Britain openly for confrontation: Army must halt Russia threat

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

This comes from the horse's mouth...Like, say, a football team, things do not happen by chance...The owners hire a management team for to handle different aspects of business
and logistical operations, sales, etc...then a coaching staff is hired. they draw up long-term & short-term plans and a coaching strategy...then players are aquired who will fit in with the coaching staffs plans, and, hopefully, will execute accordingly...if the general strategy doesn't work, then changes are made, and depending on various factors, the
situation goes one way or the other...When I hear people laugh at 'conspiracy theories'
I am amzed at how childishly-minded they are...a conspiracy is defined as two ore more people working together to achieve an illegal or quasi-legal goal, usually for the gain of the conspirators...business is in a sense a 'conspiracy', but it is supposed to be regulated by law, to restrain the worst impulses of greed & larceny...I would suggest to you that in many cases the people who actually make laws consider themselves above the law, and banking interests have the ability to 'create' money out of nothing, so perhaps the 'law' they recognize is a 'law of alchemy'!...and, the most obvious proof of conspiracy or 'strategy': do you think that George W.Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown etc.
have the kind of 'vision' required to craft and then implement any kind of coherent political strategy?...of course not: the policy is crafted by 'advisers', 'think tanks' & 'special interests'.

Quoting: Crow

I don`t think that only Jewish magnates has their interests in this or that they pushing things here. They are maybe involved, maybe not in this particular issue but facts suggest other powerful centers as generators of crisis

Of course, they are not the only ones...the British political establishment has, for the most part, been in a state of degeneracy for over a hundred years...when I say 'Zionized' I am primarily referring to the influence of the Rothschilds and their fellow
travellers on British politics, finance & media...please, don't believe me, but read about them yourselves; there are articles all over the Internet, and at least two large family
histories authorized by the family themselves...the whole idea of Zionism and its results
owe much to their financial backing, and, also, to the inexplicable support of segments of the British establishment, who have pushed this 'Zionism' at the expense of a healthy
British oriented foreign policy...In the US, at least, I cannot turn on the BBC without constant fear stories of 'Islamic terrorism' and 'al-Qaida', but absolutely no criticism of Israel, which is the real source of this 'terrorism' and unrest.

"British Council in Moscow shut amid diplomatic tensions"

15 December 2007 | 16:12 | Source: AP


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So the British council is going to shut, big frikkin deal,The British council is shutting down offices all over the world,we dont need to sell old BBC comedies and trips to the royal opera house to Commies anymore,the job is done...........
Can you name a British politician wanted in Russia for murder? Nope, can think of a russian wanted for murder here though......lugovoi.....
So, Crow, you want a war do you? You really are a sick puppy. Who in Britain do you think gives a flying fcuk for some muddy feilds in the middle of serebia? As far as most of us are concerned you can carry on acting like medievil peasants for as long as you want,just dont start invading other peoples lands again or trying to spark wider european wars......

Quoting: isthatu

Can you name a British politician wanted in Russia for murder?

No, the British are too sophisticated for that ploy...but I can think of one Rothschild operative living in the UK wanted in Russia: Boris Berezovsky...he is protected by the
'independent' British government.

Ahem, Joe, that's called politics...

realy? Can you give me details of this protection? Police escorts? Citizinship? Political power? no.............
Joe, if you realy want to belive your govt is controlled by some mystical cabal of rabbi's fine, leave our govt out of it, At least in the UK a jewish person could and did acheive the highest office in the land,have any none WASPs ever been pres? (kennedy dont count,he had old money)

As I understand it, he asked for political assylum and is treated (by the government) the same as anybody else who has assylum. And the press in UK follow his every move!

Oh, and the British government is probably one of the most 'independent' in the world.

Quoting: isthatu

realy? Can you give me details of this protection? Police escorts? Citizinship? Political power? no.............
Joe, if you realy want to belive your govt is controlled by some mystical cabal of rabbi's fine, leave our govt out of it, At least in the UK a jewish person could and did acheive the highest office in the land,have any none WASPs ever been pres? (kennedy dont count,he had old money)

Isthatu, as always, you let you emotions overwhelm your intellect...you seem very hyper...I would advise a good double vodka & a pint or two, my friend...this will help you
reflect & relax...there is no mystical 'cabal of rabbis'...but there is the Rothschild family,
the largest stockholder in the Bank of England, and their puppets, like the Labour Party...
as I posted earlier, before you can enter into an intelligent discussion on a topic, you need to at least do some research...now, the Rothschild family history, and their influence is documented by many sources, including two large books authorized by the
family itself...it is really fascinating reading, and if you don't understand this family, and their role in European & American history for the past 250 years, you will not understand
the events of that period...and, yes, although their is no 'cabal of rabbis', their is an International Jewry, and it is very powerful and works for interests that are not the same as the other nations of the world...as far as Jewish presidents in the US: confirmed
Jewish presidents: Franklin Delano Roosevelt & Dwight Eisenhower...possible: Lyndon
Baines Johnson & Harry Truman...and yes, the Uk did have Jewish PMs: Benjamin Disraeli
& Winston Churchill.

