British aggression and anti-Polonism or Polonophobia .

szkotja, thanks for the info. This is a good thing for people to become involved in politics.
Magdushya, these workers were fired last week and their case will be heard tomorrow. I'll let you know the outcome.

yeah...laws of the land, been in employment for 12 mths for some rights to be established(?), did they have contracts(?), ages, gets difficult to prove........but unacceptable...you need to know your rights!!!

The Polish government using propaghanda about the crimes against Poles in the UK is a good thing. Hopefully such reports will keep Poles from going abroad.

I don't believe the Poles on this forum! Are there any that worry about progress in their own country? It seems they are just concerned with the $ and crapping on Poland...

I remind you that the brain drain is a very bad thing for Poland. Once again Western europe is taking advantage of Poland. This time by stealing all of its young and bright people. Polish are so naive to this simple fact. We fought for them in WWII and then they sold us out. Once again they are selling us out.

Flee, flee, flee to the UK you polish peasants!!!

Actually I disagree with that totally, I own a building firm and can safely say that if any employee involved a trade union with our business he would be fired on the spot, wether English of Polish.

Trade unions are for large corporations, not small building companies. No small building company is going to want trade unions intering with their business.

This is not the 80's, If you start mentioning trade unions, you will end up unemployed.

Everyone has a legal right to join a union, i hope you end up being taken to a tribunal.
It's people like you who keep wages low, not workers from abroad.

Maybe so, but if you ran a small company like I do, you can simply make someone's job disappear over time. I pay my employees well, I don't need to be blackmailed by union to do so. Big companies are a different thing, they have the capacity to take along people who are un-productive and overpaid. If I'm employing someone who cost's more than they bring in as income I am going to end up paying it out of my pocket and the end of the month.

Unions are not there to blackmail, they are there to negotiate, so that staff are paid their worth and no less. any good employer knows the value of working with unions, there is no benefit on either side to go against one another. it seems you have been reading the nonsense in the press and believing it.
i am an accredited union rep, i have never balckmailed anyone, I do help people defend their rights, under employment law. I have turned down cases where the employee has not been in the right.
what is your idea of overpaid? do you not believe that an honest days work should not be rewarded with a decent living wage? could you survive on thel ow wages some people are being paid?

Just browsing,

I have a lot respect for you you. Keep up the good work.

Unions have there place and I totally support them. However, one of my employees earns as much as I do and is guaranteed to get paid at the end of the month. To her a 'decent living wage' includes a Plasma TV and two houses back in South Africa. Plus gaining British nationality and US work permits, free accommodation in a beach house in San Diego, company car etc.

Somehow, I don't think a union is needed in our company.

Magdushya
You know, your attitude stinks. The Poles fighting for the British in the second world war couldn't exactly be 'sent home' because they would have been shot. True Stalin, Churchill and the Americas shafted the Poles but what exactly were the West supposed to do about it? the basis of the entire Cold War was Stalins treatment of the Poles. Freeing Poland would have required a nuclear war , one planned to be fought to be in Poland.
You seem to have chip on your shoulder about the British, yet Britain has done what very few other countries have done and allowed 750K to come and work here. Regardless of what some people like to imply there is comparability little anti-Polish feeling given the hugh numbers involved. Yes Britain owns Poland a debt, but don't slag it off because it allows Poles to come here and work. If Poles get **** wages, they should apply for better paid jobs, that not UK employers fault, I never see Poles looking for jobs in IT.

is true that peter !!!!!!!!

she is very lucky, the people where i work dream of winning the lottery to finance that kind of lifestyle. The fact is unions are needed by many people, not just for pay, but for health and safety, not all employers are like you, many people get shafted by the people they work for. Also, unions can be beneficial to teh company as well. how many employers coiuld afford to have their staff trained in employment law, health and safety law etc., Unions pay for their reps to be trained, employers can make good use of that training.

My original response was too the remark made by lee_england "any employee involved a trade union with our business he would be fired on the spot" had he of said any employee who didn't work and skived all the time would be fired on the spot, I would be in total agreement with him. But his remark suggested even a hard working and loyal employee would be fired for joining a union.

The office block where i work recently changed cleaning contracts, the new firm was cheaper they hired immigrant workers. thelady who cleaned our floor did a fantastic job, I walked in to work early one day to hear the supervisor screaming abuse at her for spending too long on the cleaning. it turned out they shipped them from one office to another and paid them below minimum wage.

i don't get paid for being a union rep, i do it because i belive in fair play. I believe the rot set in, in this country when Thatcher said there's no such thing as society. i still feel moved whenever i hear Billy Bragg sing 'Between the Wars'

nothing more what they promised us for OUR help, maybe situation could be better in Poland now.

I don't slag it, if i want I would use other words
If you didn't sell us we wouldn't need to work here


I'm doing this

Politicians and the game that is wart (to them) make and break promises as need be to suit there own interests.

The gov't of the day - broke after a long war like so many others. could not be blamed entirely for having run out of fight.

I am not condoning - im just suggesting a possible reason so please dont shoot me.

u would learn German very VERY quickly if not our grandpas

I like you, I appreciate your comments, you Irish people were also victims of English, so and you are similar to us, like I've heard in Irish radio in Dublin what said Irish immigrant in US- Poles are the mirror of Irish....

after dissccusion like i.e. in this thraed, when I'm educated and willing to take job which is rigth to my skills and experience I hear on this forum that English have not got good jobs, so what is my attitude, who I am to deserve good jobs, and later I've heard that we breaking English economy because we applaying for low-paid jobs, so I aks - where is a fuking logic in that???

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is the glory in that after selling us in Jalta and Postdam you ALLOW us to work here??????? How good you are! Not that you had got unemployment etc but you just so generous, oh THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Espana how much do you know about what Poles did in UK during WWII, what do you know about it how they thank you us for it?????

