in Poland and nobody condemned it publicly. Think about this before you make that fateful mistake. I wouldn't.

From one minority to another, don't do it.

You claimed I was a hypocritical idiot. Why would you care what hypocritical idiots have to say about the claims you make?

Maybe I'll forgo Poland altogether and go to Spain where I'll be wholly accepted and I speak the language. There are millions of Spaniards that look like me as I've been told. No racist problem over there for me! So James, my brotha, take the path of least resistance.

geez mate... you seemed pretty interested earlier... or did you all of a sudden notice the basic error you made a sneek of quietly with your tail between you legs hoping noone else would notice...

it seems you have spent to long in america mate and developed the laughable habit of turning up on forums and making outlandish posts... only to get upset when people pull you up on it...

you remain, a hypocritical pillock...

Why don't you describe in detail what basic error I made, why it is an error, and what kind of precautions can be taken to avoid it in the future. Then, I'm sure you will discuss a few things I missed in the argument which led me astray. I'm giving you an opportunity to educate me. The question is, will you take it?

whilst i resisted the temptation to call you ignorant, there wis a fallacy in your argument which was clearly hypocritical... the claims you make in the name of polish people are not consistent with their actions... ad hominem tu quoque...

epicurus, a pole, does not want emigrants coming to his homeland, but how can this be acceptable if poles themselves are avid immigrants...

epicurus: "based on the arguments i have presented, there is a strong case for not allowing emigration in to poland."

BW: "but when there has been an overwhelming spate of polish immigration into the uk over the space of two short years, you are a hypocrite for saying this!"




pot kettle black... people glasshouses stones... tu quoque... you too mate... you also...

You have a horrible complex, with your attitude you are not welcome to Poland, go cause trouble somewhere else.

I don't really mind being called ignorant as long as it is true and the person calling me ignorant provides the knowledge I am missing. Now, I am going to call you ignorant.

Here’s my claim:
You are committing the "Tu quoque" fallacy, not me. Now, let that sink in for a minute.

The "Tu quoque" fallacy actually protects the hypocrite from having his argument invalidated based on that hypocrisy. So, not only do you commit the very fallacy you accuse of me of, you also commit blatant red herring fallacy (which of course I'll graciously point out to you).

So, let's begin...

The knowledge you are missing is to whom the fallacy of "Tu quoque" applies. It applies to you.

Let's take a look at what this fallacy is about:
It is a form of asserting or implying that argument Q is incorrect because proponent of Argument Q also commits Q.

Proponent makes argument Q.
Proponent is also guilty of committing Q.
Therefore, Q is dismissed.

Let’s discuss the variables as they apply to our discussion:
You have expressed that I speak for "Polish people" in a later reply. I assume you also saw things this way when you made your initial accusation. Therefore, proponent of argument Q is “Polish People”. Argument Q will be the argument against immigration of non-whites into Poland. For things to make sense we will have to condense that into an argument against immigration in general.

The breakdown:
Polish People make argument Q
Polish People commit Q
Therefore, Q is dismissed.

Now let’s take a look at your accusations again:

AND

You are dismissing the argument. And you are doing this based on what? The hypocrisy of the proponent of the argument.

Now let’s take a look at the definition of "Tu quoque" again:
It is a form of asserting or implying that argument Q is incorrect because proponent of Argument Q also commits Q.

I believe this is where you get on you knees and bow before a superior intellect. I’m just kidding, I’m humble. Really, I am.

Besides being confused about the "Tu quoque" fallacy, here’s where you went wrong:
Two of your sub-premises are based on assumptions:

First, I have never claimed I speak for polish people. I never said Polish people do not want blacks in Poland. I said I do not want blacks in Poland. In addition I have claimed that many Poles do not share my views. Your accusation is based on an assumed premise.

Second, I have never made claims as to my position on emigration out of Poland. You assumed I supported it.

