British aggression and anti-Polonism or Polonophobia .

i m not insulting poland or polish

just you idiot

c'mon espana. dont be insulting the guy.

if you feel a person arguements a false, debate them not belittle the person.

this is a forum not a mud house

i just not want to debate with a idiot who is always europa eurpa europa europa europa europa

I was to Spain twice. I found it alright, but I like Greece and Portugal better (better food and hotels). I find Spanish people nice, but some of the media in Spain (I don't call them Spanish media) are extremely - hiow should I put it? - commie-fascist. At present they are also rabidly anti-Polish; your attitude towards me as a Pole and Poland may be coming from them. I like Spanish literature - Cervantes, Unamuno, Jimenez. They are your greatest writers. (I don't like so-called Latin American literature, including Marquez). Now, I certainly don't like your manners; you are boorish and perhaps not very bright. I think that in the olden times I would have challenged you to a duel (sabres, pistols, etc.). Hm, if you want to converse with me you've got to give facts proving your point; otherwise I'll stop respecting you and talking to you (but may comment on your stuff).

those are two total opposites

not that is your idea,,,,,cos spain was fascist ,,you think i m one
i m not going to think you are a communist just cos you are from poland

Well, concerning espana's calling me repeatedly an 'idiot,' the slur coming from a dumb loonie fellow like himself can be only a compliment to me.

i like poland and polish people but is easy for you take **** on me here

Puzzler, if you call him names, he calls you names and you call him names.

it wont end. I appreciate your points for civilised debate and would like to see them too.

dont go low and give him something to aspire to rather than justification in his eyes to continue calling you names

I don't consider Spain of the great General Franco 'fascist.' But I find the commies infesting the media in today Spain - ultra-fascist. Hm, perhaps you don't know it, espana, but communism is a form of fascism. Mussolini called it 'Slavic fascism,' and he was a real expert in these matters. By the way, we have commie-fascist media also in Poland. The phenomenon seems to be all-European.

is true sorry but you should be speak about what you know and not look like you know nothing about this problem

old thinking !!!!! how old are you ?.... that why i m telling you if you dont know shut up

How d'ye do, daffy? Nice to see you again. Happy Easter (if you celebrate it; I basically don't, but like when folks do).

i know plenty about the fallacy's of this kind of arguing.

It leads to no-where.

and happy easter to you too! and to all!

I dont celebrate it. I was raised a Catholic and im not a practising catholic. I believe in a supreme being alright. but thats another thread

Espana, where did you take it from that I consider you and Spain - fascist? Alright, I'll tell you what I think of Spain: great European nation being eroded from the inside by a bunch of rascals. By the way, I think exactly the same about today Poland, Britain, etc.

i ve come here by boat ????? there to many people who die doing that

are going to get out of here in the future? may be to poland in the future?????

unless the spanish people feel sorry for this

Daffy, I was raised a Catholic too, but am not one today. I keep some fond childhood memories of the Church holidays.

Hello Miranda, Hope your having a lovely easter...

Espana, I don't mind Spanish, or any other European folks coming to live in Poland.

Dec,
steeling the thread, I had better Easter celebrations(exam tommorrow), I hope you are enjoying yours

Actually they are not. Communist purges in Stalin´s regime were just thinly veiled as "class war". Stalin sent people to gulag just for being Polish, Finnish etc. Stalin hated Polish almost as much as Hitler.

yes, yes they were, while both are dictatorial in nature and required absolutist control.

the ideologies of the two systems are polar opposties.

which is why, in political science they are place so far apart on the political spectrum.



well thats a personal preference (a sick and twisted one granted) and not in the politicial ideology. If we are just talking about the politics of communism and facism then you are talking totally different systems.

if hitler and stalin hated poles then that is two people of two differing beliefs hated the same people. That is not a reflection on the followers en-mass of either political system. And apparantly supported by some polish hating germans and not hating russians (as much)
despite the fact that BOTH did great harm to Poland

Different, but not totally different - far-left and "far-right" (national SOCIALISM) are far from normality but not so far from each other.

im not speaking for myself. Im merely re-iterating political science.

There are various different opinions about what is actually being measured along this axis, and lines often blur among parties. For more detail see wikipedia for eg

* Equality of outcome (left) versus equality of opportunity (right).
* Redistribution of wealth and income (left), or acceptance of inequalities as a result of the free market (right).
* Whether the government's policy on the economy should be interventionist (left) or laissez-faire (right).
* Support for widened lifestyle choices (left), or support for traditional values (right).
* Whether human nature is more malleable (left) or intrinsic (right).
* Whether the government should promote secularism (left) or religious morality (right).
* Collectivism (left) versus individualism (right).
* Support for internationalism (left), or national interest (right).
* Support for cultural and economic autonomy (left), or support for globalization (right).
* Support for class conflict (left), or for class collaboration/class ambivalence (right).

Well political spectrum is more like an horseshoe, they ends are very close to each while not touching.each other.

Stalin´s ideology had its own idea "hereditary properties", it was very close to Hitler´s theories of uber and untermenschen. If you were a son of an indpendent peasant, then you were also 99% sure inpendent peasent and therefore danger to Soviets.

even that spectrum has been rubbished by modern standards.

however if your talking 1900-1940's. linear spectrum applies.
Horseshow applied from the 1950's onwards.

Today its a Cross shaped spectrum and even then they say its not as simple as that anymore. rather a 'guide' to give an image of the idealogy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pournelle_chart_color.gif

gives an idea of how cluttered it can start to get.

again im not disputing the man and i think you think i am. (just in case its not obvious, im not disputing anything regarding the men that hitler and stalin were mmkay)

i've merely stated the polticial idealogys.

ok let´s nitpick these claims individuallyu



Nazi system had no room individualism, exception being the leading elite which was also case in Soviet Union.



Ok, I have to admit this more of a difference:
stealing money from Jews was "redistribution of wealth" for Nazis. And the inequalities were not accepted in theory in SU but in real life they were (the nomenclature).


Again nazi germany´s economic policy was closer Keynes´s ideas , who was a leftist, nazis had no hesitation to interfere in economy if they felt their "machine" was in danger.



Soviet Union was very traditionalist, they just redefined the term "traditions". This also exemplfied that both regimes hated gays fiercely.



I am not so sure about this, my english is not that so I´ll pass this one


Ok, this is more of a difference. But Stalin´s regime was very close to being a newly defined religion: the worship of Stalin and science ministers Lysenko´s false beliefs on science. And Hitler wasn´t really a religious person, well not a christian person at least, maybe some sort of pagan...


more of difference but Soviet Union was considered to be the "best" among all nations, even if the others were communist as well.



Now, Hitler was a strong anti-Globalist (if there was such term as then), he preferred Germany´s interest above else. Stalin wasn´t really a supporter of nether cultural nor ecomic autonomy, Soviet way was the only way.



Stalin and Hitler defined these terms in way that supported their ends. They didn´t see much difference in class and race. It was only that Hitler emphasized the word "race" while Stalin emphasized "class". But the targets of the violence were pretty much the same Poles, Jews (yes Stalin also disliked Jews even if not that much as Hitler)