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British aggression and anti-Polonism or Polonophobia .


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miranda
  Apr 8, 07, 12:19  #601

Jozio Drewniany - hmmm, that rings the bell

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espana
  Apr 8, 07, 12:44  #602

can anybody tell me the population non european in poland ?
how many european non from poland live there ?

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UKGUY
  Apr 8, 07, 13:24  #603

Its interesting, because alot of europeans are critical about how the UK had had unrestricted access for people from former commonwealth countries in the 1950's and 1960's (especially from India/Pakisan and Africa) However now we have the fourth richest economy in the world, which simply would not be the case if were not for mass migration. The government uses the results from this time and economic reports from the 1960's and 1970's to try and promote why the UK has opted for an "open door" policy to Eastern europe, whilst major countries like France have been far more reluctant. I would have to agree that our services depend on immigrant labour. Its not an easy question to answer, but I think Poland might follow in our foot steps??????

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espana
  Apr 8, 07, 13:25  #604

puzzler you will be living soon with non european (african ,asian and south and north american) in poland and also with european who will go to live in polan
.the countrys from 1973 to 2004 been doing this .....
now the countrys from 2004 will have to do that in the future too
so be ready and if you don t like that i m sorry but you cant do nothing about that

integration or die

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daffy
  Apr 8, 07, 13:33  #605

Quoting: UKGUY

Its interesting, because alot of europeans are critical about how the UK had had unrestricted access for people from former commonwealth countries in the 1950's and 1960's (especially from India/Pakisan and Africa) However now we have the fourth richest economy in the world, which simply would not be the case if were not for mass migration. The government uses the results from this time and economic reports from the 1960's and 1970's to try and promote why the UK has opted for an "open door" policy to Eastern europe, whilst major countries like France have been far more reluctant. I would have to agree that our services depend on immigrant labour. Its not an easy question to answer, but I think Poland might follow in our foot steps??????



yes, ive said the same. examples in history show influxes of people from the poorer areas to areas of economic success, from rome to the us and the uk. now ireland. and it will happen to poland too.

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UKGUY
  Apr 8, 07, 13:47  #606

Does anyone know of reliable and reasonable accomodation in Warsaw? can you advise of a reliable web-site URL or other contact there? I might think about say a hostel or reasonable hotel for 5 days. Also in good distance from the airport. Thanks

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espana
  Apr 8, 07, 13:59  #607

Quoting: UKGUY
Does anyone know of reliable and reasonable accomodation in Warsaw? can you advise of a reliable web-site URL or other contact there? I might think about say a hostel or reasonable hotel for 5 days. Also in good distance from the airport. Thanks


people complain about the british sometimes but i wish to be the same tolerant than they are. they are a exemple for all the word

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UKGUY
  Apr 8, 07, 14:10  #608

Quoting: espana
people complain about the british sometimes but i wish to be the same tolerant than they are. they are a exemple for all the word


Thanks Espana, I very much appreciate people saying that, becuase at the moment we don't get many comments like that.

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espana
  Apr 8, 07, 14:32  #609

Quoting: UKGUY
we don't get many comments like that.

i know that you dont know how many time in real live people slag them off in front of me just becouse they know i m foreign .......but them when i said to this people stop to do that cos i think is wrong and my wife is english you should be see the faces
is very funny sometimes

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JozioDrewniany [Guest]
  Apr 8, 07, 14:38  #610

I also believe the Brits are extremely tolerant. They abolished slavery way before the Americans. The Americans had the with the writings of Locke, i.e. Common Sense yet they refused to abolish slavery. Today they are suffering the consequences of a black prison population incommensurate with the black population at large in the USA, obviously.

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UKGUY
  Apr 8, 07, 16:47  #611

Also I am glad that our government acknowledged the work achieved by the Polish enigma crackers during wwII. They were the only allied country to obtain a German enigma machine and cracked early codes. It wasn't until 1939 they gave the machine and some modified copies to the French and British. If the Polish hadn't managed to get hold of this machine then the codes may of been un-broken. Read this article:

users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigma.htm

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UKGUY
  Apr 8, 07, 16:52  #612

These people should be commended:

Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Rozicki

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daffy
  Apr 8, 07, 16:59  #613

fantastic link, thanks for sharing

but it goes to show, all involved should be praised indeed.

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UKGUY
  Apr 8, 07, 17:02  #614

Well done and be proud of your family that liberated europe from the evils of National Socialism.

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daffy
  Apr 8, 07, 17:05  #615

Quoting: UKGUY
Well done and be proud of your family that liberated europe from the evils of National Socialism.


yup, one and all that helped to do so!

