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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jan 21, 08, 17:36  #121

one more news for `good night`

Rising Anti-Americanism in Russia

By Alastair Gee
Posted January 18, 2008
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/01/18/rising-anti-ameri canism-in-russia_print.htm

MOSCOW— Vladimir Dobrovinsky, 33, a teacher at a design school in Moscow, says he's not interested in politics. But bring up America and the well-traveled, university-educated Dobrovinsky holds forth. He criticizes Washington's "crude interference" in world affairs. He complains that Russia is not treated as an important partner by the Bush administration. "A lot of Russians," he says, "are angry that America deals with us like we're Thailand."



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celinski
  Jan 22, 08, 15:27  #122

Seems Russia doesn't like it the other way around?
Russia warns Latvia in diplomat expulsion row

MOSCOW, January 22 (RIA Novosti) - Moscow could take retaliatory measures after Latvia expelled a Russian diplomat on charges of espionage on Monday, the Russian Foreign Ministry's official spokesman said on Tuesday.



http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080122/97525514.html


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Seanus
  Jan 22, 08, 15:36  #123

Good articles. Russia has had a history of using agents for espionage and dubious covert operations. Unlike Belorus, Latvia is a member of the EU and NATO and won't crawl under a rock to hide from Russia. I'm glad that the Latvians pointed to international law and towed the line of reason. They cocked a snook at the Russians by saying they expect a Latvian diplomat to be expelled. The Russian seemed to have been in error (spying?) but expect a schoolboy response from Russia


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southern
Edited by: southern  Jan 22, 08, 16:42  #124

Seanus wrote:
Russia has had a history of using agents for espionage and dubious covert operations


Bad Russia.Agents for espionage,what a perv activity.

Seanus wrote:
Unlike Belorus, Latvia is a member of the EU and NATO


This is an achievement.Belorus is very unlucky.

Seanus wrote:
and won't crawl under a rock to hide from Russia


Latvia is a brave country.Especially the 40% russian population.

Seanus wrote:
I'm glad that the Latvians pointed to international law and towed the line of reason


I am glad that they treated Russians like sh1t so many of them had to emigrate.

Seanus wrote:
They cocked a snook at the Russians by saying they expect a Latvian diplomat to be expelled. The Russian seemed to have been in error (spying?) but expect a schoolboy


Really Russians are afraid now.They did not expect such a blow.They will send a schoolboy to answer.

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Seanus
  Jan 22, 08, 17:37  #125

It's how they conducted their espionage activities, and also the scale. Belorus was supposed to be resisting closer ties with Russia. I meant the Latvian govt wouldn't run and hide/bow down. Treated Russians like ****? Not sure what u mean. It's not a question of fear, it's a question of decency and Russia seems to come up wanting sometimes


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Sadek
Edited by: Sadek  Jan 22, 08, 17:38  #126

yes yes UK is middle of diplomatic war against Russia ...

to this moment Russia wins but we will see the final result in close future ...


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jan 22, 08, 18:03  #127

Sadek wrote:
yes yes UK is middle of diplomatic war against Russia ...

to this moment Russia wins but we will see the final result in close future ...

when Poles, Ukrainians and Serbs decide to help to Russians, from UK would left only K (if you understand me)

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southern
  Jan 22, 08, 18:28  #128

Crow wrote:
only K


You mean probably ketamine.

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osiol
  Jan 22, 08, 18:46  #129

Crow wrote:
when Poles, Ukrainians and Serbs decide to help to Russians

We had a Russian bloke at work today. He was still drunk from last night. He didn't want to work, so instead he started shouting 'RUSSIANS F*** ENGLISH PEOPLE!!! RUSSIANS F*** POLISH PEOPLE!!!' (His audience was a mix of English and Polish people). We let him go home after that.

No, I don't think ALL Russians are like this.

Crow wrote:
if you understand me

As with the rest of your statement, you might like to conduct some experiments attaching jet engines to pigs.
But then again, one day the whole world will live together in peace and harmony!

