British aggression and anti-Polonism or Polonophobia .

You are not Polish, You are a fraudsters!!!
Who are you trying to kid! If you were Polish you would want every British and German out of Poland.

Maxpayne, tell the Jewish folks that Stalin was bad. They actually praise him for the fact that he allowed them to have their own Soviet Jewish republic in Soviet Asia. They also bless him for his very important role in the creation of Israel. And for other things just as well. You didn't answer the question if you are Finnish. Are you, or not?

After treatment given by Hitler, maybe Stalin felt like blessing...for a while. Stalin supported Israel´s independence because he had hopes it would turn to communism. When it didn´t, SU started supporting Arabs.



Yes I am, sorry if I didn´t make it clearer elsewhere. But does it matter ?

Hello, Hullo, again. Well, I am Polish, really Polish, of the pre-commie type. We have survived and are OK. And it's WE who are going to dominate in Poland, not pseudo-Polish rubbish, the polaczki. Well, as I've said, the English are fine with me and with the great majority of Poles. And although I scribbled some angrily Germanophobic stuff, I actually don't, or rather wouldn't have anything them either, provided they treat us, Poles, like fellow human beings. My Germanophobic posting was, actually, my reply - in fact defense - against a viciously Polonophobic posting by some psycho calling himself 'a German.'Today I think he didn't necessarily be a real German, but, for instance, a non-German hate-mongering . A bit like you, Hullo. PS. I regret I scribbled all that stuff about goethe, Schiller and Thomas Mann. In fact, I highly value them. I just wanted to be hurtful, to hurt back.

Max, sure it still does matter what nationality we are. It doesn't change the fact we are fellow Europeans. I'll talk to you later about Stalin etc., because I've got to run now. All the best.

Sorry for some grammar mistakes in my last postings, I'm in a hurry now.

Szarlotka, but the huge majority of Poles coming to work in Britain AREN'T immigrants, only temporary guest workers. Besides, they come to work there legally, as fellow EU-ers. and if some decide to stay in Britain, is it bad? What would you say, Szarlotka? PS. So you're male. boy oh boy, and I took you for a lady once - your nick (it's geminine gender in Polish) misled me. sorry, man!

Must will not return to Poland

You misunderstood me. I am convinced that the vast majority of Poles in the UK are making a positive contribution and I welcome them here. I welcome anyone who is prepared to work and pay their way here. As for the 'taking jobs' from the Brits line of thinking, there is no difference between Poles and French and Germans or anyone else from the EU. It will expose the fundamental weaknesses of our education system whereby poorly educated Brits will suffer but that is life and may be the kick up the backside this country needs.

I would agree that alot of British people are lazy and won't do dirty jobs like factories. But my parents and myself recognie this importance, so I think alot of people do realise they work hard. Puzzler is right that they have a particularly good work ethic and don't generally come here to sponge like some people in the past. Credit where its due.

I disagree, if you think this will affect only poorly educated Brits in the long run, you're wrong, and that's all I will say about this subject because I tend to get a little excited when it concerns people who actually do want to work.

No it affects the poorly educated in the short term. In the longer term it affects everybody. In a global economy we all have to strive to learn new skills, work harder, be more adaptive. It's an increasingly hard world out there Arien. I thing we are in violent agreement

I think so too.

I can't cast an opinion about Polish people becuase I have never spoken to one in person (though I live in an all polish area) This is mostly lanaguage and the fact they have their own community. Therefore why should they need to talk English at all?

i wonder why you are on here then?

Because I am trying to break the trend. I don't think its good to live seperately and if you look at the first page, you see I asked for people to help. What is it you prefer: living in your own community or integrating with the indigenous English?
There I will know where I stand

Also all my friends are Romanian, so if more come from there, then I won't have friends from any other eastern-bloc country. To me that would be a shame.