Dobar Dan Crow,

Let me start by saying for the record I am half Croatian. Let me then say I am not a rabid Croatian nationalist by any stretch.

I get the impression that a lot of your posts are trying to drum up some sort of support or sympathy for Serbs - thats fine, but I think you should do it somewhere else, say on a Serb or Croatian forum, where the participants are no doubt highly familair with what youre talking about.

I'm sure that the Croats/Slovaks/Bosnians have differing opinions as to what you say are misrepresentations on what Serbs may or may not have done, but those sorts of discussions are for elsewhere. My concern is that your points of view will be taken at face value and your points of view are really open to different arguments.

All I can say is thank christ NATO intervened when it did and thank christ the war is at an end. All sides in the conflict paid a heavy price. Please dont put out to this forum that it was a great conspiracy to destroy Serbia becuase I dont think it was.

Regards, Dan

But what difference would their ethnic background make? Are you implying that they didn't take their presidential oath seriously and instead served other interests?

By the way, Eisenhower was raised Jehovah's Witness, FDR was a Dutch reformed, LBJ was a Born again Christian, and Truman was a Baptist. None are generally considered to have been Jewish. Nor was Churchill. Disraeli however was proud of his background.

Perhaps you're now going to suggest that they were all 'secret Jews'? Maybe they were in fact secret aliens, and George Bush stealthily arrived via Roswell. :-))

If you make such sweeping assertions, you should be prepared to back them up! Please provide one reliable source that Churchill was Jewish!!!

What this has to do with either the diplomatic row over Litwinienko and the status of the British Council in Russia or the affairs of former Yugoslavia, I surely don't know.

no idea if this is a reliable source - just the first that google produced

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-churchill.html

apparently his mother was a jewish american - i cant be bothered to check credibility

'Jewwatch' seems very dodgy indeed. This was tha main item on their news service: "14-Year-Old Students Treated to Zionist ADL Mind Control Programs at a Junior High School Because of a Few (Possibly Zionist) Students Who Prank-Chalked a Few Swastikas on a Wall. When Does Political Correctness Go Too Far? "

The wikipedia entry on Winston says his mother's father's family were French Hugenots.

Quoting: jonni

If you make such sweeping assertions, you should be prepared to back them up! Please provide one reliable source that Churchill was Jewish!!!

Jonni, you are lazy...you need to do research yourself...but I will help you...you can ask
a simple question on Google like: The Jewish Genealogy of FDR...OK?...or for Winston
Churchill, whose mother was Jenny Abramson, ask something like : The Jewish
Genealogy of Winston Churchill...OK?...that's pretty simple...now, as to whether ethnicity or religious belief should have any effect pro or con on someone's ability to be
a president or PM, in the ideal the answer is no...but both ethnicity and religion are used for political advantage and blackmail...does this sound too negative?...I am really sorry!...JFK had many enemies because he was a Roman Catholic, and I lived through his presidency...Roosevelt was Jewish on both sides, the Roosenvelt side & the Delano side...the Roosenvelts or Rosenfelds were Dutch Jews...the Delanos were Sephardic Jews from Italy, but became more or less assimilated as members of the ruling class...Eisenhower's father was Jewish...I will discuss more when you have done some research...

Actually, I've done quite a bit of research over the years on Churchill & his family. The Jewish stuff to be found on the internet is all on dodgy hate-inspired websites.

I repat my question: If you make such sweeping assertions, you should be prepared to back them up! Please provide one reliable source that Churchill was Jewish!!!

Jew Watch has good historical archive material, but the owner of the site, Frank Weltner I believe, has become infatuated with showing his face on You Tube, and has seemingly
stopped posting many research/historical articles...Wikipedia is completely monitored and censored, and ANY historical/current material that is in any way critical of Zionism/Israel/Jews will be deleted within 24 hours of posting...and not just material on what I have just mentioned...anything remotely implying that there are 'hidden reasons'
behind historical/current events will also be censored.

Actually, I've done quite a bit of research over the years on Churchill & his family. The Jewish stuff to be found on the internet is all on dodgy hate-inspired websites.

I repat my question: If you make such sweeping assertions, you should be prepared to back them up! Please provide one reliable source that Churchill was Jewish!!!

