Britain openly for confrontation: Army must halt Russia threat

key Putin`s move in foreign politics was that he stooped to calculate/work behind Serbs. It was crucial for his political carrier

He obeyed to demands of Russian parliament which is very pro-Slavic and pro-Serbian. That move from him, more then anything else established fluid between him and Russian people. That`s how Russians recognized him as true leader. Serbs were and are test for Putin, for Russia.

and, when Serbian South consolidates, we would ask for destine of Northern Serbs (Lusatians). That is something what would once and for all thwart German hostility and their dirty schemes

Serbian victory in imperative. Germany would be exposed once again for assimilation and brutality on Slavs. Then, they need to give some answers (in front of complete International community) in case with dissolution of Yugoslavia, in case with devastation of Balkan Serbs.

so you have choosen ... East.

Crow, what have all your paranoid rantings and serb propaganda lies got to do with Britain/Russia? any connection? or are you just trying to show even more people how nutty you are with all this serbia for the slavs(that we dont murder) BS?

Crow its great you love Poland. But their is no way in hell you will see Poland friends with Russia. Personally I don't think ever because Russia seams like its never going to learn from the past. So your choice is Poland(west) and its values or Russia(east) and its values if it has any.

Look crow we Western slavs ;-) have some achievmnents... Czech rep is richer (per capita) than Portugal na Greece (I should be jelous ;) but I am not), Slovakia is richer and richer too, situation in Poland is much better as well. ;) you prefere Russia with their average sallaries about 400 dolars and political system form XIX century ? ... join us our brother :) life is better here. We need our slavic brother here to show some nations our value (firstly southern) :) we will do slavic union inside EU and NATO ;-)

said one Pole to one Racowie, Sarmatian to Sarmatian


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Imagine how this is funny to Germans, for example. They could died from loughing. Brate, they like when Slavs are divided. They just like that. They know, they just need to wait and be patient. And Britain and France, they also enjoy in Slavic divisions. Very much. To whom would they `help` if there is no divisions among Slavs. Brate, if Slavs survive, it would be only by miracle of mighty God

I will tell you something...

I can imagine Slavic world and world in general without Russia. You think, Poland would prosper, brate? You think, somebody would give to Poland, to Serbia, Russian resources on the silver plate, after Russia is no more? And, what you suggest for Russians, without Russia? You think, China would wait to be next and won`t take part of those enormous Russian resources/territories in case that Russian state collapse suddenly? Then, China/Asia would be on the Polish borders practically. You think, it can be prevented without Russia? You think, NATO could do that? All that Asia? You think, world would be batter without Asians? Africa without Africans? You think, Germans/USA would respect Poles if Poles help them in destruction of Russia?

To survive as Slavs, Slavs need closer cooperation. Maybe, not necessarily Slavic Union but, at least cultural union and closer ties on security questions.

In that sense, I would insist, no matter how ridiculous that can sound- Forget about NATO Poles. Don`t target Russia, together with THEM. Russians aren`t worse then NATO. Russians could be even batter but, NATO could be only worse.

come on crow ... culture YES better relations YES of course. If you want to be strong you need strong economy free market, you have to get some solutions and know-how. Our region after 50 years of isolation needs it. You will find it inside the EU. EU isn't perfect but when I imagine Poland outside the EU ...

and NATO doesn't want to kill Serbs ...

as to allies ... do you think Poles believe Americans ? :) read forums in Polish ;-) genraly read some forums in Polish ;))) not intrnational :-)

I have no sympathy for Russia. No ones trying to destroy Russia(personally I wish they were). But that's a different topic. Russia must learn to respect other countries, and not try to rule through fear. Using Gasprom as a political tool and the estonian cyber attack are good examples. Trust me when I tell you if Russias values were more like Polands(based on respect, and brotherhood) and then maybe your dream of a slavic union can succeed.

The big difference is that Russia operates as a police state. Britain need fear nothing. Russia is the stronger power but with American backing, I think not.

believe me, they just look stupid but, they aren`t

German government pushes and then Polish soldiers need to go to fight ``against terrorism``. I ask- Why?