Ukguy, I've never thought that the Brits are 'lazy.' They work differently, more at ease, than the Poles. Just a different style of work, but equally effectual. Besides, the Brits don't want to put too much effort in shootty jobs, and rightly so. As for the Poles, they have no choice but work extremely hard, even on the shootiest jobs they get in Britain. Otherwise they'd lose even those jobs and be left without resource. What I smiled at was the cleverness with which English workers on menial jobs oppose their employers. E.g. by being late an hour or more, or being 'sick' frequently. If the Poles were in their shoes, they perhaps would do the same. By the way, at least two of the English folks I had the pleasure to work with were without any doubt the best workers on the team. I'm more than happy to admit that. I think that the English should not repeat after their adversaries and talk into themselves that they are 'lazy.' Facts show that they are not so at the least.

Hullo, I presume that by 'must will not return to Poland' you mean: 'most will not,' etc.? If so, what proof do you have for that? As for me, I talked to scores of Polish guest workers while visiting Britain, and the vast majority of them told me they would go back to Poland right on the spot if they could earn as much there as in Britain. Some of them - but they were in absolute minority - said they'd stay. Talk to them yourself and if you're honest you'll have to admit that I'm telling the truth.

Ok thats fair enough.. im my experience Polish people in the UK do tend to stay in their own communities, but thats often because of language and cultural ties and because they dont neccessarily have English friends.. there may be some that dont like English people, but I think the majority would welcome making friends with locals (of both sexes). My partner lived here for 4 years before we met and didnt have a single English friend, only work colleagues, but it wasnt that he didnt want to, its just easier sometimes to stick with what you know.. especially if you dont know if you will be welcomed.

Ignore Hullo, he/she/it is a muppet and not worth wasting your time on.

its much more fun laughing at you and yours

Silly boy, Bubba doesn't have to pack a bag or go anywhere to annoy someone.....he need only log onto the Polish Forums......he obviously got to you.

Hm, Szarlotka (or Szarlotko) you state: 'As for the 'taking jobs' from the Brits line of thinking, there is no difference between Poles and French and Germans or anyone else from the EU. It will expose the fundamental weaknesses of our education system whereby poorly educated Brits will suffer...' As I understand it, you suggest that Poles, French, Germans, and anyone else from the EU have been taking jobs from the poorly educated Brits. Now I don't know about the other EU nationalities, but can you explain to me how allegedly the Poles take jobs from the poorly educated Brits (or any other Brits)? Can you give any credible data in this matter? And Arien states in a posting addressed to Szarlotka:'I disagree, if you think this will affect only poorly educated Brits in the long run, you're wrong...' As I understand it, Arien suggests that the alleged taking jobs from the poorly educated Brits by, among others, the Poles, will affect also richly educated Brits. As I understand, Szarlotka, you 'violently' agree with Arien's opinion. Can you both explain how the alleged taking jobs from poorly educated Brits by Poles will affect also the well educated Brits? But first, of course, I'd be grateful for your proving that the Poles take away jobs from the poorly educated Brits at all. Thanks.

And Ranj is having fun at Bubba's alleged annoying folks on this forum? Why? PS. Does Ranj assume that Hullo is Polish? If yes, then on what grounds?

Hmm Puzzler. You have set me many questions. I will try to expand upon my thinking.

The starting point for my argument is not about who will or will not take jobs from the British. rather, it is my concern that our young people have been betrayed by the gradual erosion of the quality of the education and training they receive. Other young people from abroad are better equipped to survive in the modern world. I do not think you could argue against this.

Secondly, the work ethic that our young people have leaves a lot to be desired. They simply do not want to work hard. For the wealthier of them they have not had to fight for anything in life and do not want to contemplate doing so. For the poorer children there is often a lack of a role model that teaches them to strive for improvement.

At this point I would have to state that not all of our young people can be put into this generalised stereotype. However, I would argue that sufficient of them do fit into this mould to mean that we have a major crisis whereby many of our young people are going to be virtually unemployable. Only today there is a forecast reported in the Daily Telegraph ( a Conservative but generally sound daily newspaper) that predicts that there will soon be 1 million young people virtually condemned to a life on social security benefits.