* Donkey glues the wings onto the pig *


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jan 22, 08, 20:09  #130

osiol wrote:
But then again, one day the whole world will live together in peace and harmony!

yes, one day even hate will be over, wars forgotten, everything would pass, but freedom of Slavs would remain

osiol wrote:
he started shouting 'RUSSIANS F*** ENGLISH PEOPLE!!! RUSSIANS F*** POLISH PEOPLE!!!'

maybe he even isn`t that bad man... just, this is very sad to me

scream of so lonely being


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celinski
  Jan 23, 08, 11:49  #131

Crow wrote:
but freedom of Slavs would remain


Stop with this pity party and decide to turn it into a positive, as in, "and freedom of the Slavs shall be at hand"

Crow wrote:
scream of so lonely being


Or one who is coming to terms that money cannot buy respect.


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celinski
  Jan 23, 08, 15:04  #132

More spying, interesting.

Britain to expel 34 Russian spies: UK report
The British government is preparing to expel 34 Russian diplomats from the country, according to The Mail on Sunday newspaper. The article claims Britain’s Security Service, MI-5, has drawn up a list of suspected foreign agents, including at least 34 diplomats in the Russian embassy.


http://russiatoday.ru/features/news/19874


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celinski
  Jan 23, 08, 16:00  #133

Tell me you didn't see this coming?

Moscow may expel Latvian in tit for tat exchange
Russia has hinted it may retaliate to the expulsion of a diplomat from its embassy in Riga by deporting a Latvian official from Moscow, government officials say.

The Russian diplomat, whose name has not been revealed, was expelled on Monday.

Latvian officials say he was engaged in activities incompatible with his status, a diplomatic way of saying he's suspected of spying.

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/19952


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jan 23, 08, 17:24  #134

Cossacks arriving in Serbia?

The Cossacks of the Don will help Serbia if Kosovo declares independence

PRAVDA
18.01.2008
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/18-01-2008/103511-cossacksdon-0

Rostov-on-Don, January 17, RIA Novosti. The Russian Cossacks of the Don region believe secession of Kosovo from Serbia is unacceptable and will assist in the event that Pristina proclaims independence, declared Vladímir Voroninon, deputy atamán of the Grand Army of the Don Cossacks, on Thursday.

"Kosovo is the heart of Serbia, their native land. The country should preserve its territorial integrity," he said. “If Kosovo gets independence, the Cossacks will provide the necessary assistance to the Republic of Serbia and the Kosovo Serbs,” he said.


about Russian-British crisis over British Councils in Russia, PRAVDA, January 2008...

Russia twists Britain to its will
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/21-01-2008/103552-russia_brit ain-0

The British government intends to deport at least 34 Russian diplomats supposedly suspected of espionage,

Russia and Britain develop largest diplomatic conflict since Soviet times
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/17-01-2008/103466-russia_brit ain-0

The conflict between Russian and British authorities continues to exacerbate.

Russian authorities enforce British Council to suspend operations in two cities
http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/17-01-2008/103460-russia_council_ suspend-0

In the meanwhile (from the Web site of Serbian gov. last few days)...

EU must unequivocally endorse Serbia’s sovereignty, territorial integrity
http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=42538

Energy agreement with Russia important for stable energy supply in Serbia
http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=42525

Government adopts text of agreement between Serbia, Russia on cooperation in oil, gas industries
http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=42500
[imgs=http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/view_image.php?id=11681&cache=en][/i mgs]
[imgs=http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/view_image.php?id=10543&cache=en][/i mgs]

U.S.: No Kosovo delays; Russia: Firmly with Serbia
22 January 2008 | 16:56 | Source: Beta, Tanjug
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=01&dd=22 &nav_id=47146


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plk123
  Jan 23, 08, 17:28  #135

can't you see that they (rus) have you (srb) by the balls?


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Crow
  Jan 23, 08, 17:42  #136

plk123 wrote:
can't you see that they (rus) have you (srb) by the balls?

at least we (srb) have the balls ;)

pressure of so called west force Serbia and Russia on closer cooperation. You (pol) are welcome to help, if you has the balls ;)


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 23, 08, 18:20  #137

Crow, man o man you are living in a fantasy. Maybe one day Poles, Serbs, Russians, and all slavs can hold hands and sing songs about rainbows. Maybe one day. It is Serbia who should join us in the EU. However even though I supported the war to stop genocide in Kosovo, I do not support the break up of Serbia. I can't imagine Poland ever being broken up for any reason. Its sad. However I don't see any way out of it. EU is what's gonna save serbia, however its gonna cost you. Russia on the otherhand is gonna destroy you, but its gonna pay you. Serbia's choice.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jan 23, 08, 19:05  #138

matthias wrote:
However even though I supported the war to stop genocide in Kosovo, I do not support the break up of Serbia.

