British aggression and anti-Polonism or Polonophobia .

ok, I am just stirring up sh*t here. But is an interesting topic to discuss though

Maxxx you've missed the boat completly. you wanted to pick on a definition of left and right politics. and your given it. You then try to use your opinions to apply Absolutist replies to it.

That cannot work. There are always aspects that are not followed strictly. Communism is an EXAMPLE of a 'far left' political spectrum and Facism is an example of a far right.

Now, i fully give you permission to build a time machine and lecture Hitler and stalin that they are not following political science.

The human individual and group of individuals have never followed any doctrine to the letter.
like the catholic church for an example of do as i say not as i do.

i am showing you what is the actual poltical science theory and you are arguing the practise that they did not follow.

again mate, youve missed the boat. im not disagreeing with you at all

well that explains missing the boat im relieved to know you DO realise the difference in science to theory and practise (otherwise id have said steer clear of chemistry )



tak

Daffy, let's leave aside what political science says about fascism and communism. Political scientists nowadays are often commie-fascists, or cowards.

Let's look at the actual theory and practice of both systems. On the basic level, both, among other things, advocate national selfisness, with one nation being the master nation (in Germany, Germans, in Russia, Russians, and in today US, the well-known small 'ethnic' group leading the alliance of 'minorities'). The economy is totally subservient to the state. The media are monopolized by the master nation.

The chief difference between the two systems seems to lie in the use of propaganda. Fascists openly speak of the superiority of one nation over others, praise brutal force, appeal to mass sentiments. Communists say all nations are equal, but in practice act as if one nation only were superior. But they also preach and practice brutal violence against their opponents and harp on the low sentiments of the masses.

Of course, the basic difference between fascism and communism is that from 1941 on, the fascists have been bitter adversaries of the communists, i.e. Russians, but untill 1941 both systems had coexisted in harmony. This mutual amicability reached its pinnacle in 1939, when Hitler and Stalin made, through their foreign ministers, Ribbentrop and Molotov, a non-aggression pact, which, in fact, was an aggression pact leveled at Poland and the so-called Baltic States.

Don't forget that the Russians considered communism as the highest stage of socialism, and Hitlerites regarded themselves as 'national socialists.'

By the way, when some time ago an Estonian or Latvian lady politician suggested that the EU should condemn nazism and communism as equally genocidal systems, there was an enraged reaction from the Jews in Germany. With rage they suggested that only nazism was bad, because it was bad to the Jews, and communism was good, because Stalin was good to the Jews and numerous Jews were communists. As a result, as far as I know, the EU has not condemned communism as a genocidal system, but has condemned nazism as such.

That is why today you can see on the streets of European cities young buttheads wearing T-shirts with 'CCCP,' sickle and hammer, and the child-killer psychopath Che Guevara's bireted conk.

Puzzler and his rabid racist diatribes are the ones who took a friendly forum and turned it into a white European clearinghouse. His ilk started all that garbage here daffy. As I recall reading, he had some choice words for you too. Why do you defend this cretin?

Max payne, how well you understand the nature of communism-fascism. You are Finnish, aren't you?

puzzler, i read your post with interest honestly. I just find too much emotion in order to keep the lines free from subjective opinion.

for we cannot argue that something is white or black rationally with our personal prejudices and perceptions.



i would disagree with this statement. in the first instance commies and facists are not in the same school of thought (though they both have extreme means of executing there ideals)

Second, you do not support you opinion with any means. which only makes it appear MORE opinion than anything (which is not a problem at all - but in order to convince others we need fact not opinion)

as to my opinion, I would disagree on a third point, asking, what political scientists do you know? (tongue in cheek)! all the ones i know (and by know i mean read) are very rational centeristic in nature.

Communism and fascism never got on. The anti aggression pact only worked because they agreed to divide land. Notice how that pact broke once that happened? that was only a means to an end and not an idealogical coming together.

yes you dont mind eurpean ,,but north and south african and asian yes

he did. but i did not retort to reply the same way

and being fair, puzzler has improved in his posts towards others.

its not about defending anyone - its just about trying to be fair.

i just try to be fair and patient.

These are generalities and superficialities. There are Communist parties all over the world which do not believe along these lines as stringent as it is portrayed on your list daffy.

Puzzler,
I need some clarification on the following, please:

-political scientisc are commies-facisits or cowards? What is your reasoning

- economy totaly subservient to the state
- who is the small ethninc group leadining the allience of "minorities in the USA?
- if the EU hasn't condemned the communist it doesn't develuate the negative characteristic of the cummunism system (BTW - there were and still are communist system which vary according to the country, as well the time in the history).

You forget he had choice words for the Carribean, South America which were Spanish colonies, espana.

well spotted. its not a comparasion of communistic parties though. merely left and right politics.
as was pointed out, the nazis called themselved 'national socialists' so parties are going to blur the spectrum, hence why linear spectrum became so obsolete. even the horseshoe! todays spectrum can barly fit! (see early posted link to an example)

Hm, the hate-spewing foul-mouthed type calling himself 'Jozio Drewniany' suggests that I am an owner of some 'racist diatribes' (by those 'racist diatribes' he seems to mean some human beings). He seems to believe that I and the latter have turned this forum into a 'white European clearinghouse.' He also calls me a 'cretin.' Of course, he doesn't give any evidence to back his claims. So another narrow-minded, intellectually impaired, hate-filled loonie, keen on shutting peoples' mouths, and hating anything 'White' and 'European'? I don't think that I like him and his anty-European, anty-White ilk. In spite of his Polish-sounding nick, what little 'group' he may be from, I fancy?

thats calling him names back puzzler. it only makes him call you names and back and forth it will go.

anti_white????????????? so everybody who not think like you is not white for you?
shut up racist

I always fancy where such folks as Jozio D... come from? From pathological incestuous relations, perhaps?

people can be tired of me been here but i m tired of your european white stuff

ESSpana, it's you who are racist and fascist. Your postings are proof of this. But I don't tell you: 'shut up;' because I think even loonies like you should be allowed to talk, so that truth can be seen even clearer.

since when Europe is white? Not that I care anyways.
There are many nationalites which aren't (since we have to concentrate on colour - again).

when ?

you think in spain and coming to your mind franco
italy mussolini
german hitler


come one you are old ,,,old thinking

Puzzler,
Jozio made some valid points.

You migh have read some stuff but most of the time you don't know what you are talking about

yes and he been a gentelman

puzzler is a racist

ESSpana, it's you who are racist Europophobe and rabid commie-fascist. If you hate europe so, why are sitting there? You and 'Jozio' deserve each other. Both hateful racists and liars.

Puzzler, can you answer my post?

i m european why i m going to be europophobe
i dont hate europe i live there and i m from there
racist???? just with people like you
fascist ...no please like freedom

espania,
if you know that you are not a racist, than you are NOT.

Agreed, there are commonalities that do stand out among the left and right factions.


Your argument is ridiculous and poor. Please show your rational side and cite some virtues from Africa, Asia and Central/South America. If you can't then you are a rabid racist.

White European civilization made many contributions to science, mathematics and many other fields. Newton, DaVinci, Galileo, Pastuer, Bonn and others are just a few. Now Puzzler, show all how level-headed you are and cite some outstanding examples from the non-white European nations. If you can't then we all know where you stand.

I meant non-white non-European nations namely those within Africa, Asia and South America.