Red Herring:


This is a red herring.
# Topic A is under discussion.
# Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic .
# Topic A is abandoned.

Immigration into Poland is Topic A. Immigration to England is Topic B. You want me to abandon Topic A. Strictly speaking, the immigration into Poland by blacks is not relevant to immigration of Poles into England.


You have me mixed up with someone else. I did not say this.


I did enjoy this, gave me a good laugh and an opportunity to sharpen my understanding of the "Tu quoque" fallacy. Cheerio!

i was never good at mathematics, algebra in particular.

can you transpose please?

Jose you should vist Africa. >_>


lol ok all jokes aside, I hear alot from spainish people that they take being called a latino as a insult. I don't know if you will have much luck there. Everyone is racist one way or another.

Best way to avoid raiscm is to ignore it. Otherwise you're just feeding the fire y'know?

Tuchey bubba.

He is right.

I dont think anyone should say anything when they know people immigrate
to find better then what they had. at the moment Polish are accused of
more crime, stealing etc.

as for the Genetics thing. now that is just pulling straws out of the hat to find
ways to knock down someones nation.

Bubba. Hat's off to ya. you have a major valid point.

I suggest you read all of Post #47. His "major valid point" is a fallacy of argument. I know you can do better Patrycja, just use a little more critical thinking and for once, just once put aside your desire for an idealistic and Utopian world. It would also be a good idea to read all of the replies before you make a post as you would realize the point he makes is also based on assumptions about my argument.

It's not transposable.

a layman definition, if possible?

First of all, lets not make assumptions on me either. I want whats best for each
nation of people and what works. you have no clue or even idea what I want
so maybe your assumptions are off track!

Epicurious,

he pointed out that while you are saying you dont want any more immigrants
in poland and wouldnt want anyone there that is genetically made for stealing
same is going on in UK , that many are very upset at the fact that so many
polish had immigrated and the crime rate is gone up.

yes Bubba has a valid point against your claim. no one wants to step on
anyones toes here, but the truth is, its the same problem different country!

I dont think Poles who immigrate should be treated badly just as I dont think
any other nation who immigrates to another country to find work should be
but it is people like you who cause the trouble. everyone moves abroad to
find better.

anyway, pointless as it is to sit here and argue this point, because there are so
many different views. and each has his own personal feelings which are
unchangeable right or wrong , its never ending cycle.

no one wins , no one moves forward.

I like the term latino. It makes me feel like I am an elite member of the Roman Empire. My bad, the Roman Empire is defunct, LOL.

All the logical fallacies can be summed up in one sentence. Do you care to know what that is?

I'm even rethinking about visiting Poland. I don't need that racist **** treatment. I thought racism was IMPOSSIBLE for poles. I was wrong.

Why go through that pain? Bring her to America where you won't have those problems. If you go to live in Poland, you are at their mercy with no hope. I read somewhere here where there was a racist rally in Poland and nobody condemned it publicly. Think about this before you make that fateful mistake. I wouldn't.

Josecitomadera,

Isn't it prejudice?

Racists are everywhere.What about UK with its "super political correctness" "mulitculture" - Since I moved here there were quite a few racists murders here. yes murders not racist rally but senseless, aggresive MURDERS.

From my short visit in I USA I aslo nticed that it is quite much racism there.... so sorry what is worst in Poland?

This is for Epicurus, you can write all the hate you want but i will guarantee you thing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in TEN years time there will be more than 100,000 thousand mixed race children who have with a polish mother and at least few thousands polish guy with a black woman , this being in UK alone and there is no f**king thing you gonna can do about that. its about high time you travelled to africa and see how accomodating people are and nice weather and thats where me and my polish wife and she can have all the tan she wants and get many kids as i can. so you can get a life and stop blaming other races for your failures. you mothf**king tw*t.

Classy, really classy. Is this also how you respond to your Polish wife when she says something you do not agree with? Maybe you stomp your feet and hold your breath too?