What Scotland what to do when will be independent? IF will be of course?
Have you know Polish arguments below this article?

what's more I was dussccusing with Pakistani here, they says taht they are here because of mess English have done in their country

What absolute rubbish, how dare you even begin to compare what the British did to the Irish - what happened at the end of WWII was not solely down to the British either or do you forget that?



You are in competition with nativie speakers with Engish degree's do you really think that you are going to get a job in your chosen field.

Stop moaning and go to Ireland, you're really rather boring now, thank god I dont come here often!

Read some history luv, I wouldnt say we made a mess of anyones country, they're here for the same reasons Poles are here!!

Read some story love..good advice but for you, don't know your degrees, but i don't suspect something special

she didn't compare this u fu.... slu.. u better learn read cuz i doe know fu.. nothing read about Jalta and Postdam than MAYBE U will understand but doe think so... u sold us to Stalin cuz of that we r fu.. up cuz of UUUU Bloody Sunday u've been shooting innocent people and u sold us in IIWW TRUE u can't compare it

All of the people that work for me are on more than £10 per hour, I can't be that bad.

Magdushya

Thanks for confirming everything I said. Before you get on you high horse, my Grandfather died fighting the Russians in 1939. He was a Major in the 1919-1920 war that help bring about Poland's independence. My father and family was transported to Siberia before being released and joining the British Airforce. What happened to Poland resulted in him eventually killing my mother and himself. I have been personally ****** up by this.

I've asked him, did he blame the British? No Stalin and Hitler were responsible equally and totally for Polands situation,. My dad read a book by Stalins translator , in it Stalin was joking about the British because they were feeble and powerless with delusions of grandeurs.
Britain did NOT have to fight Germany, Hitler offered peace terms that allow the Empire to continue. Instead Britain fought on and impoverished itself, it lost the British Empire, it was destitute and had to give the control of the world economy to the USA (their terms for helping defeat Hitler). The UK stopped paying the war debt to the USA last year. The damage to the British economy took until the 1980's to repair.

I've got good reason to be F***ed off by all this but I have the sense to realising that Britain was powerless to help Poland. Even the USA could not do it (and never tried).

Quoting: Magdushya
what's more I was dussccusing with Pakistani here, they says taht they are here because of mess English have done in their country

As Annia said. We in such a mess that the UK has had the longest period of economic growth in the entire Industrial Revelution - over 200 years.

Comparing Ireland to Poland is utter bullsh** as well. Quite frankly Britain has no reason to go to war for Poland in the first place, what exactly had Poland even done for Britain??
Britain went to war on PRINCIPLE and it lost every thing. So did Poland, but don't blame Britain at least it tried, unlike the US.

Ireland's issues are far more complex because you are talking four hundred years of history ++ and people who settle for generations in Ireland. When do you stop holding grudges? Who lived in Poland 700 hundred years ago? The Borderlands between Russia contained several different nationalities, the majority of which were not Polish. Nationality was defined as religion (which is similar to Ireland)

You really need to start moving on and stop dweling on a perceived debt that Britain owes, the fact that you are here is more than restitution for what you may feel you are owed.

Oh, and another point to remember, the Irish would have welcomed Hitler's victory over Britain. They did absolutely nothing to help Poland, they would of happily stood by and watch Hitler exterminate every Slav on the planet. Oh, my grandmother was Irish.

so why worry if they join a union?

Maybe England shouldn't have bothered helping Europe in the war, if this is the thanks we get.

To be honest with an attitude like that I cant see you surviving very long in England, unless of course you only mix with the Pakistani community in Birmingham.

It's funny how the people that moan about the English, or what they did years ago are the ones who are now living in England.

Young Pakistanis have always had a thing against the English, and it has nothing to do with the British empire, it's due to the fact that when they came to England, none of the English girls wanted to know them because they are muslims. The whole Pakistani / English conflict of today is based on that same thing today. I see it in clubs, and pubs all the time.

You can argue with me 'till your blue in the face, but I am a man, and I know a lot of Pakistani people and they've admitted it to me. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the past. They are just saying that to you so that you favour them over us.

I've heard the way Pakistani men talk about women and its no wonder they get avoided.

What good England has done far outways the bad, what about all the aid england gives to other countries? Millions upon millions of pounds are given to help countries less fortunate.

who was our ALLIES than???????? YOU or Irish?

Madgysha,
stop yelling. You are just one, big, loud mouth.

Polish pilots fought in the Battle of Britain, where the Polish 303 Fighter Squadron achieved the highest number of kills of any Allied squadron. From the very beginning of the war, the Royal Air Force (RAF) had welcomed foreign pilots to supplement the dwindling pool of British pilots. On 11 June 1940, the Polish Government in Exile signed an agreement with the British Government to form a Polish Army and Polish Air Force in the United Kingdom. The first two (of an eventual ten) Polish fighter squadrons went into action in August 1940. Four Polish squadrons eventually took part in the Battle of Britain (300 and 301 Bomber Squadrons; 302 and 303 Fighter Squadrons), with 89 Polish pilots. Together with more than 50 Poles fighting in British squadrons, a total of 145 Polish pilots defended British skies. Polish pilots were among the most experienced in the battle, most of them having already fought in the 1939 September Campaign in Poland and the 1940 Battle of France. Additionally, prewar Poland had set a very high standard of pilot training. The 303 Squadron, named after the Polish-American hero, General Tadeusz Kościuszko, achieved the highest number of kills (126) of all fighter squadrons engaged in the Battle of Britain, even though it only joined the combat on August 30, 1940: these 5% of pilots were responsible for a phenomenal 12% of total victories in the Battle..