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And one more thing. This lack of evidence is basically crucial in the whole idea of faith. I believe that the whole life is just a huge test. What would be the purpose of this test if we already knew the answer to the questions?

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Huegel, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

And one oe from father Tischner : “Wiara jest w gruncie rzeczy smutną koniecznością. Gdybyśmy mogli mieć wiedzę, nie potrzebowalibyśmy mieć wiary. Rzecz w tym, że nie możemy mieć wiedzy. Są rzeczy, które przerastają możliwości ludzkiego rozumu. Jest światło, które oślepia. Tak jest z Bogiem.”

Translation: „ Faith is basically a sad must. If we could have the knowledge, we wouldn’t need to have faith. The point is that we can’t have the knowledge. There are things that overgrow the capabilities of human mind. There is a light that blinds. This is the case with God.”




I guess religious people in general have a reputation for not making much sense when talking about Christ. I can see why actually.

I'm not annoyed.

I agree with most of what you wrote, except the last part only because I don't think anyone on this forum is so gullible and vulnerable that they would drop their beliefs to go along with what someone on here says about religion. Now in the real world, I understand your point. Personally, I don't care for evangelical types, but I just ignore them. I really don't care if someone believes I'm going to hell if I'm not "saved". Like you, I have my own beliefs and do not to push them on anyone. I may state what they are, but I don't expect to change how anyone else feels.
As for Hawkings, you are right about his intelligence. I was watching a biography of him about a week ago, and I was still confused by some of his theories.

You make perfect sense when you talk about it. Here in the US some people speak differently. They call it Christianese because it's like a different language. I guess you'd have to hear it to see what I mean.

I have never heard that term. Who are the ones that use it?

In Poland there's a saying (I think it was father Tischner who said it first) :

"Można być dobrym człowiekiem nie będąc katolikiem, ale nie można być dobrym katolikiem nie będąc człowiekiem."

Translation: "You can be a good human not being catholic, but you can't be a good catholic not being a human."

Once I watched a Christian TV program… I think it was called TBN... About 30 words Christ being said in 2 minutes and something about the hellish flames that will digest the sinners, etc.. I think I know what you are talking about.

Most people who use Christianese are Christians who don't often associate with others outside of church or their circle of friends. They all use unique words or sayings that makes sense to only them. And they turn around and use those same words to try and explain their beliefs to others and they don't get it. You can even find stuff about it on google.

Good lad!



Is that why we don't get a resit but buddhists do? I want to complain to OFGOD



I guess that is the problem though. This lack of evidence and reliance upon faith. I suppose it all comes down to how much we're prepared to believe without proof. I'm human, I make mistakes. I might have always fancied myself as an Airline pilot but I won't just jump into the cockpit of a 747 tomorrow and really and truly believe I can pilot it to Australia.
Why?
Because, I know that there is a fair chance I might not be as good as I think I am.
I'd rather question my beliefs and be open to the possibility that I might not be right.

Perhaps, I am wrong and what you say is 100% absolutely the truth. Part of me hopes that to be true, I mean wouldn't it be great??
But I won't blindly therefore dismiss the possibility it might not be.

I admit it, i'm an empiricist. (Allbeit a rather relaxed one)

If a tree falls in the forest but no one is around to see it, does it make a noise? Well, how can we know for sure?
We can't.
I'm prepared to say that I don't know on that one. I hope it does, but I won't tell you all absolutely, 100% that tree made a noise, because that one time it might not have.

Yep, TBN has a lot of people who talk like that.

I remember that process well.

i wasnt actually asking for your reply, that was part of the text i found.

Were you saying that the onus is on me to prove that Jesus is God?

Riff, anyone who claims what you do, knows that preaching to others who dont
want it, should be left alone! and by your antics and name calling I am convinced
you arent true to what you say. its plain and obvious that you are trying to get
under someones skin. Somewhat devilish isnt it?

have good day, and leave those who who would prefer to not hear it alone!

I have my beliefs too, which I happen to believe , but I also get irritated when I
am being pushed into a direction in which I choose to not go!

I make my decisions based on what is interpreted, and that is what it is all about!
Giles hit the head on the nose when he spoke of man making up his own, because
this does happen. and weve discussed that before on other threads.

its best to let one see/choose their own , to which they are comfortable, not
shove it in their face. I dont even think the good man upstairs would want that
as he wants us to come to him when we are ready or need him.

Giles, that might sound far fetched but, the bible is how we interpret it, and what
we believe it to be. Yes, some do go off kiester every now and then.

you have valid points. as do others. but it should never be pushed, it wasnt
meant to be that way.

meant that towards riff.

it is good that you found what you needed to find. and it is obvious that
you had hit rock bottom and found sactuary.

Please try to remember that others do have religions/and or non religious
beliefs and everyone has the right to choose what is comfortable for them

Fortunately believing in God isn't that hazardous. I take under the consideration that he may not exist. A doubt always accompanies faith, but if this faith motivates me to become a better person, than I don't think I loose much. And when I die and nothing will be there on the other side.... then I won't even have the chance to regret for believing in Him, as I won't exist anymore, right? Either way, for me it's worth the effort.

Very well stated, Mat!

but what about if your faith... or rather those who tell you what your faith is... motivates you to go and kill in its name... ?

I wuldn't trust "faith like this"

In the end of the day everyone makes his own choices and distnguish what is good and wrong.
I wouldn't say that any faith says to kill other people. There are extemists,sick people who twist it.

the lord is thy shepherd... which makes his followers sheep... and sheep are easily lead...



a woefully large number of conflicts have religious differences at their root... sad... but undeniably true...

and i will race you to three stars... ***

Is there something you want to tell us here, BW? Are you making a plan?

im not sure i like what you are implying, ranj... i most definately do not need the crutch of religion to justify any heinous crime i may feel compelled to commit... as a certified loony i am able to plead insanity... should i ever feel inclined to unleasy my mischeivoiusness outside of these cyber confines...

That's right....I saw your picture as a toddler on the Post a pic thead....violent, but cute You really are an American, aren't you?

born and bred on a turnip farm in iowa...

good point, and one should think more rational. <~these people are plain nuts!

its obvious that some are easily swayed.

someone tells me I need your bank account number in the name of god

Im going to tell him to go to h*ll!!!!!

Bubba, did you make that piece out of turnip greens? lol

I've heard so many stories of people who have been dramatically changed when they decided to give their lives to Christ. People rarely look at that part of religion. It's not all about being controlled by what religious leaders tell them or about religious fanatics. There's a whole world of people out there who see miraculous things happen for them every day. That's another reason some people believe. That's their proof.

geez Pat... i dont even know what turnip greens are... how thick am i...?

Me either, but i am sure they grow emm somewhere down south lol

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

lol

There are people that are born again Christians, that know Jesus that never read a bible or have seen a bible. I believed that Jesus was God before I met him and I believed he was God when I met him. In the bible Father God himself said Jesus was God. God showed me a vision of heaven where father God himself was looking up at Jesus. If I am a liar that makes Huegal happy. If I am telling the truth that makes Huegal tragic. Do you know that there is a spirit world?? I would guess that you do not believe that Satan exists. Satan wants you not to know God and think Satan does not exist. If you ever become a follower of Christ Satan will show you he exists. Knowing Jesus is God and Satan exists is not a weakness it is a strength. Believe whatever you want but that does not change the fact that Jesus is your God and your creator. Be humble, talk to Jesus,look for Jesus you will be glad.