Germany pushes for new UN resolution against Iran

Special Report: Iran Nuclear Crisis
2008-01-17 07:43:18
http://english.china.com/zh_cn/news/international/11020308/20080117/14 619584.html


Britain provoke then, declare that Russian respond is "completely unacceptable". Via NATO Poland is part of it. I ask- What Poland has with it?

Britain: Russian "intimidation" "completely unacceptable"

2008-01-17 06:43:07
http://english.china.com/zh_cn/news/international/11020308/20080117/14 619420.html



Just to give you picture why NATO is disgusting to Serbs.

In the same time, we are ready for cooperation with EU but EU wants to make Serbia smaller, to make us weaker on the long run, to control our relations inside of Slavic world- all that on the behalf of non-Slavs in the region.

does serbia fall under the eu's neighbourhood policy and if so, do you believe that the strategy behind the policy is interest or values based?

i would try to elaborate that in very very short

Obviously, some powers inside of EU, tend to unify EU under its control, on the long run to assimilate all differences in one giant `soup`, in order to create unified new nation loyal to that powerful group on the top of pyramid, nation loyal to new ideology, even possible to new religion

We see how mases of Poles emigrate in other countries (destine of all Slavic countries). That way, Poles contribute to that great `soup`, Poland weakening on the long run and becoming easiest to control her (via influence on Poles abroad).

On the example of Balkan Serbs and Serbia we see that Serbian intelligentsia, people refusing to be part of same `soup` but, that`s not problem for EU/NATO (NATO is tool). They can without Serbs who `refusing to cooperate` (so they just eliminating us, support assimilation of Serbs, emigration of Serbs because of easiest assimilation, dispute democratic processes in Serbian society, dispute development) but, they can`t without Serbian territories which are crucial strategic point on Western Balkan, South-Eastern Europe, entrance for Central Europe. All in all, its about borders on EU. Destruction/assimilation of Serbs they see as vital security question for EU.

So, EU supported ideology of genocide on Serbs suggested from extreme Croats/ustashe and Greater Croatia was created. Then, extreme Bosnian Muslims were supported and their/German/Turkish, Nazi-Muslim concept (absolutely abominable) for `solution` of problematic Serbian question. Muslim country (a caliphate) was created on traditional Serbian and Christian ground. Even Muslim mujaheedines from Arabia/Afghanistan were populated in Bosnia in order to strengthen Islamic element. EU now force creation of Greater Albania, which also has abominable Nazi/Muslim concept in its background. Next would be Greater Hungary, etc.

In all this, there is also question of values...

As long as exist ethos which didn`t forget glorious Slavic times, from time when Slavs expanded as peaceful farmers and hunters, as long as exist ethos which would openly declare that don`t accept enslavement of Slavs as final category for our kind, as long as that ethos remind his kin Slavic ethoses that there is other/alternative way then just be part of one unknown giant ethnic `soup`, as long as exist ethos which admire to nature, to cooperation thru survivor of differences, which admire to true freedom, which admire to values of Slavic spirituality- that ethos would be very dangerous for hostile and greedy elites of EU.

So, Serbs are obstacle and by ideology of constant `drang nach osten` they must extinct. But, if God is upon us, THEY miscalculated.

Same as Serbs, Christianity with its key values also represent problem for EU.

Poland and Russia are both targets because of resources (just approach is different), plus Russia is world power capable to endanger THEIR plans. Next is Ukraine and Byelorussia. Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia were erased already and EU consuming them now.

building infrastructure, helping our farmers in modernisation, opening their markets for our goods ... hmmm I like to be consumed :)))

Crow it is your choice ... you prefere East all in all it is your decison

We share different values than Russia and Serbia.

Average salaries in Russia are 580$.

give them time

What your Russia did for Poland, Czech rep, Slovakia ? ;)

we prefere NATO, EU, USA ...

with whom Poland share values, then?

That's not very nice of you.

honestly art music, customs are slavic. Law has origin in ancient Rome (not anglo-saxon) now wy try to take some western standarts for our country and progres is noticable but it needs time. I think it is not shame that we take some solutions form Germany, Finalnd, USA, UK. We don't take anything form Russia some Poles like language and art/music that is all.