On the territory of former Yugoslavia, only genocide on Serbs happened- during Ottoman occupation, in Hungarian revolution 1848, in WWI, in WWII and in last Civil War during dissolution of Yugoslavia. That`s the God`s truth!

Give time to yourself to learn before you accuse Serbs for such a monstrous thing as it is genocide. Brate, Serbs are victims. Whole genocidal ideologies were created by our foes and their puppets in order to `solve` Serbian question.


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 23, 08, 19:20  #139

Here is the deal, muslim terrorism started to grow in Serbia. I know Osama sent fighters there and there were attacks. However Serbia reaction though understandable was over the top. Instead of fighting the terrorists which is difficult when they are cowards and hide in the general population. Serbia opted out for collective punishment and began slaughtering all the muslims. You were kind of in the position that Israel is in now in the sense that you were being attacked. However the retaliation was even more extreme then Israels. This is why I sympathize with you and wish serbia was not being divided. However EU is not going to budge. For this you need Russias help and unfortunatly their worse then the EU. I wish your country luck. Very difficult position your country is in. I guess the lesson is you can defend yourself however not te way Serbia did. If unfortunate that Serbia has to pay the price because of Bin laden.


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Crow
  Jan 23, 08, 20:06  #140

matthias wrote:
Here is the deal

no deal. Only truth is acceptable for Serbs. Then, let western Europeans live with that truth about themselves and their governments which are deeply involved in terrorism.


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 23, 08, 20:10  #141

Post 139 is the truth. Here's the deal also means 'this is what it is'. So what I said is what happened but maybe you can correct me.


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Sadek
Edited by: Sadek  Jan 24, 08, 12:49  #142

CROW I have checked details of deal you make with Russians.

You are going to sell more than 50% of your energetic sector for less than its 20% of market value. I found informations that you do so to get Russians support in case of Kosovo, you pay your "friends" for help. Candidates to your parlament do everything to get Russian support so they are giving everything Russians want I don't know if total submission is good way of negotiaions.


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joepilsudski
  Jan 24, 08, 14:25  #143

plk123 wrote:
can't you see that they (rus) have you (srb) by the balls?


Yes, the Russians have Serbia by the balls...if push comes to shove, will the Russians push the EU/NATO back over Kosovo?...maybe, maybe not...Putin gives all appearence of
being a strong Russian nationalist, and he probably is, but there are many forces at work behind the scenes..he is certainly not a 'Pan Slavist'.

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celinski
  Jan 24, 08, 14:28  #144

joepilsudski wrote:
Putin gives all appearence of
being a strong Russian nationalist,


Is there a patteren here with Russia seeking out weakness and taking over? How sad for the Serbs, just as it was for Poland and almost Afganastan.


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joepilsudski
  Jan 24, 08, 14:40  #145

celinski wrote:
Is there a patteren here with Russia seeking out weakness and taking over? How sad for the Serbs, just as it was for Poland and almost Afganastan.


Russia is a great power, and great powers play 'power politics'...I don't think there is anything to fear from Russia right now...Russia, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, seeks security for Russia...the US/NATO have attempted to surround Russia with military bases, promote various 'Orange' revolutions in former Soviet republics, and have, through 'certain' international banking interest and their front-men, sought to grab Russian resources, such as oil & minerals...Russia is not interested in war, but will use all means short of it to assure it's own security...this is what a strong nation does.

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isthatu
Edited by: isthatu  Jan 24, 08, 15:39  #146

celinski wrote:
How sad for the Serbs, just as it was for Poland and almost Afganastan.

dont shed any tears for the genocidal serbs carol,whatever happens,short of war,is highly deserved by them,personally the world would be better off if serbia just feked off to mars .WW1,caused by a serb nationalist assasinating franz ferdinand...serb genocide of croats and bosniacs is well documented despite what the poor deluded party aparatchik crow twitters on about....