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Peter
  Apr 8, 07, 18:35  #616

Quoting: UKGUY
Also I am glad that our government acknowledged the work achieved by the Polish enigma crackers during wwII. They were the only allied country to obtain a German enigma machine and cracked early codes. It wasn't until 1939 they gave the machine and some modified copies to the French and British. If the Polish hadn't managed to get hold of this machine then the codes may of been un-broken.


Recognition.............decades too late and after they took all credit for it too. Gee, thanks a lot.

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UKGUY
  Apr 9, 07, 01:39  #617

Recognition.............decades too late and after they took all credit for it too. Gee, thanks a lot.

If you read the entire story, its not true that Poland was not recognised for their efforts. But we have the same with history becuase alot of our sources especially during the cold war were written by western capitalists, thus making it biased. Well I read information from neutral countries not from Poland or England or France or America becuase they are bound to say they were the wants to thank. its obvious. If you research. poland cracked the orginal codes, but when they got harder, they decided to pass on their hardware and info to the west. In turn Alan Turing developed new cryptanalysis methods to crack new codes. Actually Alan Turing was a homesexual and after the war put in Jail. Later he committed suicide - thats the thanks he got, so your not the only ones Peter.

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Puzzler
  Apr 9, 07, 03:01  #618

Espana, hm, are you really Spanish? I somehow doubt it.

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Puzzler
  Apr 9, 07, 03:07  #619

Well, 'miranda' and 'drewniany,' any further (relatively) civilised conversation with you on my part depends on just one thing: that you apologize to me for your insults, and admit that you were silly while spewing them out. 'Drewniany' (in Polish: made of wood ), you aren't Polish-Polish, are you?

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Puzzler
  Apr 9, 07, 03:10  #620

Ukguy, so you are saying that Britain's good economy is the result of taking in the immigrants from the Third World?

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BubbaWoo
  Apr 9, 07, 03:17  #621

Quoting: Puzzler
you apologize to me for your insults, and admit that you were silly while spewing them out




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Puzzler
  Apr 9, 07, 03:20  #622

Espana, I hope I won't have to live in Poland, or elsewhere in Europe, in a mad mad European-phobic and White-phobic world you are so enthusiastic about, you racist and fascist.

And in spite of your death wish leveled at me, I'm not going to die either.

And since you wish me death, you bloodthirsty, racist and commie-fascist psycho, then I wish death to you and those like you.

We shall see whose wish will come true first.

Here my civilised conversation with espana ends for ever.

I won't speak to him directly, but I reserve the right to comment on his postings.


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Puzzler
  Apr 9, 07, 03:36  #623

Bubba, make sure you laugh last. Don't laugh yourself to death.

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BubbaWoo
  Apr 9, 07, 03:39  #624

you crack me up mate

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UKGUY
  Apr 9, 07, 03:47  #625

Quoting: Puzzler
Ukguy, so you are saying that Britain's good economy is the result of taking in the immigrants from the Third World?


well interesting after the war, Britain would have like to gain immigrants from eastern europe, but they were shut off from use obviously because of soviet control.

On another note, I want to make more Polish friends, becuase I live in a prodominantly polish area and they only friends from Eastern europe I have or (who seem to like me) are from Romania.

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UKGUY
  Apr 9, 07, 03:51  #626

Also the Romanians told me that Polish people generally don't like the English too much and simply come to Britian for the money. I don't like to believe this becuase my grandfather had good opinions of the POlish who came affer ww2 and also my parent have. My sisters best friend is also Polish, so really I think we owe more to Poland than Romania.

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Puzzler
  Apr 9, 07, 04:10  #627

Ukguy, Poles are, in fact, Anglophiles, and Britophiles. Those Romanians seem to play their little ethnic politics with you, by trying to ingratiate themselves into your favour at somebody (the Poles') expense. On a different note: a good economy isn't all. There are more important things, such as national identity. Don't you think?

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Puzzler
  Apr 9, 07, 04:15  #628

Boobba, any rational reasons for Puzzler's alleged funniness?

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BubbaWoo
  Apr 9, 07, 04:24  #629

see what i mean...?

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UKGUY
  Apr 9, 07, 04:24  #630

Quoting: Puzzler
On a different note: a good economy isn't all. There are more important things, such as national identity. Don't you think?


Yes absolutely, national identity is very important. However the UK generally follows in the footsteps of America, because it is very influenced by them. We know this from the close links they had during the "Cold War". I think that the Communists did have money in eastern bloc countries, but the problem [as far as my sources indicate??] say that the USSR extracted millions from their economies, by utilising the Warsaw pact and the puppet dictatorships within eastern european countries (such as Poland etc). This was of course to pay for huge arms and space ventures which they could ill afford.s Yes America could afford this but western europe under capitalist systems could not afford massive arms and space ventures; if they did we would have become bankrupt too!!!

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