You want values: Freedom of speach, democracy, free market.

Look some inovative farms is Poland ... it is copy of farms in Holland. Look on banking sector anglo-saxon soultions, what kind of Police Poles want ... like in Germany or Scandinavia. Education ... Finland they have Nokia. Culture/customs/language/traditions/heritage/cusine I prefere Polish.

We have been closed togheter with Russia in one block for 50 years ... whole world moved forward now we take some solutions they created in this time.

What is more Russians were robbing our country they were taking everything ... food, mineral resources, products. It was robbery. Look what happened when we stoped sending them our products for free in '89. In Poland you could buy Polish meat without standing in que one mounth after communism and Russians were hungry and started to die. Generaly you could buy evertything after '89 and in Russia nothing. Don't you think it is interesting. Now they want to do the same using gas because they are not able to do it themselfs.

You like Russians go to Russians. Maybe you like them so much because you have been doing the same in former Yugoslavia. Serbs had army the rest had to work ...

Exaggeration.After '89 Poland got 25% unemployment because its industrial products could not be sold anywhere while in Comecon times they were bought.
It also received loans from the West and investment which Russia failed to receive in the beginning and when it did,it was roberry of natural resources.
Everybody suffered after 1989 and for some years.Russians may have produced inadequate agricultural products but Poland could not produce any gas.
Of course now it is different due to EU integration and gradual change of economy and infrastructure.

Thank you



I couldn't have said it better, thanks.

Seams to me that Poles too easily believe in that maybe when come to BS about Serbs, no matter that Polish-Serbian relations thru history dictate opposite conclusions. Probably that is easiest to believe that Serbs mistaking. That way your conciseness stay intact, what exactly was goal of anti-Serbian propaganda.

After all, we see that even use of mujaheedines against Serbs looks prity normal


You ask that a Serb?!

My Russia? It is more your Russia (speaking about state), while Russians as kin people are both- yours and ours.

Brate, we paid dearly not to be part of Warsaw pact, to escape from Soviet Union (if we speak about last 50 years), to help to Czechoslovaks in 1968. Why Poland didn`t do the same? Back in that time you mistaken, tolerated Soviets and today you falling in another mistake, tolerating NATO. Why always negative choices???

Russia will be OK, thanks to closer Russian-Serbian ties. We would help them to found scent, you would see. :)

You as Pole, should say- thanks. :) :)

Listen Crow if Serbia has so much control over Russia. Tell Russia for us Poles to accept the former soviet states as equals. Embrace democracy and a free market. do not use oil as a political tool. if you can do that little favor for us we would appreciate it.

Because there were soviet troops in Poland while there weren't any in Yugoslavia.

RUSSIA TO CONSTRUCT TWO MILITARY BASES IN SERBIA

Published on January 21, 2008
http://www.armtown.com/news/en/pan/20080121/24607/




But, Soviets were in Yugoslavia.

I would remind you that they taken part in liberation of Belgrade from German occupation, together with our Resistance movement.

Then, they continued to pursue Nazis and, agreement was reached that they need to abandon territory of Yugoslavia after direct military operations against Germans finished.

In 1948 complete Warsaw pact made pressure on Yugoslavia and we said NO to that lunacy of extreme communism. We preserved some elements of private property. Those are well known historic facts. Many Yugoslav`s died on Yugoslav borders in and around of 1948, due to provocations (especially on Hungarian, Bulgarian and Albanian borders). Hungary as a state is always somebody's lap dog, true poltroon state. Thru history they always served to anybody who was hostile on Serbs/Slavs in general- to Romans, Teutons, Austria, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, NATO. And, ironically they are of Slavic origin

They stayed only 6 days in Yugoslavia.They never left from Poland.Poland was vital for soviet defense system because it blocked possible attack from Germany.

southern

I told you

I mean Poland had no choice.They could not ask for the soviet troops to get out after military operations finished because their presence was decided in Teheran conference.
For Yugoslavia it was decided that soviet troops will get out.