So, moving on. I am not saying that Poles or other nations are stealing British jobs at present. Yes there is anecdotal evidence of a relatively small number of cases where Polish or other A8 country workers have been retained and English people sacked. On the whole, however, I would say that Polish workers are filling jobs that the English are unwilling to do.

Taking this to the next stage, my contention is that in the future this will be extended to Polish workers taking jobs that the Brits are UNABLE to do as well. Just as there are French investment bankers in the city, or German lawers in our big law firms there will soon be Polish people in these jobs. Their attitiude, work ethic and education makes this a certainty.

So Puzzler, I am not saying that Poles have taken jobs yet. I am saying they will in the future. The main part of my post was in the last line. I want my country to stop betraying our young people and I want us to recognise that the world is getting harder for them and that we must change their attitudes.

Sorry if this post is a bit rushed and maybe not too welll structured. I hope it gets my points across slightly better.

old man i fell sorry for you
jestes idiota........jestes pijamy !!!!!!!!

Popierdolony is more like it.



First of all, I mentioned foreign personel, which doesn't necessarily has to mean Polish. Let's not target anyone in particular shall we? Second, I don't mind foreigners who want to work, but I do mind when it's cheaper for companies to hire them due to a benificial tax regulation.

You can use your big words, but really you aren't that much brighter than others just because it happens to be you've succesfully mastered a certain language. So I'd appreciate it very much if you would use a less belittling tone.

I'm not implying this is so, but I've noticed enough comments to know that some richly educated people tend to think they are above the rest? I'm sorry if your world seems so
much better, because your working environment will probably be next due to demands to be highly competitive on a more international scale.

But alright, you've asked me for an answer. Some large Beer companies have completly been moved to the Czech Republic. Including staff. And there is the matter of certain Banks and Insurance Offices which already have employed foreign personel, including Polish.

You may think it will not happen in your country, but I think it would be a little naive to assume that much when the trend has already been set.

But have a good day all the same.

Puzzler, I have a Question.

your speaking of two different Polish groups? And why on earth do you say the
Whole world hates America? just curious as to why you think of generalizing.

I can tell you from facts, people who just came ( immigrants) love it here.

Heath care is better. _is that why ?

Work conditions are better -Is that why?

free to move from state to state._ is that why?

The People I encountered, all tell me they love it here, and say, I dont care for
govt, well join the crowd, its just funny how this keeps coming up. as you can
see, we have a president, who does his own thing, not for the people, wants to
veto bills stopping more deployment to Iraq. hmmmmmmmm.

so you still hate Americans? just because we live in a free country and can
go shopping at 2 am? go to a resturant in the next state and no guards with
gates telling us to stop, pull over and show a passport. hmmmmm

We are Freedom Fighting people, isnt that what poland is? Freedom fighters?
did we not join you and fight with you? and still will always fight!



you hate me Puzzler? Because I live in a country my Grandparents choose?
This is all I know is where I live. as people do in Poland, Holland, UK. etc.

I just think your anger and frustration is overwhelmed, I dont believe you like
the rest of the world are such hateful people. if I am wrong correct me.

It would be much easier for me to get a Romanian girl or Ukranian girl, one becuase of religion and two, they are more materialistic than men. I found the last relationship I had with a Romanian girl was mutually very fulfilling. I got to buy property in Romania and at the same time I could look after her and support her financially in the UK; so she could go and study. I think becuase Poles are catholic their parents wouldn't approve of them marrying someone who is christian like me. So its partly to do with keeping the Polish tradtion, which is fair enough. My Romanian girlfriend told me it benefited her, becuase she could integrate with my friends and me with her friends and family, so I think it was really good and don't regret it at all Thats why I have big links with Bucharest now and why Romanians are embedding themselves into our town.

Actually the Romanian community is growing faster than the Polish Community becuase they are now EU. How do they get work permits - of course the know how!!!