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1461693,00.h tml

http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/0,,181286,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/article/0,,2053811,00.html


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jan 24, 08, 17:26  #147

joepilsudski wrote:
Putin gives all appearence of
being a strong Russian nationalist, and he probably is, but there are many forces at work behind the scenes..he is certainly not a 'Pan Slavist'.

hardly that Putin could be Pan-Slavist. Pro-Serbian stance of Russia force Russian parliament which currently very well reflects opinion of Russian public and position of Pan-Slavic circles in general. Putin as Putin, reminded me (at first) on typical representative of elite which other Slavs thru history remembered as treacherous (partition of Poland, non-solidar with Serbs, which trade with Slavic interests- friendly with Germany).

Putin at first hesitated to openly support Serbian cause but then switched at pressure of parliament. His administration even started to negotiate with Albanians behind back of Serbs. Then, there was turn-point in Putin`s approach, when he once told to german Merkel that Kosovo represent emotional question for Russia (i would later found that article, i sow it).

That force, which pushing Putin to supporting Serbs is Pan-Slavic elite of Russian society. Same elite pushing improvement of Russian-Polish relations, hopefully improvement of Russian-Ukrainian relations also, soon.

Do you know, that there are people who would tell you that Pan-Slavic elite of complete Slavic world is positioned batter then ever in all Slavic countries. By those `rumors`, Pan-Slavists practically managed to establish coordination between themselves. We all are probably witnesses how Russia, Putin- obey to that Pan-Slavic elite.


interesting

Over half of Ukrainians against joining NATO - survey

18:52 | 24/ 01/ 2008
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080124/97682417.html

KIEV, January 24 (RIA Novosti) - Over 50% of Ukrainians would vote against joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, according to a survey carried out by the country's Democratic Initiatives foundation.

According to the poll, 53% would vote against joining the alliance at a referendum, and 32% would back membership.


Seams that Slavic resistance rising

I personally would always support those circles which suggests formation of Pan-Slavic security forces. Cooperation between Polish-Ukrainian (UKRPOLBAT) troops on Kosovo is good example of how should that look like. Without their support, Serbs of Kosovo would be doomed already. Only to Slavic soldiers should be alowe to establishing peace on Slavic ground.

MINISTRY OF NATIONAL DEFENCE
REPUBLIC OF POLAND


UKRPOLBAT

POLISH-UKRAINIAN PEACE FORCE BATTALION
http://www.mon.gov.pl/en/strona/129/LG_90_93

The idea of establishment of the Polish-Ukrainian Peace Force Battalion originated on October 5,1995 at the meeting of defense ministers of Poland and Ukraine. Three years later its formation was commenced.

POLUKRBAT" in Kosovo

To date the Polish and Ukrainian soldiers nave only met during joint training. The mission to Kosovo is their first combat task. Here they will find out how many skills acquired during manoeuvres they can apply in extreme situations, in the face of grave jeopardy. The battalion's operation in Kosovo includes 545 Polish and 267 Ukrainian soldiers. For the duration of the Kosovo mission a platoon of Lithuanian soldiers was also incorporated into the battalion.

The "POLUKRBAT" staff headquarters in Kosovo is located in the town of Kacanik.

The "POLUKRBAT" tasks include ensuring security of the population inhabiting in the subordinate area as well members of humanitarian organizations, cooperation with the Supreme Commissioner for Refugees, providing protection of major facilities, border crossings, roads, bridges, viaducts and continuous patrols over the subordinate area.


Poles, Ukrainians- thanks for UKRPOLBAT. Slava!


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Sadek
Edited by: Sadek  Jan 24, 08, 18:47  #148

You better forget about Kosovo and join EU ... why do you need Kosovo with 80% of albanians ... you know they will fight. So war ? again ?

as I know it is EU propostion forget about kosovo join us ... and I think it is much better than Russian ... form the other hand you have choosen and it is to late. I wouldn't be so sure if Russians will do what they have promised for you.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jan 24, 08, 19:25  #149

Sadek wrote:
if Russians will do what they have promised for you

If Russia, betray us, then never mind. At least, Serbs won`t died in silence

and story about our resistance would live among Slavs, among our foes, we would show how Slavs defend what is theirs- land of green, land of free, where we belong, where we had been. We shell return on our holly ground of Kosovo and Metohija, if Christ is upon us. In all regions from where our German, germanized and mujaheedine foes pushed us.

Even if that could be our last charge... Saga would live about return of Racowie!

... last charge of free Sarmatians? We shell see


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ConstantineK
  Jan 26, 08, 08:35  #150

Sadek wrote:
why do you need Kosovo with 80% of albanians


Think, they should be returned in albania by force.

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