You have never done any research, in fact, you had no idea until I brought this fact up!...
but I guess you have found out the truth about Roosevelt?...listen, there is a radio station here in Philadelphia called WNWR, 1540AM...every morning there is a Jewish program on called the Barry Reisman show; it is very good with a lot of good Yiddish &
Klezmer music...well, one morning as the program started, Mr.Reisman, who makes little
trivia announcements at the beginning, stated : 'Much to my surprise, but to the delight
of myself and, I hope our listeners, I want to reveal the fact that Franklin Delano Roosevelt, FDR, was Jewish!...blah, blah, blah, on & on'...well, I already knew, as did many Jewish people, but I found it interesting that he proclaimed it!...As far as your demands for 'proof', again, research yourself if interested...I could give you web-sites to go to, but if they contradict your preconceived views, you would just reject them & cry
'anti-semitism'...the information is out there on Churchill, who in his earlier years, made many VERY harsh statements about Jews, especially in their connection to the Bolsheviks...but, this was all covered up or erased later.

Probably to avoid unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. The discussion forums on Wikipedia are ceratainly not censored.

And Jew Watch is a hate site par excellance. You still haven't provided a reliable source for your claim about Winnie.

By the way, I googled your exact phrase about FDR, and the same sort of stuff came up - all nutty websites. Perhaps you know a respectable one?

Quoting: jonni

Probably to avoid unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. The discussion forums on Wikipedia are ceratainly not censored.

And Jew Watch is a hate site par excellance. You still haven't provided a reliable source for your claim about Winnie.

By the way, I googled your exact phrase about FDR, and the same sort of stuff came up - all nutty websites. Perhaps you know a respectable one?

What is a respectable website?...One that agrees with you, or perhaps you mean a Jewish site?...they are there, keep up your research...sometimes it takes awhile!

One without an axe to grind.

Wikipedia is very objective in my opinion but gives you only the direction to think.It does not offer an interpretation.It offers only facts.

Quoting: southern

Wikipedia is very objective in my opinion but gives you only the direction to think.It does not offer an interpretation.It offers only facts.

Facts as approved by Wikipedia...if you think this is my opinion only (and I have edited a
number of Wikipedia articles, with footnotes, only to have my additions deleted very quickly, and on a variety of topics), you can Google 'Censorship on Wikipedia'...Wikipedia is supposed to be 'open source', that is, anyone is allowed to contribute relevant information to any of their articles...but they censor open discussion.

I think they're trying to be very careful about the content - some pretty awful things have appeared for a day or so, and some people with extremely strong views like to contribute. Pages about the Balkans are a particular minefield with a dozen opinions and some that nobody agrees with.

good comment

Wikipedia - it's user edited website. You can go there and anonymously edit any page you want. So it's as objective as the last "editor."

I disagree about Wikipedia being objective, it certainly have leftist bias. In other forum I have read list of their admits and majority were some socialists and Greens. But you are right that this is very good first step.

Interesting...

Mapping Out Russia’s Future

December 11, 2007
russiaprofile.org/page.php?pageid=Politics&articleid=a1197373637&print =yes

Comment by Vladimir Frolov
Special to Russia Profile

A Recent Report Sketches Out Interesting Possibilities for the Post-Putin Years


Kommersant misrepresents Alternative Futures for Russia report: Kuchins

RIA NOVOSTI
22:46 | 13/ 12/ 2007
en.rian.ru/world/20071213/92371028.html

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Reunion May Be On Agenda in Belarus

THE MOSCOW NEWS

13/12/2007
mnweekly.ru/national/20071213/55296710.html

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Objective position of Wikipedia is deputed, it`s truth but still i would support suggestion that facts presented in Wiki could give you direction for further more serious examination of historical events.

This is not a reliable site. Maybe if I was looking for meaning of the word dog. Thats about all. Carol

On the Net, for historic data- I personally prefer Britannica, Catholic Encyclopedia and Rastko Project as a part of a pan-regional Balkans Cultural Network Initiative and according to European Gutenberg project

WHAT!!!, You mean propaganda of false west britannica surely? :)

The sad fact is anyone can say it is "a fact" this makes it misleading. I want proof I am reading facts.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=12&dd=15&na v_id=46214

Great now Britian can keep Pres. Putin busy while the USA gets the "anti Missle" set up in Poland.

On Friday, Russia's foreign minister charged that Britain had been deliberately worsening relations between the two countries, prompting Moscow to shut the regional offices of a major British non-governmental organization.



"On Friday, Russia's foreign minister charged that Britain had been deliberately worsening relations between the two countries, prompting Moscow to shut the regional offices of a major British non-governmental organization."


Isthatu were you picking on Pres. Putin Friday by chance. LOL J/K Carol

don`t be so small-minded my virtual friend.

There are many people on so called West who respect Slavic contribution to global civilization. Take just Italian scientist Mario Alinei who lunched Paleolithic Continuity Theory where he explained that Slavic culture exist in continuity since time immemorial. Or take in consideration many western European and American intellectuals who publicly defend, (in numerous articles) Serbian position, being even aware that Serbs with their resistance to NATO/EU hegemony defend very fundamental principles of freedom, democracy and internationally established order.